Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[Strittan]

Anyone think that the cars from GT HD will be what standard cars look like? (minus the interior)

I really hope that's sarcasm, but if not, well here goes for the 1634748394th time...

NO, they will NOT look like GTHD cars minus the interior. They will look like GT4 cars but with better reflections.

EDIT: Why the hell are people still speculating when it's been confirmed more than twice how things will be? Why moderators let this pointless speculations and guys like me yelling at people who still don't understand go on is for me a big mystery.

 

[alucard0712]

Even if it's not a GT5 engine - we talking about STANDARD CARS right now.Those models (according to PSP intro) looks like standards.However it's very hard to tell from the PSP intro because PREMIUMS are converted to STANDARDs too.Maybe those cars are PREMIUMS.

 

[Zathra5_]

I really hope that's sarcasm, but if not, well here goes for the 1634748394th time...

NO, they will NOT look like GTHD cars minus the interior. They will look like GT4 cars but with better reflections.

EDIT: Why the hell are people still speculating when it's been confirmed more than twice how things will be? Why moderators let this pointless speculations and guys like me yelling at people who still don't understand go on is for me a big mystery.

It appears that Sam had a reasonable suggestion. Even searching this thread for GTHD show no evidence that he is wrong. I really see no sense in people like you yelling at people who apparently don't understand.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

It appears that Sam had a reasonable suggestion. Even searching this thread for GTHD show no evidence that he is wrong. I really see no sense in people like you yelling at people who apparently don't understand.

It shouldn't be. There's a Standard car video provided by PD, and it's mentioned on a regular basis, in various threads and news articles, that the Standards are brought over from GT4/PSP (just under the new lighting engine). People who go on thinking the Standards will look like GTHD are very similar to the people who ignore the overwhelming stuff about Porsche and insist there's still a chance whenever the name is even mentioned in the same breath/sentence as GT.

 

[Zathra5_]

I don't remember the GTHD cars looking all that hot and they don't have interiors. They don't look much different to the standard video cars to me.

 

[Sam48]

It shouldn't be. There's a Standard car video provided by PD, and it's mentioned on a regular basis, in various threads and news articles, that the Standards are brought over from GT4/PSP.

That's not what I'm getting at. What I'm saying is, do you think we can expect the level of detail cars in GT HD have on standard cars in GT5 minus the interior? The reason being because GT HD cars are GT4 cars with added interiors. Although some were built from scratch, such as the Ferrari 599, others like the Skyline R33 were transfered from GT4, and given an interior, then made HD.

@Zathra5_ Yes, they had interiors.

 

[Tornado]

The stuff in GTHD was built for GTHD. It wasn't transferred from GT4, as it looks quite a bit better than the stuff in GT4 does.

 

[Zathra5_]

The stuff in GTHD was built for GTHD. It wasn't transferred from GT4, as it looks quite a bit better than the stuff in GT4 does.

You are going to need better evidence than "as it looks quite a bit better" Using that reasoning, I would say that Eiger was completely redone for prologue. People here have a tendency to come to firm conclusions about things based on speculation to the extent that they think moderators need to step in. That's pretty silly.

 

[Tornado]

I've played both games in HD. I don't know if you have, but the difference in model detail is quite notable. By which I mean a whole crap load more notable than what the Standard Cars video and other press materials alluded to.

And for that matter, simply looking at any of the cars for 5 seconds can tell you that they weren't transferred from GT4, because they weren't even modeled the same way.

 

[regnar]

You are going to need better evidence than "as it looks quite a bit better" Using that reasoning, I would say that Eiger was completely redone for prologue. People here have a tendency to come to firm conclusions about things based on speculation to the extent that they think moderators need to step in. That's pretty silly.

No need to go back to the beginning, GTHD was PD first go at premiums using much higher polygon counts, about 200,000. GT4 cars had approx 4,000 polygon which is quit a bit of difference.

So far the standards car video doesn't seem to show improvements in textures. It's possible that by the time of TGS we will see slight improvements, but there is still a vast jump between premiums & standards.

 

[Zathra5_]

I By which I mean a whole crap load more notable than what the Standard Cars video and other press materials alluded to.

Now you are saying that the Standard Cars video looks a lot better compared what you would expect from a straight GT4 transfer. Kind of tears a hole in your whole argument now doesn't it?

Edit: just took out the Eunos roadster for a spin on GTHD and checked out the standard video. Not a huge difference in detail. Standard cars look just as good.

 

[Tornado]

Now you are saying that the Standard Cars video looks a lot better compared what you would expect from a straight GT4 transfer. Kind of tears a hole in your whole argument now doesn't it?

What are you talking about? I never said anything remotely like that.

Edit: just took out the Eunos roadster for a spin on GTHD and checked out the standard video. Not a huge difference in detail. Standard cars look just as good.

Except, um:

And for that matter, simply looking at any of the cars for 5 seconds can tell you that they weren't transferred from GT4, because they weren't even modeled the same way.

So, no.

 

[Zathra5_]

And still a complete lack of evidence.

 

[Tornado]

You are pretty much blind if you think the GT:HD models were transferred from GT4. They were all obviously scratch built for the game. This is basically common sense that anyone with two functioning eyes can see.

And no, I'm not going to post "evidence" to show what I'm talking about, because you have the damn game. Look at a a car in GT:HD, and look at the same car in GT4. They simply are not modeled the same way. For example, the cars in GT:HD have individually-modeled body panels (like the Premiums in GT5), and the cars in GT4 do not (like the Standards in GT5). If you were willing to basically ignore something so amazingly obvious as you came to your current opinion, nothing I post in this thread is going to change your mind. Simple as.

 

[Maxitsu]

Does someone have a video of a Lancer Evo whit the new hood view? i want to see it.

 

[Zathra5_]

You are pretty much blind if you think the GT:HD models were transferred from GT4. They were all obviously scratch built for the game. This is basically common sense that anyone with two functioning eyes can see.

And no, I'm not going to post "evidence" to show what I'm talking about, because you have the damn game. Look at a a car in GT:HD, and look at the same car in GT4. They simply are not modeled the same way. For example, the cars in GT:HD have individually-modeled body panels (like the Premiums in GT5), and the cars in GT4 do not (like the Standards in GT5). If you were willing to basically ignore something so amazingly obvious as you came to your current opinion, nothing I post in this thread is going to change your mind. Simple as.

The proper comparison is not with GT4 but with GT5 standard cars. Take a look at the Eunos in GTHD and then take a look at the standard cars. The only real difference is the interior. There appears to be the assumption that absolutely nothing was done to the GT4 models before they were included in GT5 but there is nothing to base that assumption on.

 

[Zonda_Guy]

I'd love it if the Standards end up looking like GTHD cars!

 

[SlipZtrEm]

The proper comparison is not with GT4 but with GT5 standard cars. Take a look at the Eunos in GTHD and then take a look at the standard cars. The only real difference is the interior. There appears to be the assumption that absolutely nothing was done to the GT4 models before they were included in GT5 but there is nothing to base that assumption on.

You mean other than all the images of comparisons between GT4 and the Standard video that shows that nothing was done to the models, and there's only one car that looks like it may have updated textures?

You talk of assumptions and then say something like this:

"Take a look at the Eunos in GTHD and then take a look at the standard cars. The only real difference is the interior."



Seriously, it's like the last two months worth of discussion in this thread is thrown out whenever somebody decides it doesn't fit their new, unique view.

 

[Ryan81]

I'd be lying if I said that standard vs premium wasn't disappointing, mainly because of the lack of cockpit view in 80% of the cars in GT5.

However, what we have is what we have and GT5 will be the first great PS3 exclusive racer. We've been waiting YEARS for it and I'm still looking forward to it with great anticipation, regardless of the faults it has.

I just hope the last 50 or so premium cars are some real jaw-droppers to make up for it (at least to some extent)

 

[Zathra5_]

You mean other than all the images of comparisons between GT4 and the Standard video that shows that nothing was done to the models, and there's only one car that looks like it may have updated textures?

You talk of assumptions and then say something like this:

"Take a look at the Eunos in GTHD and then take a look at the standard cars. The only real difference is the interior."



Seriously, it's like the last two months worth of discussion in this thread is thrown out whenever somebody decides it doesn't fit their new, unique view.

I have seen nothing that suggests that all the GTHD models are completely from scratch and sorry but still shots from videos really aren't that convincing. Making firm conclusions based on shaky evidence doesn't make any sense to me. If you don't agree, that's fine with me but I am entitled to my own "unique view."

Even if they all were modeled from scratch, they are definitely a step down from prologue and would probably be classified as standard cars.

 

[eSZee]

Even if it's not a GT5 engine - we talking about STANDARD CARS right now.Those models (according to PSP intro) looks like standards.However it's very hard to tell from the PSP intro because PREMIUMS are converted to STANDARDs too.Maybe those cars are PREMIUMS.

Ey? Which ones? I know the Veyron is most likely premium and the ZR1 but...
Nevermind.

 

[Devedander]

The proper comparison is not with GT4 but with GT5 standard cars. Take a look at the Eunos in GTHD and then take a look at the standard cars. The only real difference is the interior. There appears to be the assumption that absolutely nothing was done to the GT4 models before they were included in GT5 but there is nothing to base that assumption on.

GT HD cars have real panel gaps and much smoother curves while standard cars have no panel gaps and show the same vertex lumps as GT4 cars... not sure where you come up with there being little to no difference from those points alone...

 

[Dravonic]

Ey? Which ones?

He means cars like the Veyron which were made premium for GT5, but must have a standard version since it's in GTPSP.

 

[stig's helmet]

good point there actually

 

[alucard0712]

Ey? Which ones? I know the Veyron is most likely premium and the ZR1 but...
Nevermind.

No no - I mean for GTPSP Premiums are converted to Standard-like cars.And it's really hard to tell from GTPSP intro - where is GT5 Premiums and where is Standards.I hope you understand!

And this beautiful white NSX looks not that good in HD (from GTPSP intro) as it looks on small "b-spec" picture...(but still good!)

 

[supersquirrel]

in gtpsp, all of the cars are the same

 

[Goshin2568]

I have seen nothing that suggests that all the GTHD models are completely from scratch and sorry but still shots from videos really aren't that convincing. Making firm conclusions based on shaky evidence doesn't make any sense to me. If you don't agree, that's fine with me but I am entitled to my own "unique view."

Even if they all were modeled from scratch, they are definitely a step down from prologue and would probably be classified as standard cars.

Haha you are making a fool of yourself.
The cars in GT5 were not judged and then said "ok, that looks good enough to be called a premium."
Heres how we break it down.

GTHD, GT5P and GT5 Premiums: Made from scratch, with idividually modelled panels.

GT4, GTPSP, GT5 Standards: Made in GT4, GT5 standards are carried over from GT4. The only reason the look good is they are displayed with a new lighting engine, and in 1080p. THEY WERE NOT REMODELLED. Any idiot with a pair of eyes could tell that by looking at a screenshot from the standard car video. That's like saying "Prove the sun is yellow." It's just obvious.

Now, whether the standards look as good in GT5 as they do in GTHD is a matter of opinion, but the fact remains they were modelled quite differently.

 

[eSZee]

Haha you are making a fool of yourself.
The cars in GT5 were not judged and then said "ok, that looks good enough to be called a premium."
Heres how we break it down.

GTHD, GT5P and GT5 Premiums: Made from scratch, with idividually modelled panels.

GT4, GTPSP, GT5 Standards: Made in GT4, GT5 standards are carried over from GT4. The only reason the look good is they are displayed with a new lighting engine, and in 1080p. THEY WERE NOT REMODELLED. Any idiot with a pair of eyes could tell that by looking at a screenshot from the standard car video. That's like saying "Prove the sun is yellow." It's just obvious.

Now, whether the standards look as good in GT5 as they do in GTHD is a matter of opinion, but the fact remains they were modelled quite differently.

Erm going a bit overboard aren't we? Oh btw, the Sun is actually white.

 

[Akira AC]

Erm going a bit overboard aren't we? Oh btw, the Sun is actually white.

Yep the sun its actually white ,some guys think that the atmosphere doesn't exist.

 

[eSZee]

Atomorsfear?
lol