Your predictions for the driver line-up, 2010

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As I said in that post, most of his accidents are fairly harmless knocks that dislodge a wheel at the most. Look at what happened to him at Austria 2002, if he always caused accidents like the one Heidfeld caused against him, then it would be a different story.
 
That's different. He can't be completely blamed for his engine going, and being Monaco, their aren't many places to go that are out of the way of other drivers.
 

Was this harmless?

None of your examples except the Monteiro one are his fault. And the Monteiro one is just a harmless case of being a little too hopeful into turn 1 - a very common incident in all of motorsports.
 
May I ask how? If you're going to say that he should have come in earlier when his engine started smoking, then I agree - however, he did not cause the engine to go at that precise second and he may well have come in on that lap for all we know.
I don't blame him for trying to go further, seeing as it was one of his best qualifying performances and race starts.
 
Swiss newspaper Blick is reporting Robert Kubica has also been invited to the McLaren Technology Centre. Are they inviting the whole grid?

The journalist in question also reports hat Brawn ad Button hve reached an agreement.
 
If you're going to say that he should have come in earlier when his engine started smoking, then I agree - however, he did not cause the engine to go at that precise second and he may well have come in on that lap for all we know.

The team knew about it from the first lap and they told Sato to come in. Sato ignored them and one of the drivers that crashed into that wall, can't remember which off the top of my head said he was an idiot for carrying on
 
The team knew about it from the first lap and they told Sato to come in. Sato ignored them and one of the drivers that crashed into that wall, can't remember which off the top of my head said he was an idiot for carrying on

Well Coulthard slowed down and Fisichella didn't saw him because of the cloud of smoke blinded him and he eventually crashed to the back of Coulthard and he ended up upside down next to the fence. I'd say Sato is one of the few most entertaining drivers on the grid and even in F1!! I agree with Ardius and PeterJB. Even if he or the team knew that the engine is going to blow, what can he do?? Plus, it got smoked is sector 2. The engine seems to look fine on the laps before the incident without smoke etc.

Take note that this is a street circuit with fences and spectators very close to the action. If it was Sepang or such circuit, this sort of accident would never happened.
 
It seems that Mercedes has bought out Brawn GP and is to be renamed Mercedes GP. This apparently makes it an almost a dead cert for Heidfeld to go to Brawn(Mercedes GP) and Button to join Hamilton at McLaren.

I am very excited about Button and Hamilton at Macca. We'll have to wait and see if that happens.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8362295.stm
Premature reporting. Autosport confirm no driver decisions have been made, and Mercedes aren't opposed to having just one German driver.

McLaren would be a mistake for Button.
 
I'd have to agree with that. Why go to a team that is moulded around Hamilton when you can be number one at Brawn Mercedes GP.
 
It seems that Mercedes has bought out Brawn GP and is to be renamed Mercedes GP. This apparently makes it an almost a dead cert for Heidfeld to go to Brawn(Mercedes GP) and Button to join Hamilton at McLaren.

I am very excited about Button and Hamilton at Macca. We'll have to wait and see if that happens.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8362295.stm

I seriously doubt that's going to happen...but who knows. Although if it does, I'm looking forward to seeing Button put in his place, while being beat up by Hamilton every race :lol:
 
I seriously doubt that's going to happen...but who knows. Although if it does, I'm looking forward to seeing Button put in his place, while being beat up by Hamilton every race :lol:

Yes, because Button is only the 2009 World Champion...:rolleyes:
 
Yes, because Button is only the 2009 World Champion...:rolleyes:

Hamilton will expose to the world that Button is only a second rate driver, who can only win a WDC when he is given a car far superior to the current field of top 5 drivers (IMO- Hamilton, Alonso, Raikkonen, Massa, Vettel). If he does go to Mclaren...you better bet I'll put money on that to.
 
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So the driver of a car which was the best car on the grid for exactly 6 races and beat one driver who had the same car as him and two drivers that had the best car on the track for the remaining 11 races is second rate?
 
Button has a right to ask for more money though if the figures we are getting are correct. Its not like the car drove itself to the championship and its not like Brawn/Mercedes have no money next season...
And the comparative figure to say Raikkonen or Alonso's salaries is just peanuts. Its actually unbelievable that the team cannot agree to such a pitiful rise (comparatively).

However, although I agree he shouldn't choose McLaren, he wouldn't really be making the same mistake Damon Hill did. At the very least if he goes to McLaren he can either get the crap beat out of him by Lewis and get paid a better salary or beat Lewis and get paid a better salary while almost certainly having a competitive car. Either way he isn't going to be out of a drive in 2011 is he?
He would surely be better than Kovalainen.

I like the fact he would be number 1 at McLaren briefly too :P
Oh, and I don't want Lewis to have Red 5, it would just be wrong.
 
Got to remember that next year it's not as if one driver can get preferential treatment in terms of fuel level like we've had in recent years anyway, they'll all be low fuel in qualy and be fuelled to the brim for the race.
 
Hamilton will expose to the world that Button is only a second rate driver, who can only win a WDC when he is given a car far superior to the current field of top 5 drivers (IMO- Hamilton, Alonso, Raikkonen, Massa, Vettel).
Arguably, you can say the same of all the drivers. For people who can supposedly win in any car, Hamilton, Alonso, Raikkonen and Massa didn't do a hell of a lot of winning in this year's versions.
 
While I don't rate Button as high as the people you mentioned (and it's a thinner margin than most people believe), I do agree that a winner is only as good as the sum of all parts - driver, car, team, etc.
 
I'm just praying Jenson doesn't sell his soul and go to McLaren. They wouldn't be showing any interest in him if he wasn't champion; they only want him for his number. McLaren don't deserve to carry the one and the two next season.
 
While I don't rate Button as high as the people you mentioned (and it's a thinner margin than most people believe), I do agree that a winner is only as good as the sum of all parts - driver, car, team, etc.

+1 Ditto 👍
 
They wouldn't anyway. Brawn will be, Jenson or no Jenson.
As World Champion, Button carries the rights to the number one with him wherever he goes. If he leaves Brawn/Mercedes, they'll likely run the three and four or be demoted to twenty-six and twenty-seven if they're declared as a new team.
 
So the driver of a car which was the best car on the grid for exactly 6 races and beat one driver who had the same car as him and two drivers that had the best car on the track for the remaining 11 races is second rate?

Well I guess in your book if you beat your team mate you're therefore considered first rate :bowdown: And RBR really had the best car for ALL of the remaining 11 races? Good job stretching things to your liking.

Also, once RBR came on and Mclaren caught up, Jenson showed just how 2nd rate he was. Yeah his race performances were solid in a car that was a very strong "race" car to begin with...but pretty much all of his qualifying performance in the latter half of the season were lack luster to abysmal. Someone like Alonso would never consistently under perform as badly as Jenson did in a car that was STILL that good.

While I don't rate Button as high as the people you mentioned (and it's a thinner margin than most people believe), I do agree that a winner is only as good as the sum of all parts - driver, car, team, etc.

I agree....the margin between them isn't as large as one might think. And let me say that this doesn't discredit his WDC, as of course it is a team effort in this sport which I clearly realize. But that doesn't changes my opinion that JB is not quite on their level.

I think the biggest difference between him and the drivers I mentioned is that they are much more adaptable than he is...especially in qualifying where you have a limited amount of time to dial in your set-up and you sometimes just have to drive around a characteristic you might not like...which IMO is JB's biggest downfall. Even the great Ross Brawn wasn't always able to get things perfectly dialed in for picky Mr. Button. IMO, his ultimate pace when the set-up is perfectly dialed in to his liking is probably within a tenth or two (at the most) of the absolute fastest guys on the grid (on most circuits)...which is still very good, considering the worst drivers on the grid are probably ~ .5 behind.

Arguably, you can say the same of all the drivers. For people who can supposedly win in any car, Hamilton, Alonso, Raikkonen and Massa didn't do a hell of a lot of winning in this year's versions.

Who said they can win in ANY car? :rolleyes: Hamilton and Raikkonen were able to win and do quite well this season in cars that weren't always the number 1 car on the grid in that given race. When Brawn wasn't the CLEAR number 1 car in a given race, Button had a hell of a time claiming a podium...let alone a win! And to include Massa and Alonso in your statement is just lame...

As we all know Massa had his injury before he got to the Grand Prix's where the car would have been in contention to win. Alonso only had a shot at a win at Hungary where he had the wheel fairing fall off as well as a fuel pump problem during the race. His car was never a number 1 car on the grid in ANY race (and we saw how uncompetitive the R29 was toward the end of the year)...his incredible driving performance was what put him up there at Hungary, as well as his impressive performances in the last few races of 2008. I never saw any such brilliance from Button last year....and no, his first 6 races DON'T count in my book 👎 That was simply brilliance from Ross Brawn himself and all of the engineers and designers behind the BGP-001 👍
 
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I'm just praying Jenson doesn't sell his soul and go to McLaren. They wouldn't be showing any interest in him if he wasn't champion; they only want him for his number. McLaren don't deserve to carry the one and the two next season.

I'll have to disagree. That they wouldn't care if he wasn't champion? You'd be hard pressed to find any team caring either if he was still lurking the backfield like his Honda days. Funny you should say that because McLaren seem to be the only ones besides MBGP who deem him worthy of a drive (even after becoming a champion).

You seem to contradict yourself saying that Mclaren only want the number he carries. So it's not because he's a good driver, but only about the #1 sticker? I'd like to see how you came to that conclusion...

On a slight tangent, I think numbers should be strictly assigned based on the drivers' position (i.e., the teammate of the champion shouldn't auto inherit #2; if he finished 12th he should get #12 on his next drive.
 
On a slight tangent, I think numbers should be strictly assigned based on the drivers' position (i.e., the teammate of the champion shouldn't auto inherit #2; if he finished 12th he should get #12 on his next drive.
Yeah, I could see that working. A lot of people seem to think that because there was no 18 and 19 this year following Honda's withdrawal, there will be no 9 and 10 because Toyota backed out and no 11 or 12 if Renault go the same way. Pit allocation would have to be assigned based on team finishing positons, though.
 
Well I guess in your book if you beat your team mate you're therefore considered first rate :bowdown: And RBR really had the best car for ALL of the remaining 11 races? Good job stretching things to your liking.

Also, once RBR came on and Mclaren caught up, Jenson showed just how 2nd rate he was. Yeah his race performances were solid in a car that was a very strong "race" car to begin with...but pretty much all of his qualifying performance in the latter half of the season were lack luster to abysmal. Someone like Alonso would never consistently under perform as badly as Jenson did in a car that was STILL that good.

Brawn was the car to beat in the first 6 races. Red Bull was the car to beat for the last 11 races. Utilising your logic, if Button is 2nd rate then Barrichello must be 3rd rate and since Webber and Vettel had a better car for almost twice as long as Button then they must be 4th rate! Given that I'm of the opinion that Vettel is in the top three drivers on the grid, that just doesn't quite add up.
 
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