Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[dzidza]

Indeed, if you look closely you'll realize the interior is there, unlike the pitch black GTPSP interiors. It is awfully dark though. GT5P has some dark interiors where you can barely see the dials, like the Ferrari 512BB. Nothing like this though.

Still, I think it's quite far fetched to consider it a standard car interior, but it does make one wonder, no doubt.

Or F40.

I would be extremely happy with this kind of interior for Standard cars

 

[trk29]

Or F40.

I would be extremely happy with this kind of interior for Standard cars

Yes the F40 was very dark.

Indeed, if you look closely you'll realize the interior is there, unlike the pitch black GTPSP interiors. It is awfully dark though. GT5P has some dark interiors where you can barely see the dials, like the Ferrari 512BB. Nothing like this though.

Still, I think it's quite far fetched to consider it a standard car interior, but it does make one wonder, no doubt.

There is no doubt that it is a premium car because at the start of the video the windows are clear and not dark black. I am just wondering if the other two cars that were pointed out are premium then why the heck can you see their gauges and not the vette. The only thing I could make out on the vette was what looked like the ignition switch.

EDIT: You can see the gauges at the very last second when the video stops. I still wonder why you can't see them clearly if all the "premiums have highly detailed interiors"

 

[Emet_PL]

JDMKING13, thx for the photo.

 

[twisteddeeds]

Maybe just maybe it is a standard car with drivers view... "this is a guess"

We all know that standards don't have detailed interiors etc. But what if they have a psp style (upgraded)...

For example:

1967 Stingray interior

For some various (corvette interiors )see 3 posts down


This Although off screen etc, but stick with it...

^^^ This is a picture from the vid, a screengrab with no alteration

^^^ I upped the contrast and the brightness, and sharpened it up a touch. notice that the wheel, and 2 dials and the top of the dash are present. But if you look closely nothing else is shown on the actual view of the interior of the car. As far as I can tell the wheel and dails are correct but everything else is missing....

Now I know its not the best quality etc. But the wheel is correct as far as I can tell from the vid and the picture.

But I thought I'd try to see If anything else shows up if I tried to find edges after I adjusted brightness and contrast.

From what I can tell from that Image is that the wheel, with the 2 dials and the part of the dash that stretches across the bottom of the windscreen are there. Imagine looking at this car from the tinted windows on the outside... you could see these possibly. But because standards have tinted windows on the outside, maybe we still have a view out of them...

And if you look closely at the centre console (just above where the gear stick is expected) .. its partially modelled, but I can't see that from the video or the original screengrab due to it being shaded out. But it makes sense to have something that looks modelled when the light hits it to trick the eye into thinking that something is there.

It could be possible that they have got this view for standards, but this is a guess. If it was premium why can't we see the rest of the dash, and the dials?

IMO this could be a standard view... Don't forget they said that head tracking is only available in Premiums... But what if thats because in standards the view is set like above, with the most basic features eg. 2 dials and a wheel... Thus meaning basic, not detailed correctly etc.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying I'm right, and its only a quick look etc.. But what i would say is though. If it is the vette inside. Its been shown as standard...

Would PD also have a premium version?

 

[twisteddeeds]

sorry double post

 

[Quintin03]

I think the last few seconds of this video could stir up some debate as it shows what looks like to be the cockpit of the STANDARD Corvette Stingray.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGxN17sRCBc
Thanks to our menber sunjeev for making this video.

 

[ZoidFile]

@twisteddeeds
I think you used the wrong cockpit as reference.

 

[twisteddeeds]

@twisteddeeds
I think you used the wrong cockpit as reference.

Ok my bad, was trying to do it in a hurry 👍

I'll fix it, though the wheel on that isn't the same as the one in the game from what I can tell (I could be wrong) Im going with the assumption that its the 1963 - 67 version

Although it could be this one

1974 Corvette coupe

 

[alucard0712]

This 'Vette is premium i think.Stage is too bright and cockpit has no LEDs.With HDR image - this is normal that you don't see gauges.

 

[Quintin03]

This 'Vette is the convertible version of the 'Vette we know from the standard car video. Or at leas that's what it appears to be. I doubt it's premium.

 

[twisteddeeds]

This 'Vette is premium i think.Stage is too bright and cockpit has no LEDs.With HDR image - this is normal that you don't see gauges.

What I mean though not even mentioning the gauges, was if its a premium even with the lighting we should be able to see more of the centre console of the car.

It could be the quality of the video, What I don't understand is how come other videos when shown in the same kind of footage (shot offscreen) we can still see "more of the interior" and this is when we know its a premium car eg. The enzo or..

Audi (premium)


@ 0.52 secs = Notice how even the dials show detail, and part of the centre console. Even the fan vents are detailed.... And to be honest that video looks even worse quailty than the one showing the corvette

 

[analog]

The reason you can't clearly see the dials in that Premium 'Vette is probably due to the design of the dashboard which is raked backwards unlike most modern cars as you can see in those dashboard pictures.
This means the shadow blocks the view of the dials in some instances and remember the colour of that dash appears to be black unlike those pictures which show a red an tan coloured interior.
And the quality of that video can't be compared with what you will see on a TV.

 

[twisteddeeds]

The reason you can't clearly see the dials in that Premium 'Vette is probably due to the design of the dashboard which is raked backwards unlike most modern cars as you can see in those dashboard pictures.
This means the shadow blocks the view of the dials in some instances and remember the colour of that dash appears to be black unlike those pictures which show a red an tan coloured interior.
And the quality of that video can't be compared with what you will see on a TV.

Your'e right, but how come you can't see anything to the right of the wheel? It doesn't appear to have a centre console

Even though the video is rough, how come you cant make out any details around the dials?

As the above picture shows (light coming through window).. You would still catch more of the interior or even the surrounding dash around the dials.

 

[sunjeev]

One thing I did notice was when I was driving the corvette in cockpit view there was not interior when I pressed L1 to look back. It was just an outline of the back window and the bottom was black, it could have been that the track was too dark and the shadows hide all the back interior.



I have no idea, but Im not getting my hopes up and will say that the car is most likely premium.

 

[twisteddeeds]

One thing I did notice was when I was driving the corvette in cockpit view there was not interior when I pressed L1 to look back. It was just an outline of the back window and the bottom was black, it could have been that the track was too dark and the shadows hide all the back interior. I have no idea, but Im not getting my hopes up and will say that the car is most likely premium.

I agree it most likely is, its just that for it to be a premium I thought we would see more even just for that limited view. Did you happen to notice when driving the car any other details than what we can pick up from the video?.. Could you see the dash any clearer? what I mean is could you make out the fixtures around the dials for example?

 

[Lucas]

(deep breath) Lucas I know you and Strattan are buddies

How could you possibly know that?

and you feel you need to hold his hand and defend him

I defend other's opinion when they are the same as mine.

I was not laughing at Strittan opinion I respect everyone opinion.

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I was laughing at the fact I told Dave that When I said Standard look better than GT4 I wrote IMO for the fact of you cannot write facts as an opinion on GTP because some folks will try to throw it it your face just as your buddy did to me even though he was wrong. Dave SZ said it was a fact so I said you can call it anyway you want.

You say that you laughed at whatever you want, but to me, the bold part:

O ok my bad D. I was not saying it in a bad way towards you, Strittan feels the GT4 car looked better. It made me laugh because I feel just as you, but I know on GTP you cannot state facts as opinion thats why I put the IMO.

...seemed to make reference that your and dave_sz's opinion that Standard > GT4 cars, makes me think that you were indeed laughing at Strittan's opinion.

And I'm really, really sorry if I made a mistake, but I'm having a hard time understanding your posts. For example, I think you meant "state opinions as facts", not otherwise.

 

[TallPaul]

One thing I did notice was when I was driving the corvette in cockpit view there was not interior when I pressed L1 to look back. It was just an outline of the back window and the bottom was black, it could have been that the track was too dark and the shadows hide all the back interior.



I have no idea, but Im not getting my hopes up and will say that the car is most likely premium.

It's a 2 seater, there is no interior behind the rear seats.

It's exactly the same with the ferrari 512BB in gt5p, when you look back all you see is the engine covers through the rear window as it's a 2 seater.

 

[Antti-san]

The reason you can't clearly see the dials in that Premium 'Vette is probably due to the design of the dashboard which is raked backwards unlike most modern cars as you can see in those dashboard pictures.
This means the shadow blocks the view of the dials in some instances and remember the colour of that dash appears to be black unlike those pictures which show a red an tan coloured interior.
And the quality of that video can't be compared with what you will see on a TV.

Indeed, nothing new here. Besides, the interior of the 512BB in Prologue was very dark as well, yet everything was still modeled.

 

[analog]

Your'e right, but how come you can't see anything to the right of the wheel? It doesn't appear to have a centre console

Even though the video is rough, how come you cant make out any details around the dials?

As the above picture shows (light coming through window).. You would still catch more of the interior or even the surrounding dash around the dials.

Wrong dashboard model you chose, the correct one is shown below and as you can see the dials are installed much deeper ( which means shadows obviously making it appear darker ) into a backwards raked dashboard.
Now you have to remember these classic cars haven't got the same dashboard light level a modern car has got and you will see those dials much clearer on a large HD TV than a YouTube quality video.

 

[TallPaul]

What I mean though not even mentioning the gauges, was if its a premium even with the lighting we should be able to see more of the centre console of the car.

It could be the quality of the video, What I don't understand is how come other videos when shown in the same kind of footage (shot offscreen) we can still see "more of the interior" and this is when we know its a premium car eg. The enzo or..

Audi (premium)


@ 0.52 secs = Notice how even the dials show detail, and part of the centre console. Even the fan vents are detailed.... And to be honest that video looks even worse quailty than the one showing the corvette

The Audi dials are backlit, the corvette's aren't.

There's bright sunshine creating heavy contrast, thats why the corvette's dash 'looks' blacked out. It's quite obviously a premium car, even the person who made the video has said this.

 

[trk29]

Showing the picture of the rear view shot on the TV is hopeful. And the shot that twistedeeds posted of the outline is good as well. The car has clear windows though so it would be a premium like I said before. Standards have blacked out windows. I still don't understand why you can't see the dash in full sun.

 

[trk29]

The Audi dials are backlit, the corvette's aren't.

There's bright sunshine creating heavy contrast, thats why the corvette's dash 'looks' blacked out. It's quite obviously a premium car, even the person who made the video has said this.

Are the dials backlit during the day?

One thing I did notice was when I was driving the corvette in cockpit view there was not interior when I pressed L1 to look back. It was just an outline of the back window and the bottom was black, it could have been that the track was too dark and the shadows hide all the back interior.



I have no idea, but Im not getting my hopes up and will say that the car is most likely premium.

Easy question to answer, were you able to look left and right while driving in cockpit view?

 

[warp9engage]

The Convertible Classic Corvette seen on those pictures is confirmed as a premium. Just like all the other cars in those demos. PD won't show Standards yet because they know they are bad.

In the below video it's part of the car selection available in the E3 demo, and if you look closely, you can see the word "PREMIUM", in caps, appear under the car's name when it's highlighted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBqkvh2gi5c&feature=player_embedded

 

[TallPaul]

Are the dials backlit during the day?

Yes, see these vids.




All modern audi's have the same style dials, I owned an Audi A2 a few years ago and it was the same 👍

 

[trk29]

Thanks I have a VW Jetta and the dials don't light up until you turn the light switch on, so I didn't know if Audi's were the same or not.

 

[analog]

Here's the real one in sunlight, as you can see the interior is dark as well, it's only after he opens the doors it becomes much clearer.
And he's filming the dash below the sun-lit windscreen.

 

[Griffith500]

They probably just increased the size of the textures. They might have done them at larger sizes initally, but could not use them in the PS2. That, and the GT5 engine probably has better texture filtering

This.

The shut-lines (an incidental lighting detail ) do look finer - but they were blurred on the GT4 model; are they just filtered and blurred differently for GT5?
The textures could have been "upscaled", but most details (e.g. badges; headlights etc.) would only look slightly improved without dedicated attention.


I've read a bit more about displacement-based tessellation; the normal map can be used to create a displacement map (offline) and then the models can be tessellated in real-time, using the leftover horsepower from the cleft in polycount between the standard cars and the premiums.

Again, assuming the normal maps used in GT4 are of sufficient detail.

 

[Tornado]

Guys, seriously? The convertible Corvette is a known Premium model.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

This.

The shut-lines (an incidental lighting detail ) do look finer - but they were blurred on the GT4 model; are they just filtered and blurred differently for GT5?
The textures could have been "upscaled", but most details (e.g. badges; headlights etc.) would only look slightly improved without dedicated attention.


I've read a bit more about displacement-based tessellation; the normal map can be used to create a displacement map (offline) and then the models can be tessellated in real-time, using the leftover horsepower from the cleft in polycount between the standard cars and the premiums.

Again, assuming the normal maps used in GT4 are of sufficient detail.

If you look at the intro videos to every one of the GT games, the cars shown there have significantly higher detail and better modeling than what you see in game. I wonder if these are the models the normal maps are based on?

 

[Strittan]

If you look at the intro videos to every one of the GT games, the cars shown there have significantly higher detail and better modeling than what you see in game. I wonder if these are the models the normal maps are based on?

Wrong, the modeling has always been the same in the intro as in-game. Only the resolution and anti-aliasing has been better/higher in the intro's.