Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[Luminis]

Well, since everyone's going on about the standard cars vs. the competition....

Show me a standard car that stands up to these, let alone surpasses them. Just to point it out, the livery on the Delta is done with the livery editor, so it might be slightly off. But it's noteworthy that you can actually see the seatbelts and the stitching on the seats.

 

[maxpontiac]

The standard cars are taken from GT4, low poly and low res textures included. Theres no what they are better or even close to the one in Forza 3 or any other racing game with productions cars in this gen.

The overall its probably going to look more realistic but thats because in PD they are masters of the ilumination, shadows and colour palette, but the models itself are totally outdated.

And you came to this conclusion based on? A few screen shots?? The fact remains that the Standard cars will still share the driving physics as the Premium ones and offer scratch and dent damage found in Forza 3. That's all we know.

So does that mean the world is over? No. The in game models of Forza 3 are still boxed out per se. Crash one, you'll see. Same pre-rendered damage physics from Forza 2. Did that ruin Forza? Not for me. Other things did.

 

[The_Paladin]

And you came to this conclusion based on? A few screen shots?? The fact remains that the Standard cars will still share the driving physics as the Premium ones and offer scratch and dent damage found in Forza 3. That's all we know.

So does that mean the world is over? No. The in game models of Forza 3 are still boxed out per se. Crash one, you'll see. Same pre-rendered damage physics from Forza 2. Did that ruin Forza? Not for me. Other things did.

What have to do driving physics with this?? we are talking about 3d models!

 

[analog]

Everytime I see those beautiful Alfa Giulia's appear in those Standard shots I feel sad as it keeps reminding me I possibly can't drive these glorious little cars from within their beautiful interiors..........

Please let this all be a ( quite long ) bad dream..........

 

[maxpontiac]

What have to do driving physics with this?? we are talking about 3d models!

Man. Look at the screen shot comparison. If you are not happy with either, you are being a pure fanboy.👎

I brought the driving into this discussion because GT5 is about the driving, is it not? Plus, the driving physics are a confimed detail.

 

[Goshin2568]

I have confidence GT5 standard cars will look better than this [Forza 3 Model], regardless if there are textured shutlines.

What the 🤬 are you smokin'?

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Well, since everyone's going on about the standard cars vs. the competition....

Show me a standard car that stands up to these, let alone surpasses them. Just to point it out, the livery on the Delta is done with the livery editor, so it might be slightly off. But it's noteworthy that you can actually see the seatbelts and the stitching on the seats.

Ahhh finally a pic that shows the suspension flex that exists in Forza 3. I was trying to explain this in another thread where someone said that the cars have no suspension flex or bodyroll in F3. Thats not correct at all and this pic helps prove that. Plus as you can see in the red car above, the game looks MUCH better than the linked Forza 3 pics. 👍

Also for those that dont know, the photo system for Forza 3 sucks because it is linked right to the website and by the time it gets there its in terrible quality. Most of the really bad pics you see do not look like that in the game at all. This is why I wish Forza 3 had the USB photo save option that GT4 and GT5 has. Then we could truly show how great Forza 3 looks.

 

[Luminis]

I brought the driving into this discussion because GT5 is about the driving, is it not? Plus, the driving physics are a confimed detail.

The way a car handles on the track does play into how it looks now?

Well, that's amazing, I'd better write a letter to TopGear, hopefully Jeremy Clarkson will stop mentioning that Porsche look like squashed VW Beetles, because they handle great.

 

[Goshin2568]

The way a car handles on the track does play into how it looks now?

Well, that's amazing, I'd better write a letter to TopGear, hopefully Jeremy Clarkson will stop mentioning that Porsche look like squashed VW Beetles, because they handle great.

Hahahah. He's right, now that I think about it...

 

[maxpontiac]

The way a car handles on the track does play into how it looks now?

Well, that's amazing, I'd better write a letter to TopGear, hopefully Jeremy Clarkson will stop mentioning that Porsche look like squashed VW Beetles, because they handle great.

You are missing the point. Why waste so much time arguing about the small details? Is not the point of a driving game, well the driving?

As I stated above in regards to both of the screenshots, who cares? The fanboy rage on this site (shockingly that centers around some Forza players) is old news now.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Man. Look at the screen shot comparison. If you are not happy with either, you are being a pure fanboy.👎

I brought the driving into this discussion because GT5 is about the driving, is it not? Plus, the driving physics are a confimed detail.

Not only has it been mentioned numerous times that talking about the physics is just side-tracking the discussion (since this is a talk about the graphics), but we can't really argue the physics since we can't see them. We can see all these images. But how valid would you consider someone popping into a discussion about physics with a "who cares, this game has prettier models!"? It has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Im with you man I played Forza3 , NFS Shift and their graphics are not the best however they still look good and playable. This is the same for the standards they are no where near the premiums just as other raciing games, but they still look good 👍

I just don't know how these are considered as last Gen looking cars they look close to all the racing games I play now IMO. The only game they don't compare to is its own game GT5 .

You've already admitted to not really knowing what you're talking about in regards to the graphics, so that's fine. Mind you, if I shrunk down any games' screenshots to a measly 500px-wide image, they'd look great too. It minimizes detail errors, and is common in the GT4 Galleries for precisely that reason. You'll see the jaggies and smudgy textures far, far more on any decent-sized TV.

You are missing the point. Why waste so much time arguing about the small details? Is not the point of a driving game, well the driving?

Model accuracy, whether you want to admit it or not, plays a hand in the feeling of immersion. A lower-quality model incapable of being torn up in a head-on collision with a Premium is sure going to highlight that (if they're allowed on track together). Having limitations on the lights used during night races, or even what view can be used to drive 8/10 of the cars, these peaks and valleys in the quality and features of the lineup is what the issue is.

 

[The_Paladin]

You are missing the point. Why waste so much time arguing about the small details? Is not the point of a driving game, well the driving?

As I stated above in regards to both of the screenshots, who cares? The fanboy rage on this site (shockingly that centers around some Forza players) is old news now.

If you dont like what we are talking about then you are free to go to another topic. This one is about what we think about the difference in of the 3d model between standard and premium ones.

 

[analog]

Man. Look at the screen shot comparison. If you are not happy with either, you are being a pure fanboy.👎

I brought the driving into this discussion because GT5 is about the driving, is it not? Plus, the driving physics are a confimed detail.

Yes let's just talk about all the good things and magically all the bad things will disappear despite the fact these good aspects are as off-topic regarding this thread as talking about how good the cars look in a thread discussing physics......

What GT5 is about for me I decide for myself ( and yes driving is the main attraction, that's like saying FIFA is about football, duh! ) and that isn't even close to the topic being discussed.
If someone dares to critizise an element of GT5 you just want to change the subject? Talk about being a fanboy.

 

[maxpontiac]

Not only has it been mentioned numerous times that talking about the physics is just side-tracking the discussion (since this is a talk about the graphics), but we can't really argue the physics since we can't see them. We can see all these images. But how valid would you consider someone popping into a discussion about physics with a "who cares, this game has prettier models!"? It has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

You can take it anyway you like. You can also call it side tracking the discussion. As I have stated, and will state for the 3rd time, both of them look fine to me. GT5 and Forza 3 are all about the driving. It's amazing how so many people here complain and whine endlessly, hence being nothing more then forum trolls.

If you dont like what we are talking about then you are free to go to another topic. This one is about what we think about the difference in of the 3d model between standard and premium ones.

Could have fooled me. The last few pages have been Forza vs GT. I don't think it's the first time this thread has been derailed by Forza fans either. At the risk of repeating myself once again (4 or 5 times in this thread), the differences between Standard and Premium do not bother me when the driving is the same.

 

[analog]

Then please drive away........

 

[Luminis]

You are missing the point. Why waste so much time arguing about the small details? Is not the point of a driving game, well the driving?

And what are you driving in the game? Cars, I guess. And some karts as well. The cars are an integral part of a driving game, are they not?

 

[maxpontiac]

Yes let's just talk about all the good things and magically all the bad things will disappear despite the fact these good aspects are as off-topic regarding this thread as talking about how good the cars look in a thread discussing physics......

What GT5 is about for me I decide for myself ( and yes driving is the main attraction, that's like saying FIFA is about football, duh! ) and that isn't even close to the topic being discussed.
If someone dares to critizise an element of GT5 you just want to change the subject? Talk about being a fanboy.

Then please drive away........

Not trying to change the subject at all. Just attempting to interject reasoning into this thread and remind everyone why we play GT5 and Forza 3 in the first place.

Plus, I have never said I wasn't disappointed about the Standard car issue. You made an assumption in that regard. Oh well. I'll still play and enjoy game. I just choose not have 100 posts on the subject...over...and...over...again.

You can cry foul to your hearts content, sir.

 

[maxpontiac]

And what are you driving in the game? Cars, I guess. And some karts as well. The cars are an integral part of a driving game, are they not?

Agreed. The cars are. But the difference is, I choose not to reach the level of "the sky is falling"..

I guess it all comes down to me not beginning a voyage of never ending unhappiness in a video game. LOL

 

[SlipZtrEm]

You can take it anyway you like. You can also call it side tracking the discussion. As I have stated, and will state for the 3rd time, both of them look fine to me. GT5 and Forza 3 are all about the driving. It's amazing how so many people here complain and whine endlessly, hence being nothing more then forum trolls.

Being endlessly positive and ignoring any possible negatives is equally trolling, really.

Could have fooled me. The last few pages have been Forza vs GT. I don't think it's the first time this thread has been derailed by Forza fans either. At the risk of repeating myself once again (4 or 5 times in this thread), the differences between Standard and Premium do not bother me when the driving is the same.

It's fine if they don't bother you. As has also been restated numerous times in this thread, that's not really a counter-argument to "they are last-generation models that don't measure up to the standards of this generation of racers". Your opinion that they're acceptable is perfectly, well, acceptable. But that doesn't somehow make the Standard models anything other than 5 year old, one-piece models, that can't compare to modern car models from numerous other games.

 

[Luminis]

I guess it all comes down to me not beginning a voyage of never ending unhappiness in a video game. LOL

I doubt that anyone who's complaining in here is going to cry themselves to sleep over it IRL.

 

[analog]

And maxpontiac, who are you to tell us what aspects of the game should be considered more important?
It's a bit narrowminded ( and that's an understatement ) to assume we should all feel the same way about this game as you.
For all I care people should be free to decide if they only played it for the visual aspects it provides ( I don't by the way, but it still is an important aspect to a lot of people ).
And as for whining, you're the one whining that we discuss an aspect you find inferior, if so why even bother to participate?
And calling those who do complain trolls whilst at the same time trying to change the main subject of this thread is frankly hilarious.

 

[maxpontiac]

Being endlessly positive and ignoring any possible negatives is equally trolling, really.

It's fine if they don't bother you. As has also been restated numerous times in this thread, that's not really a counter-argument to "they are last-generation models that don't measure up to the standards of this generation of racers". Your opinion that they're acceptable is perfectly, well, acceptable. But that doesn't somehow make the Standard models anything other than 5 year old, one-piece models, that can't compare to modern car models from numerous other games.

So, you are going to tell me that's the ONLY time you have stated your gripe about the Standard issue in this entire forum?

And now what? Shall I become emotionally distressed over it as others? Life is way to important to get "disappointed" in a video game.

 

[sher_da_putt]

What the 🤬 are you smokin'?

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Im sorry I meant I know it will look better.

 

[Devedander]

Just putting this out there... what is everyone basing their feelings about standard car model quality on?

Are you basing it on videos? Stills from videos? What you imagine they should look like? What you think PD could possibly achieve? Just going with they will be awesome because previous GT's have been awesome?

Because from what I have seen and what's reasonable to believe can change between now and nov 2 I really don't see a lot of wiggle room, yet the responses are so varied.
So without all the confusion of debate and back and forth, I would just like to ask where people are getting their points of view from.

 

[analog]

And now what? Shall I become emotionally distressed over it as others? Life is way to important to get "disappointed" in a video game.

Context isn't your forté now is it? Being critical and expressing it equals somehow being emotionally distressed?
My life's fine by the way and that hasn't got anything to do with expressing how I feel about a certain game on a forum dedicated to it.
I can easily separate the two and they don't affect each other dramatically or slightly even, that doesn't mean I can't feel and express disappointment for the possible direction a mere videogame ( which will undoubtedly take up quite some hours of my life in the coming years ) is possibly going.

 

[Devedander]

So, you are going to tell me that's the ONLY time you have stated your gripe about the Standard issue in this entire forum?

And now what? Shall I become emotionally distressed over it as others? Life is way to important to get "disappointed" in a video game.

For someone who strongly grasps the importance of "life" over trivial things like video games, you seem awfully invested getting worked up over people talking about something you don't think is worth getting worked up about in the first place...

 

[Luminis]

Just putting this out there... what is everyone basing their feelings about standard car model quality on?

Are you basing it on videos? Stills from videos? What you imagine they should look like? What you think PD could possibly achieve? Just going with they will be awesome because previous GT's have been awesome?

For me, it's the trailer and screenshots from the trailer for the overall looks of the standards. I'm taking GT4 into consideration for the quality of the 3D models, though, since that's what they've been ported over from.

 

[Devedander]

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Im sorry I meant I know it will look better.

Unfortunate lighting asside, I don't see and jagged corners and edges on the SUV where it should be round... in direct comparison the C5R looks almost like it's made with oragami.

 

[JDMKING13]

You've already admitted to not really knowing what you're talking about in regards to the graphics, so that's fine. Mind you, if I shrunk down any games' screenshots to a measly 500px-wide image, they'd look great too. It minimizes detail errors, and is common in the GT4 Galleries for precisely that reason. You'll see the jaggies and smudgy textures far, far more on any decent-sized TV.

Ah Slip you gotta be like that . Whatever man when i said i know nothing about graphics and rendering I was talking about on the technical side. I gave you props on your pics saying they where nice you had no problem with that, but now I know nothing about graphics because I said those standard pics look good. For making them little I always make the pics little so they don't take up huge space on the board.

In the end i'm glad we got 800 standard cars. They might not be up to the premium level but they are still good enough for me to enjoy 👍

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Just putting this out there... what is everyone basing their feelings about standard car model quality on?

Are you basing it on videos? Stills from videos? What you imagine they should look like? What you think PD could possibly achieve? Just going with they will be awesome because previous GT's have been awesome?

Because from what I have seen and what's reasonable to believe can change between now and nov 2 I really don't see a lot of wiggle room, yet the responses are so varied.
So without all the confusion of debate and back and forth, I would just like to ask where people are getting their points of view from.

A combination, for me. Videos, and what I think PD could achieve (based on time). It's been 5 years, and will be nearly 6 between GT4 and GT5 being released. While I'm happy with all the features added in (so far, we still don't know how limited night/day might be in the game), I'm really quite surprised this time has netted us a total of 200 newly-designed cars. That the other 800 are just carried-over from GT4 is not something that would ever be considered acceptable for any other franchise, but somehow it's painted as a "bonus" by rabid GT fans. Not updated in any real sense; the reflections and physics aren't the models, afterall.

The defense from the followers that PD just can't hire more modellers, and that somehow that's Sony limiting them, seems kind of weak too: if Sony had any power over PD, we would've have sat through all these delays. While I'm all for the idea of someone enforcing some kind of deadlines on PD in the future (to ensure this doesn't happen again), it seems Sony doesn't have a lot of say with them.

Ah Slip you gotta be like that . Whatever man when i said i know nothing about graphics and rendering I was talking about on the technical side. I gave you props on your pics saying they where nice you had no problem with that, but now I know nothing about graphics because I said those standard pics look good. For making them little I always make the pics little so they don't take up huge space on the board.

In the end i'm glad we got 800 standard cars. They might not be up to the premium level but they are still good enough for me to enjoy 👍

Hmmm, it wasn't meant to sound so negative; I was just re-stating what you said!

My point stands though; thumbnails look cleaner than full-size images for that reason. That's all I meant by it, that those shrunken images aren't remotely representative of what we'd see in the final game. GT4 looks smudgy and jaggy on my LED, if the car models are the same in GT5, it still will look jaggy (and smudgy if they don't clean up the textures). That's all I meant by that.

I'm even going so far as to say we'll race once it's out. We can even use the Standards .

(As for my gallery; I'll be first to admit it's not very representative of GT4... hence why it looks good )