Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[SlipZtrEm]

That's easy. C5R dates to GT3.

Oh, I know. But that pack of muscle cars shot from the Standard video shows a bunch of cars with the same textures as they had in GT4. Meanwhile, that overhead shot of the gold Vette has noticeably finer texture resolution than the comparative GT4 shot. It's very odd to me.

Don't jinx it! There are still a few dozen premium models we don't know about, so if we are lucky the Premium cars we don't know about won't just be variations of other Premiums. Then we get a hundred or so new Premiums on launch day!

I feel like PD actually isn't resorting to their record-setting numbers padding for the Premiums. If they were, we wouldn't be seeing that Standard Camaro SS, really. I'm pretty confident the last Premiums that haven't been shown will actually be fairly unique from what we already have.

That classic 'vette does look noticeably better, PD must be cleaning up the textures. I'm just wondering about how they're going to handle the pop-up lights? It would look quite odd if they just 'appeared' out of thin air.

I have one really bad idea about that one: the message we'll get trying to take a Standard to a race with ToD progression: "Sorry, this car cannot be entered in this race".

The Premium Vette's pop-ups aren't really applicable to the Standard model since the car model themselves are designed completely differently; the Standard's model would have to be modified so those lights are now separate from the rest of the body, so they can be animated similar to some of the active wings in the game. I'm still more bothered by the fact Standard car lights don't actually project real light.

I strongly doubt we can modify tracks that are already in the game. Personally I feel the track editor will be basic compared to what some are expecting i.e no way you can create Spa. I feel the track editor will be more suited to the go karts in the game.

I'm still very, very sure we'll already have Spa made for us

Guessing that solves the mystery of the other 50 premium cars

Heh, I hope not, but post-release all those near-doubles should be easy for PD to switch over to Premiums either for DLC or GT6.

 

[Spagetti69]

Guessing that solves the mystery of the other 50 premium cars

And Kaz would have got away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids.

 

[gtracedriver]

Wow it will be great if standard cars have cockpit view Obviously I would want more polygon but it looks so sharp and crisp so I think it will be fine. I just want them to make as accurate and realistic as possible. There are so many racing games but for me GT is more like real life that's the best thing about it

 

[eSZee]

Wasn't it mentioned in the French article that you could share your tracks online? It wouldn't make sense for them to incorperate the online track sharing for just karting considering the actual cars will most likely be the heart of online racing. Just my opinion.

Back on topic - I just hope we can atleast have the option to race standards against premiums, as someone pointed out in the Toyota FT-86 video a standard car appears on track with it.

Seeing as we don't know whether most of the things in the article are true, it would be silly to defend one unconfirmed feature with another unconfirmed feature.

 

[JDMKING13]

Wow it will be great if standard cars have cockpit view Obviously I would want more polygon but it looks so sharp and crisp so I think it will be fine. I just want them to make as accurate and realistic as possible. There are so many racing games but for me GT is more like real life that's what I like the most.

Vehicles: over 1,000 distinguished 200 Premium (360 ° cockpit, visible damage total, dazzling) and 800 Standard (cockpit traditional marginal visible damage), all can be developed and customized as desired (tuning).
Time required for modeling a car from the PD team: on average 180 days

No doubt man I love cockpit view 👍 If this is true i will be very happy.

 

[Dravonic]

If the textures aren't improved, I will eat my own shoes. I really cant fathom them just dumping 800 cars (the MAJORITY) of the game into the game absolutely unchanged. But if they did, should I eat them with ranch or vinaigrette?

For what it's worth, there's reason to believe the dithering in the textures is gone. If true, it means PD did mess around with the textures, hopefully improving them, or they had non-dithered textures and decided to use them instead of the dithered ones.

Well, at least there's hope they will improve somewhat. I'm not a fan of dithering myself, not sure why they did it in GT4.

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

I like this picture better. 👍





If you want to call it that its cool with me.

Amazing,looks like it's from gt5p...seriously pd are gods... that's a standard car....? wow...

color me majorly impressed!

 

[JDMLOVER]

Taking 800 cars from an almost 5 year old game and just throwing in a next gen game shows no workmanship or professionalism. I really don't think that is the case.

If you consider the fact that there are next gen games with car models that still don't hold up to a 5 year old game like GT4, it shows that they wouldn't have to work hard on them to make a lot of us GT fans happy. The fact that Forza, after 4 games, still can't get the R32 Nissan Skyline right, shows that GT4 cars still look great. I really only want a decent accurate interior for every car. They don't need to be heavily detailed. Just good looking with at least the authentic steering wheel and logo or something like that. I don't care about heavy stitching and glare from the sun.

In my honest opinion, there ought to be much much more than 200+ premium cars seriously. Maybe GT5 is really just a basis for GT6.

 

[JDMKING13]

Amazing,looks like it's from gt5p...seriously pd are gods... that's a standard car....? wow...

color me majorly impressed!

No doubt man I'm really eager to see more standard cars, hope we see some at GC. 👍

 

[Strittan]

Amazing,looks like it's from gt5p...seriously pd are gods... that's a standard car....? wow...

color me majorly impressed!

I seriously can not believe this...

Glad so many seem to like them though. I have eyes though, and I think the Prologue cars looks at least 10 times better.

 

[JDMKING13]

Lets compare






Both look great. GT5P looks better though IMO

 

[Matti_Dude]

Let's be honest guys, when your racing the only difference between the two models that you would notice is the damage. Sure one car might have darker tinted windows, but when your racing you won't be paying too much attention to that. Standard cars will still look far better than the cars from any other console game.

 

[Strittan]

Lets compare

Both look great.

In your opinion perhaps, and that's good for you. In my opinion however, the standard cars look decent, and the premium cars look incredible.

No matter how hard you try standard cars will be last gen in my opinion.

Let's be honest guys, when your racing the only difference between the two models that you would notice is the damage. Sure one car might have darker tinted windows, but when your racing you won't be paying too much attention to that. Standard cars will still look far better than the cars from any other console game.

Erm.. I'm only using the cockpit view, so yes, if I'd race a standard car I would pay attention to it, as the standard cars don't have cockpit view.

What I think we should do, is quit this pointless argumentations about whose opinions are right or wrong.

 

[Lucas]

Lets compare






Both look great.

The GT-R looks incredibly real, though.

And I really doubt that Camaro SS at Seattle picture that has been posted recently is edited. Doesn't look edited to me, frankly. However, I have been wrong before.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

What I think we should do, is quit this pointless argumentations about whose opinions are right or wrong.

Might as well. Some of us are trying to talk the technical specifics of why we consider the Standards the way we do, but for every post about the actual hard evidence related to that, there's "counter-points" consisting of the equivalent of "lol they look great to me! ".

There are too many people here who don't understand the difference between models, textures, and the lighting engine, or worse, those that think they do. Plus we have people coming in every day or so posting some "new discovery" and essentially hitting the reset button on the topic.

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I don't know how I feel about this gold Vette showing improved textures. On one hand, cool, the Standard models might not be complete and utter carry-overs afterall. On the other hand; the Standards are a dead tech as far as I'm concerned, so time being spent on them could be better spent towards bringing everything up to one equal level of quality (read: more work on Premiums). It doesn't entirely fit the situation, and I'm sure I'll hear from the pro-Standard people, but "you can't polish a turd". No matter how fine the textures will be on the Standards, they're still based on a polygon model that can't offer the features Kaz has promised with the Premiums.

 

[JDMKING13]

In your opinion perhaps, and that's good for you. In my opinion however, the standard cars look decent, and the premium cars look incredible.

No matter how hard you try standard cars will be last gen in my opinion.


Erm.. I'm only using the cockpit view, so yes, if I'd race a standard car I would pay attention to it, as the standard cars don't have cockpit view.

What I think we should do, is quit this pointless argumentations about whose opinions are right or wrong.

Then why jump in the conversation I was talking to torq? We both had our opinion about the standard cars looking good. Then you come talking about your eyes work implying we are blind or something saying GT5P looks 10 times (which is cool in your opinion) better so i put up a picture so we can compare and contrast. Strittan you are the only one talking about right and wrong. If you feel this argument(which is only an argument because you are making it) is pointless why are you replying to post that are not even aim at you?

 

[Strittan]

Might as well. Some of us are trying to talk the technical specifics of why we consider the Standards the way we do, but for every post about the actual hard evidence related to that, there's "counter-points" consisting of the equivalent of "lol they look great to me! ".

There are too many people here who don't understand the difference between models, textures, and the lighting engine, or worse, those that think they do. Plus we have people coming in every day or so posting some "new discovery" and essentially hitting the reset button on the topic.

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+1

Then why jump in the conversation I was talking to torq? We both had our opinion about the standard cars looking good. Then you come talking about your eyes work implying we are blind or something saying GT5P looks 10 times (which is cool in your opinion) better so i put up a picture so we can compare and contrast. Strittan you are the only one talking about right and wrong. If you feel this argument(which is only an argument because you are making it) is pointless why are you replying to post that are not even aim at you?

Oh dear... whatever...

Anyway, you are the one who speaks as if everything you say are facts. "The standard cars look great" and so on... They look better than in GT4, yes, but that doesn't mean everyone think they look great. By the way, do you know why they look better than in GT4? I'm starting to think you don't.

EDIT: By the way, edited or not, I personally think the GT4 Camaro SS at Seattle look better than the GT5 standard Camaro SS in the comparison you made a couple of pages back, but that's me.

 

[Zonda_Guy]

Lets compare

I thought that was a real GT-R for a second.

 

[JDMKING13]

+1


Oh dear... Ok, everything is my fault, fine...

However, you are the one who speaks as if everything you say are facts. "The standard cars look great" and so on... They look better than in GT4, yes, but that doesn't mean everyone think they look great. By the way, do you know why they look better than in GT4? I'm starting to think you don't.

Ok Strittian thats why if you read my post I use 3 letters IMO for folks like you saying what i say is a fact. Strittan I Dont care why they look better If you want to dissect the car models thats cool go ahead, The standard look up to par with anyracing game I have played, and all I care about is enjoying the game which i will do. I have never came at you wrong on your opinion I dont get your problem.

IMO the standards still look better in GT5, You can compare a Edit GT4 picture to the standard cars, and the standards still look better.

Bigger images VVV

 

[Lucas]

Ok Strittian thats why if you read my post I use 3 letters IMO for folks like you saying what i say is a fact.

The problem is, if you have already said your opinion, why keep posting pics? What good does it do?

It seems to me like you are trying to prove other people's opinions wrong.



In my opinion.

 

[JDMKING13]

The problem is, if you have already said your opinion, why keep posting pics? What good does it do?

It seems to me like you are trying to prove other people's opinions wrong.



In my opinion.

Wow... Lucus This is a forum I am talking to other members who argee that standard cars look good we can put up pictures to talk about our likes. Whats the problem. Please show me where im trying to make other feel wrong? Like i said i was never talking to Strattan He came in throwing in his little insults because a member and i feel the standard look good. If he never said anything this Convo would not be going on. Again please show me where im trying to prove others wrong

I was asking another member why they feel Forza is new gen even though they have models from the original Xbox because that was the argument considered the standard cars, because they are ports from GT4, they are automatically last gen. The question was for him. Honestly Dave i don't care if you cant notice the difference playing FM3 I have the game and all the cars are not the same quality. Some have the same errors from the 1st game any player who plays Forza3 will tell you that. Like i said i don't considered those cars last gen and i don't for the Standards. Thats it, Your not going to change my mind Im not going to change yours.:

Read the bold Lucus I already know Im not going to change any ones opinion i dont know what your talking about.


@ Dave SZ

IMO the standards still look better in GT5,

That's not really an opinion, it's more of a fact.

This is why I said IMO. Some feel GT4 looks better than GT5 I respect everyone opinion.

EDIT: By the way, edited or not, I personally think the GT4 Camaro SS at Seattle look better than the GT5 standard Camaro SS in the comparison you made a couple of pages back, but that's me.

 

[analog]

People often confuse ( relative ) objectivity and subjectivity when comparing all these pictures I guess and it isn't clear what they try to achieve in this debate at all.

Those Corvette pictures ( the Standard and GT4 ones ) can be objectively seens as a graphical improvement I suppose, both being the same car in the same colour and I think most would agree the Standard one looks more detailed, has better textures and appears crisp and clean compared to the GT4 picture ( ofcourse this also perhaps isn't truly objective but an observational judgement ).

That's not to say it looks better ( although most people would say it definitely looks better including me ) as some ( visually impaired no doubt ) may prefer old-gen graphics over new-gen ones for whatever reason.
Whether I think a certain picture looks good is purely subjective, nothing worth debating about as I don't feel the need to change my taste because someone else has a different one.

What we need to establish when comparing is perhaps whether Standard is an improvement over GT4 cars due to a set of criteria which can be objectively judged, not simply stating it looks good or good enough unless you want to persuade people into a shared consensus which isn't going to happen on any forum but good luck trying this pointless pursuit.

 

[Strittan]

Wow... Lucus This is a forum I am talking to other members who argee that standard cars look good we can put up pictures to talk about our likes. Whats the problem. Please show me where im trying to make other feel wrong? Like i said i was never talking to Strattan He came in throwing in his little insults because a member and i feel the standard look good. If he never said anything this Convo would not be going on.

Excuse me? This is all a result of the post I made a few hours ago!? You're funny.

I haven't posted in this thread for days until earlier today, so stop blaming everything on me, will ya? I see you posting on almost every page though...

What we need to establish when comparing is perhaps whether Standard is an improvement over GT4 cars due to a set of criteria which can be objectively judged, not simply stating it looks good or good enough unless you want to persuade people into a shared consensus which isn't going to happen on any forum but good luck trying this pointless pursuit.

It is an improvement over GT4, everyone knows that, but they're not more detailed than in GT4, and it seems not everyone wants to realize this.

 

[sp0rk]

Regarding cockpit view in standard cars, this doesn't sound good.

 

[JDMKING13]

Excuse me? This is all a result of the post I made a few hours ago!?

I haven't posted in this thread for days until earlier today, so stop blaming everything on me, will ya? I see you posting on almost every page though...

WOW... blaming what Strittan why wont you go back and read the thread. I posted something to Torque on post 3639 then you posted your insult on 3640 from that point I was telling Lucus If you didn't come in insulting people he would not be talking to me right now which is 100% true. The way I see It Lucus was defending you. It makes me laugh when some members agree on something than another person feels like they need to insult folks because they don't agree on a topic which they where not even being talked to in the 1st place. Now Im blaming you whatever man.

It is an improvement over GT4, everyone knows that, but they're not more detailed than in GT4, and it seems not everyone wants to realize this.

Since i don't know anything Strittan would you be kind to explain this further, I understand What slip was talking about when he classifies old gen models because they are used form their old platform, (This is the case for FM3 and GT5) but I would love to hear about the detail situation.

 

[Strittan]

WOW... blaming what Strittan why wont you go back and read the thread. I posted something to Torque on post 3639 then you posted your insult on 3640 from that point I was telling Lucus If you didn't come in insulting people he would not be talking to me right now which is 100% true. The way I see It Lucus was defending you. It makes me laugh when some members agree on something than another person feels like they need to insult folks because they don't agree on a topic which they where not even being talked to in the 1st place. Now Im blaming you whatever man.

I was insulting? When? And why is Lucas not allowed to defend me, if that was the case? Is it only you that people are allowed to defend?

Now this thread is sliding off topic for again, the 145th time.

Since i don't know anything Strittan would you be kind to explain this further, I understand What slip was talking about when he classifies old gen models because they are used form their old platform, (This is the case for FM3 and GT5) but I would love to hear about the detail situation.

You really don't know? Well, I'm not gonna say I'm 100% sure because then you'll bash me about that as well, but it certainly appears the standard cars in GT5 are direct ports from GT4, which means they're the same models, which means they're not the least bit more detailed than the cars in GT4. The only reasons the standard GT5 cars look better is because they use GT5 reflections and the game is running in HD. Again, that's what I think.

 

[analog]

It is an improvement over GT4, everyone knows that, but they're not more detailed than in GT4, and it seems not everyone wants to realize this.

By highlighting a selected piece of text it appears out of context to the rest of that sentence, I wasn't asking whether they are an improvement ( as we all know they probably will be ) but that it should be argued by a set of criteria, not merely stating they look good in your opinion.

 

[Strittan]

By highlighting a selected piece of text it appears out of context to the rest of that sentence, I wasn't asking whether they are an improvement ( as we all know they probably will be ) but that it should be argued by a set of criteria, not merely stating they look good in your opinion.

Of course, and I agree. I was just pointing it out.

 

[G.T.Ace]

The Camaros in the pictures look exactly the same, I don't see any difference except for the lighting (and yes, I know why ). Of course the overall picture quality is better than GT4, the cars are the same though.

 

[JDMKING13]

I was insulting? When? And why is Lucas not allowed to defend me, if that was the case? Is it only you thet people are allowed to defend?

Now this thread is sliding off topic for again, the 145th time.

Please tell me when I said Lucus cant defend you Strittan, Im pretty sure I said if you didint throw your little insult jab at me and torque, me and Lucus conversation would have never existed. He was defending you which he is 100% entitled to but again he only came about because of me and you.

I seriously can not believe this...

Glad so many seem to like them though. I have eyes though, and I think the Prologue cars looks at least 10 times better.

BTW I have eyes also, beauty is in the eye of the beholder EX Slip thinks the Forza3 replay look good and better than the Standard replay, I think the Forza3 replay look ok, and the Standard video look better. We have our different reason, but i didint tell him his eyes dont work. He like what he like I like what I like.

You really don't know? Well, I'm not gonna say I'm 100% sure because then you'll bash me about that as well, but it certainly appears the standard cars in GT5 are direct ports from GT4, which means they're the same models, which means they're not the least bit more detailed than the cars in GT4. The only reasons the standard GT5 cars look better is because they use GT5 reflections and the game is running in HD. Again, that's what I think.

Thats cool that you think that however with this

+1 By the way, do you know why they look better than in GT4? I'm starting to think you don't.

I thought you would know 100% sure