Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[SlipZtrEm]

"Sony spends $80 million on amateur eugenics to develop perfect modelers. GT6 to be developed in two weeks."

You can talk about the Models Slip Im talking about the whole picture. If you think that replay looks better than the standard replay thats cool I respect your opinion. Not me like I said the cars look dark and plastic. I will give you credit on teaching me about the model situation with the standard cars, however with GT lighting system and accurate car modeling It help the cars appearance a whole lot. The only time FM3 looks really good is when a good photographer takes pictures in Photo mode and they can play with the lighting. During races and replay.. Hopefully we get some action of standard cars at GC.

...So we agree then? Finally!

My point has always been specifically about the models. As for that replay... sometimes it looked very nice to me, other times, not so much. If I could get past the widened 'Ring, maybe I'd like it more. In all seriousness, I'm glad you at least see what my point has been. See my other post last night about how I'm really not bothered by the overall look of an image with Standards. Though I imagine it will be pretty obvious if we're allowed to take 18mp images of them. You know me, I'll still be driving them, and probably resort to pictures once I've exhausted myself on what's sure to be a long Premium binge.

Not if one is trying to make an argument dealing with Standard vs Premium.

EX. The premium cars in GT5 are considered new gen with games such as Forza3 and NFS, the Standards are old Gen

I don't agree with that statement, so I could compare a standard car with any of those games to validate my point valid It still deals with standard vs premium

Dude! I thought we just agreed! So which is it? You recognize that the models themselves aren't up to the competition, or not (but that the whole picture does indeed still look pretty good)? This post seems to say otherwise.

 

[twisteddeeds]

Reading the post by Nero above yours, apparently not.

Edit: I'm going to run off for something festive, either writing, paint shopping or doing some racing. I'd sure appreciate it if you guys would play nice. If this thing gets locked while I'm gone, I am going to report the troublemakers to one level below God Himself.

lol, Fair play, although I think you might be suprised when you come back (heres hoping anyhow...)

 

[eSZee]

Not if one is trying to make an argument dealing with Standard vs Premium.

EX. The premium cars in GT5 are considered new gen with games such as Forza3 and NFS, the Standards are old Gen

I don't agree with that statement, so I could compare a standard car with any of those games to validate my point valid It still deals with standard vs premium

You don't agree with factual data? Standard cars are based on GT4 photo mode models, you could even argue they are the same. Last I checked GT4 was a PS2 game, a previous gen console. Having standard models proves nothing about them being comparable to new gen models, it just shows that current gen, forza3, on track models, is just not a big leap from the ps2 days, and that can also be argued.
You also can't compare GT5 to FM3 cause one game obviously had a lot more time to dedicate to modeling and details. If both FM3 and GT5 had the exact same features and exact same development cycle, do you think the difference would as noticeable as it is now?

 

[RedSuinit]

Considering the amusement it seems to bring you, you were waiting for me to make a mistake apparantly as I typed my last post before you're post was posted.
I'm more than willing to admit any mistake I might have made as I was under the assumption or interpreted the warnings as I made clear.
But thanks for the all knowing wisdom displayed, a simple correction might have sufficed though as I still don't feel the need to put foot in mouth.

I apologize. I was just making a joke and didn't intend to offend anyone.

 

[analog]

I apologize. I was just making a joke and didn't intend to offend anyone.

I too apologize for misunderstanding the joke and the reaction it prompted.

 

[JDMKING13]

...So we agree then? Finally!

My point has always been specifically about the models. As for that replay... sometimes it looked very nice to me, other times, not so much. If I could get past the widened 'Ring, maybe I'd like it more. In all seriousness, I'm glad you at least see what my point has been. See my other post last night about how I'm really not bothered by the overall look of an image with Standards. Though I imagine it will be pretty obvious if we're allowed to take 18mp images of them. You know me, I'll still be driving them, and probably resort to pictures once I've exhausted myself on what's sure to be a long Premium binge.



Dude! I thought we just agreed! So which is it? You recognize that the models themselves aren't up to the competition, or not (but that the whole picture does indeed still look pretty good)? This post seems to say otherwise.

I agree with you on the models Slip, but the cars still look good. You like the Forza3 replay thats cool 👍 I still think the Standard car replay looks better. Its all about taste.

You don't agree with factual data? Standard cars are based on GT4 photo mode models, you could even argue they are the same. Last I checked GT4 was a PS2 game, a previous gen console. Having standard models proves nothing about them being comparable to new gen models, it just shows that current gen, forza3, on track models, is just not a big leap from the ps2 days, and that can also be argued.
You also can't compare GT5 to FM3 cause one game obviously had a lot more time to dedicate to modeling and details. If both FM3 and GT5 had the exact same features and exact same development cycle, do you think the difference would as noticeable as it is now?

Again your talking about models and Im talking about the appearance of the car with GT5 graphics. If models automatically place a car as old gen in your opinion thats cool but not me, I look at the whole cars appearance. Those Standard cars look way better than GT4. Your not going to change my mind im not going to change yours.

 

[Spagetti69]

There's so much love here tonight. Good.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I agree with you on the models Slip, but the cars still look good. You like the Forza3 replay thats cool 👍 I still think the Standard car replay looks better. Its all about taste.

Only certain parts of it! Okay, good though, you agree about the models...

Again your talking about models and Im talking about the appearance of the car with GT5 graphics. If models automatically place a car as old gen in your opinion thats cool but not me, I look at the whole cars appearance. Those Standard cars look way better than GT4. Your not going to change my mind im not going to change yours.

...then you agree they're last gen. They were created on the PS2, right? The models have been brought over to the PS3, right? Ignoring the fancy lighting (which does make them look better in-game, in-motion)... they're still those same models.

As far as I can tell, Dave and you are essentially saying the same thing. Much like you and I are, for the most part. C'mon, man!

 

[JDMKING13]

Only certain parts of it! Okay, good though, you agree about the models...




...then you agree they're last gen. They were created on the PS2, right? The models have been brought over to the PS3, right? Ignoring the fancy lighting (which does make them look better in-game, in-motion)... they're still those same models.

As far as I can tell, Dave and you are essentially saying the same thing. Much like you and I are, for the most part. C'mon, man!

So some cars in Forza3 have the same models since Forza 1 Which was on the original Xbox do you consider them old gen? I do not consider the standards to be last gen, yes their models might be from GT4 but the cars look just as good as any racing game I have played in the last year.

 

[RedSuinit]

I too apologize for misunderstanding the joke and the reaction it prompted.

👍 All good brotha, all good.

So it seems as if the group posting here have reached some sort of conjoining of arguments, resulting in the newest opinion:

Yes, the models are from the PS2 and the models are last-gen. However with the lighting and reflections engine in GT5, they look much better than they did during the last-gen game. (GT4)

Does that about sum things up for the last few pages?

 

[Forgetful]

👍 All good brotha, all good.

So it seems as if the group posting here have reached some sort of conjoining of arguments, resulting in the newest opinion:

Yes, the models are from the PS2 and the models are last-gen. However with the lighting and reflections engine in GT5, they look much better than they did during the last-gen game. (GT4)

Does that about sum things up for the last few pages?

lol... sounds like it's ripped right from the PD press release

 

[Spagetti69]

^^^ You need to get into middle east peace talks.

Ha ha.

 

[RedSuinit]

^^^ You need to get into middle east peace talks.

Ha ha.

No way man. I don't have a death wish.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

So some cars in Forza3 have the same models since Forza 1 Which was on the original Xbox do you consider them old gen? I do not consider the standards to be last gen, yes their models might be from GT4 but the cars look just as good as any racing game I have played in the last year.

If they were carried over utterly unaltered from FM1... yeah, I would. Why does it have to be about what T10 does, though? Last-gen is last-gen is last-gen.

👍 All good brotha, all good.

So it seems as if the group posting here have reached some sort of conjoining of arguments, resulting in the newest opinion:

Yes, the models are from the PS2 and the models are last-gen. However with the lighting and reflections engine in GT5, they look much better than they did during the last-gen game. (GT4)

Does that about sum things up for the last few pages?

I've had that opinion since the start!

The good thing: it only took 180 pages!

 

[X-Power]

A post in another thread just reminded me of something...

We may well have interiors in the convertible 'standard' cars because most of them were there in GT4, they'd only have to up the resolution of the textures and apply the animation's from a 'premium' car. This gives me faith that the MG TF will have an interior.

 

[kingcars]

Yes, the models are from the PS2 and the models are last-gen. However with the lighting and reflections engine in GT5, they look much better than they did during the last-gen game. (GT4)

Does that about sum things up for the last few pages?

Newest opinion? It sums up what I've been saying the whole time 👍

 

[JDMKING13]

If they were carried over utterly unaltered from FM1... yeah, I would. Why does it have to be about what T10 does, though? Last-gen is last-gen is last-gen.

So this is not the 1st premium, standard situation just kidding. Im not trying to be a mean don't take any thing in a bad way, but Slip you consider Forza3 cars as new gen. That the inkling I got from you reading this thread.

I hope they don't get any ideas from GT5 and think it's good to fill out the majority of your car roster with outdated models from a generation previous.

No, Standard model cars don't hold a candle to many, many other car racing games in the current gen.

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The Standard cars look good for what they are; last-generation models taking advantage of current gen hardware. But they are not the front-runners on detail even on just this one console. demo.

Aha, my bad, I should've been more clear. No, I guess you haven't been one of the handful to say the Standards actually look better than other current gens. In isolation, they look pretty decent... just as long as I don't have anything that was actually built for this current generation to compare them too .

So thats why i am bringing this up. Please I'm not trying to start nothing with you but like I said Foza3(which is still a fun game) has models from Forza1. This doesn't mean anything to me I still consider the cars good looking, however I don't get how FM3 is new gen(considered by some not only you) and GT5 standard cars are old gen, not to add GT5 lighting system is top notch which IMO gives the standard car a great look and advantage to look current gen. 👍

 

[Tornado]

Not all of the cars from Forza 3 are from Forza 1, and the ones that are have had some tweaking done to them.

 

[JDMKING13]

Not all of the cars from Forza 3 are from Forza 1, and the ones that are have had some tweaking done to them.

And standard cars had no tweaking? I know all cars are not from Forza1 and I dont care if they are, I still considered those cars current gen they look way better than Forza1. Im just confused on how It automatically makes a game have last gen cars when they use old models.

 

[Dravonic]

And standard cars had no tweaking?

From what we saw up until now, no. Unless you call rendering them with a different engine tweaking, but that's not what Toronado meant.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I was playing FM2 today and realized how much better FM3 is over that...because those look easily worse than GT4, hardware differences included.

Some cars on Fm3 look just brilliant. The 300SL looks absolutely beautiful in the game, but it is so inconsistent.

I just hope the standard cars look substantially better than FM2 models, and as good if not better than average models in FM3. I am confident they will...even if they have painted shut lines (irrelevant to me as long as they sell it well enough)

I'm really not concerned about the graphics, I think it will be the most stunning console game ever made in that regard. The sounds are something PP need to work on however.

 

[JDMKING13]

From what we saw up until now, no. Unless you call rendering them with a different engine tweaking, but that's not what Toronado meant.

Im Not trying to be a smart guy. Please explain my honda S2000 looks the same from forza1 the model is not accurate so as other cars.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I was busy playing a few rounds of Prologue online, conveniently, these two posts sum it up quite nicely:

Not all of the cars from Forza 3 are from Forza 1, and the ones that are have had some tweaking done to them.

From what we saw up until now, no. Unless you call rendering them with a different engine tweaking, but that's not what Toronado meant.

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Im Not trying to be a smart guy. Please explain my honda S2000 looks the same from forza1 the model is not accurate so as other cars.

I know about the S2000 inaccuracy in FM3. However, is it literally the exact same polygon model and textures?

I really do have to wonder who really does want to let this topic die, since you keep starting with "I'm not trying to start anything", then argue somebody's point, but subtly move your argument to a different point each time. It's been generally accepted by almost everybody that currently, we have the same polygon models and textures as we did in GT4. That may change. But as of right now, from the video PD has provided, it checks out. Nobody is questioning the new lighting improving the image. But that doesn't mean the models or textures are improved.

 

[X-Power]

I'm assuming it would be quite easy to sharpen up the textures on standard cars? If so, then that's probably what PD have done/are doing right now.

 

[JDMKING13]

I was busy playing a few rounds of Prologue online, conveniently, these two posts sum it up quite nicely:





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I know about the S2000 inaccuracy in FM3. However, is it literally the exact same polygon model and textures?

I really do have to wonder who really does want to let this topic die, since you keep starting with "I'm not trying to start anything", then argue somebody's point, but subtly move your argument to a different point each time. It's been generally accepted by almost everybody that currently, we have the same polygon models and textures as we did in GT4. That may change. But as of right now, from the video PD has provided, it checks out. Nobody is questioning the new lighting improving the image. But that doesn't mean the models or textures are improved.

Thanks for answering my question thats all I needed.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

If the textures aren't improved, I will eat my own shoes. I really cant fathom them just dumping 800 cars (the MAJORITY) of the game into the game absolutely unchanged. But if they did, should I eat them with ranch or vinaigrette?

 

[SlipZtrEm]

If the textures aren't improved, I will eat my own shoes. I really cant fathom them just dumping 800 cars (the MAJORITY) of the game into the game absolutely unchanged. But if they did, should I eat them with ranch or vinaigrette?

Hey, I'm hoping they do... but if they had some higher-res textures than what we saw in GT4, I would've hoped they'd have shown them in the Standard video. There's still that chance they set the bar comparatively low with that video so they could surprise with a big improvement later...

I'd say a vinaigrette of some sort, it should soften the shoe leather up a bit more

 

[eSZee]

This doesn't mean anything to me I still consider the cars good looking, however I don't get how FM3 is new gen(considered by some not only you) and GT5 standard cars are old gen, not to add GT5 lighting system is top notch which IMO gives the standard car a great look and advantage to look current gen. 👍

You're comparing 100% of all cars from FM3, that's what your last post says, to just the carry-overs from GT5, why? Either way, I don't remember playing FM3 and noticing a troubling difference between fm2/3 cars and the fm1 models. In GT5 however, from what we've seen, you don't have to look for the differences to spot them.
Making gt4 cars shinier doesn't change their true colors. If we bring physics into the equation then yes, all gt5 cars are current gen, unfortunately, this is just a visual discussion.

 

[JDMKING13]

If the textures aren't improved, I will eat my own shoes. I really cant fathom them just dumping 800 cars (the MAJORITY) of the game into the game absolutely unchanged. But if they did, should I eat them with ranch or vinaigrette?

The standard cars look way better than the GT4 cars. In the end I think most folks will be happy.

 

[eSZee]

It just looks like someone went overboard with carnauba wax and then smothered it in baby oil.