Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[Luminis]

Just out of curiousity but suppose PD release DLC pack which consists of 10 standard cars that have now been converted into premium. Would you pay for this and if so what amount would you be willing to pay?

Roughly 5$ per pack, if said pack consists of ten cars I like. And they shouldn't stick to upgrading standard cars to premium. It's okay if they did, but I'd rather see new cars added.

Why is that a sidetrack. Just stating that with a standard car I can still enjoy what GT5 offers i.e physics, racing online with a standard car.

Because it has nothing to do with the debate at hand, read, the quality of the standard cars. You could enjoy all of that with a black brick as well.

 

[Devedander]

Just out of curiousity but suppose PD release DLC pack which consists of 10 standard cars that have now been converted into premium. Would you pay for this and if so what amount would you be willing to pay?

Well as per your previous post, I don't support DLC to make GT5 into essentially GT6 because: there is no way to make it cost efficient for both parties. There are large changes that are best/only suited to a whole new release (ie major changes to gameplay and or added game sections) and it segements the community into the haves and have nots... and with 800 cars to work with, we aren't talking 10 car packs of 3-5 each, we are talking almost impossible to find someone who has the same garage as you with all the quirks of missmatched assets.

And I am a bad person to ask about DLC in general, but basically not more than a dollar or two because as I said, it would end up costing way too much to convert the whole 800 cars via DLC even at a very low price per pack and I don't even want to get into picking and choosing which ones I upgrade.

 

[Spagetti69]

Wow 400 dollars to get all them.
That's quite a sum.

 

[Luminis]

Wow 400 dollars to get all them.
That's quite a sum.

Not if you're buying only, for example, five packs to get the cars you'd actually want as premiums.

Then again, PD would probably put one interesting car in a car pack, alongside 9 variations of Skylines, Fairladies, Evos...

 

[gtracedriver]

Look at these GT4 shots. Standard models will be better than other games I am sure

 

[Spagetti69]

Yes but they won't have cockpits like other games.

 

[Luminis]

Look at these GT4 shots. Standard models will be better than other games I am sure

Because other games feature painted on shutlines, emblemes, vents, grilles and the like as well?

Just look at the Merc. Almost every detail on the car is painted on with textures. How is that on par with the cars featured in current gen games?

 

[sher_da_putt]

Because other games feature painted on shutlines, emblemes, vents, grilles and the like as well?

Just look at the Merc. Almost every detail on the car is painted on with textures. How is that on par with the cars featured in current gen games?

But it still looks good, thats what counts, if you look at forza models even though they have shutlines and all those things you mentioned, they still don't look as real life as GT5

 

[Spagetti69]

Because PD done it, you should know that by now.
Actually the premium cars, should by name, be recognised as standard. Due to the fact that they should be the norm for the ps3.

The standard models, well I don't know what term to apply.
Maybe call them sub standard.

 

[JDMKING13]

We need more photos of standard cars to do some real comparisons. Hope we get more information on the standards at GC. 👍

 

[sher_da_putt]

Because PD done it, you should know that by now.
Actually the premium cars, should by name, be recognised as standard. Due to the fact that they should be the norm for the ps3.

The standard models, well I don't know what term to apply.
Maybe call them sub standard.

I disagree, on GT6, GT5 premiums should become the new standard, and they probably will be the norm in that next GT, Kaz himself said that GT5 should be on the PS4. PD have made an amazing game, they've brought the future closer, GTHD should have been this early generations GT, and maybe later this gen a GT with the standard models, then the next gen would have been the GT we get now with cars of premium quality.

I hope that wasn't confusing, reading back at it, it does seem a little confusing.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Look at these GT4 shots. Standard models will be better than other games I am sure

What does this post prove other than you have some blind, unrealistic ideals PD won't hit? That and those pictures don't look remotely comparable to the current generation.

But it still looks good, thats what counts, if you look at forza models even though they have shutlines and all those things you mentioned, they still don't look as real life as GT5

Uh, what? GT5 Premiums look life-like, yeah. Those pictures up there don't look close to what other games this generation are offering. GT5 Standards are just those models with prettier lighting. Still painted-on shutlines and details.

The standard models, well I don't know what term to apply.
Maybe call them sub standard.

"Classic"

 

[Luminis]

But it still looks good, thats what counts, if you look at forza models even though they have shutlines and all those things you mentioned, they still don't look as real life as GT5

That's true, for the premium cars. They look life like. The standards, not so much. From what we've seen in the standard car trailer, the standard cars are not on par with the competion that's currently available, let alone the premiums.

And all subjective impressions aside, it is, frankly speaking, not possible to argue the fact that the modelling is not on par with current stuff.

Mind you, I'm talking about what we've seen so far, not what you imagine the standards will look like.

Because PD done it, you should know that by now.

Yeah, I know, I know. Dunno why I even bother...

We need more photos of standard cars to do some real comparisons. Hope we get more information on the standards at GC. 👍

I doubt we'll see a lot of footage about the standard cars. Just because I have a feeling that PD is willing to keep us in the air about them as much as possible. Just to prevent that 'final comparison'.

 

[gtracedriver]

Because other games feature painted on shutlines, emblemes, vents, grilles and the like as well?

Just look at the Merc. Almost every detail on the car is painted on with textures. How is that on par with the cars featured in current gen games?

Forza also has blacked windows only in photomode it is not there. That is really great for PS2 so on PS3 it is going to be even better in GT5

What does this post prove other than you have some blind, unrealistic ideals PD won't hit? That and those pictures don't look remotely comparable to the current generation.



Uh, what? GT5 Premiums look life-like, yeah. Those pictures up there don't look close to what other games this generation are offering. GT5 Standards are just those models with prettier lighting. Still painted-on shutlines and details.



"Classic"

Hey I am not forcing you to believe Everyone can have opnion I think that probably looks better than this.



For sure we have to wait and see as they haven't shown anything. But I know they will do good job

 

[Spagetti69]

Seems like PR talk. Saying it should be on PS 4 why?
Using PS 2 cars why?
I'm buying it for my PS 3. If it really is Up to PS4 level. How come it's possible to play on PS3?

GT4s car models are considered to be the top end of the spectrum on the ps2.
So I suppose the argument follows that when they were made, they were really PS3 level.
But alot of people are not happy with them on PS3.

I'm confusing myself lol.

 

[eSZee]

Lets forget last gen, lets talk about state of the art. At least GT has some, 200, state of the art models, the competition has none.

Ah yes, a voice of reason.👍

 

[Luminis]

Forza also has blacked windows only in photomode it is not there. That is really great for PS2 so on PS3 it is going to be even better in GT5

How in the Frank Drebbin does that relate to the topic at hand? Yeah, both have blacked out windows. The cars in Forza do have a cockpit, though.

And, again, from what we've seen, the standards look, of course, better on the PS3 than in GT4, but they are not on par with Shift, GRID, Forza and so on and so forth...

Seems like PR talk. Saying it should be on PS 4 why?

Well, PD can get 16 premium cars to run on one track. So, they clearly are beyond the PS3's capabillities.

 

[eSZee]

Well, PD can get 16 premium cars to run on one track. So, they clearly are beyond the PS3's capabillities.

What?
That was sarcasm, correct?

 

[yellowclone]

Here is another link to throw some fuel on the debate fire http://www.gtpla.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/gran-turismo-5-rome-5.jpg What most are saying is that if it was in GT4, and carried over, it is standard. Ok, well in the picture I linked, both the 69 Camaro and 69 Corvette where in GT4, and also in the Standard car video. The Mustang ahead of them, in the picture was in GT5P (suppose to all be premium), as it was a 07, I believe (notice the orange reflectors/lights on the back bumper that was not on that car in GT4, which was an 05). They all have clear windows too. I know the Camaro has been shown in great detail, but not the inside of it except what we can see through the windows. I also know that it shows the highbeam lights on the Corvette, indicating that it is a premium car, but what if high beams were the default headlight setting for that particular car. It says the standard cars only have one headlight setting, it does not say low beams only. I personally think what we see in this picture is a mix of both standard and premium. Premium are also suppose to be down to the last screw, but where are the screws to hold the side mirror on the Camaro?

Just more to think about, haha.

 

[sher_da_putt]

Uh, what? GT5 Premiums look life-like, yeah. Those pictures up there don't look close to what other games this generation are offering. GT5 Standards are just those models with prettier lighting. Still painted-on shutlines and details.

Up there they don't, but in the standard cars video... they look better. Its not always about how many polygons there are on a model, its easy enough to click subdivide 10 times, and you can make a flat plane have 1000000 polygons. Its about how the Polygons are used, and how the textures/colours replicate the real world. When it comes to realism its all about art, forza 3 Is definetly a pretty looking game, but it makes 'un-lifelike' errors when it comes to rendering some of the cars.

I have confidence GT5 standard cars will look better than this, regardless if there are textured shutlines.

 

[Spagetti69]

PS2 car models........
PS4 car models........
PSP cockpits...........

Uuummm, will it work on my humble PS3?

 

[gtracedriver]

How in the Frank Drebbin does that relate to the topic at hand? Yeah, both have blacked out windows. The cars in Forza do have a cockpit, though.

And, again, from what we've seen, the standards look, of course, better on the PS3 than in GT4, but they are not on par with Shift, GRID, Forza and so on and so forth...


Well, PD can get 16 premium cars to run on one track. So, they clearly are beyond the PS3's capabillities.

I think it is impossible to say but I will stick with PD I think these guys are experts at what they do

I do not think it is fair but by screen grab from the standard video some of them did comparison.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

You can't argue the importance of realism and then ever place painted-on shutlines above proper, individually-modelled panels.

Forza weakpoints have been the headlights and taillights, that I won't argue. But at least they're not using sub-10K-poly, one-piece boxes.

 

[The_Paladin]

I think outsourcing on the Forza series seriously hurt the games, especially where Turn 10 had to go for it... Viet Nam??

Totally disagree, have you seen the menu models? they amazing, very detailed. Their only fault is lack of colour detailling, for that you can blame Microsoft for not giving Turn10 3 years instead of 2.

Also i dont think its fair to say that Sony is the one to blame for the lack of more hiring in PD, after all this game have a budget of about 60 or 80 millions of dollars. I just blame Kaz, he has been most erratic, also are you tell me that he can tell Sony to wait 2 or more years until GT (their best system seller) is ready and you believe he cant get the permission to hire more personal? thats very unlikely.

 

[Luminis]

What?
That was sarcasm, correct?

Of course it was.

I think it is impossible to say but I will stick with PD I think these guys are experts at what they do

I do not think it is fair but by screen grab from the standard video some of them did comparison.

So, basically, you're saying that it's unfair to pass judgment based on a screen grab, so you're rather going to comment on how the standard cars will compare to the competition based on what you imagine they will look llike?

 

[maxpontiac]

I think it is impossible to say but I will stick with PD I think these guys are experts at what they do

I do not think it is fair but by screen grab from the standard video some of them did comparison.

If GT5's Standard cars are comparable (possibly superior) to Forza 3 automobiles, no one here has nothing to worry about outside of a dashboard camera.

Judging by that screen shot comparison, why sweat it?

 

[JDMKING13]

But it still looks good, thats what counts, if you look at forza models even though they have shutlines and all those things you mentioned, they still don't look as real life as GT5

Im with you man I played Forza3 , NFS Shift and their graphics are not the best however they still look good and playable. This is the same for the standards they are no where near the premiums just as other raciing games, but they still look good 👍

I just don't know how these are considered as last Gen looking cars they look close to all the racing games I play now IMO. The only game they don't compare to is its own game GT5 .

 

[The_Paladin]

If GT5's Standard cars are comparable (possibly superior) to Forza 3 automobiles, no one here has nothing to worry about outside of a dashboard camera.

Judging by that screen shot comparison, why sweat it?

The standard cars are taken from GT4, low poly and low res textures included. Theres no what they are better or even close to the one in Forza 3 or any other racing game with productions cars in this gen.

The overall its probably going to look more realistic but thats because in PD they are masters of the ilumination, shadows and colour palette, but the models itself are totally outdated.

 

[Spagetti69]

Well they haven't got a cockpit!!!!!!

 

[steve30x]

Didnt Scaff almost have a nervous break down a few days ago because you guys were comparing forza to GT5? He asked you guys to stop and you guys are at it all over again.

Oh the front seat mods have noticed the exact same thing and are more than interested in the conduct and manner of a good number of members.

Nothing wrong with heated or full-blooded discussions, as long as they stay on topic (I seem to have lost track of the number of times I have pointed out this is not a thread for the comparison of GT vs FM) and within the AUP.

A number of members are sailing very close to the edge, when they sail over it I can assure you they will know.

Petty insults and digs as a way to needle others or avoid a discussion are not acceptable and to be honest over the last 24 hours a number of members have almost stepped onto the wrong side of the tracks.

This is in part a last public appeal to those posting in here to calm down and post with respect to each other, failure to do so will see action taken.



Quite a simple reason in all honesty, if I were to lock the two standard vs premium thread right now, all that would happen is that the self same arguments would spill out into other totally unrelated threads. At that point you would see a lot of infractions and warnings hit PM in-boxes.

This way we can keep it contained and see who exactly believes the AUP is optional when it comes to how they post.

Anyone who thinks the staff don't keep an eye on these threads and that we haven't discussed the conduct in here is very, very much mistaken.


Scaff

Really I do at times feel like giving up at times.

TWO posts ago I reminded everyone this wasn't a GT vs FM discussion thread, so what does someone do.

That's right posts up FM3 screenshots (bugger all else just the screenshots).

That post has been deleted and the member is question is lucky to not be reading an infraction message right now.


Scaff