GT4 WRS Week 50 : "Fighting on the Ring again"
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Tedehur
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A few things I'd like to say :
1)
You can AI on any kind of tyres, even if you are using a different type.
Yet, I've been asked by PM whether it would be allowed to use AI slipstream to get extra km/h, and I found it "against the spirit of the rules".
I wanted to know if any of you already does this without having mentioned, or if you all think it should be forbidden ?
2)
We thoroughly discussed Stroker Ace's situation with him over PM. Since he has no replay device yet and no big hope to get one within the next couple of weeks, his time will be unofficial (or DQed, call it what you want).
He was proposing to tone down his time, which I found stupid : if he can drive fast, then I find it better to drive fast and be unofficial rather than drive slowly so as not to be requested to provide a replay.
He can always keep is replay on the memcard and post it later when he eventually has a replay device.
3)
I found this racing line of the Ring pretty interesting, don't know if it has already been posted on GTP.
1)
You can AI on any kind of tyres, even if you are using a different type.
Yet, I've been asked by PM whether it would be allowed to use AI slipstream to get extra km/h, and I found it "against the spirit of the rules".
I wanted to know if any of you already does this without having mentioned, or if you all think it should be forbidden ?
2)
We thoroughly discussed Stroker Ace's situation with him over PM. Since he has no replay device yet and no big hope to get one within the next couple of weeks, his time will be unofficial (or DQed, call it what you want).
He was proposing to tone down his time, which I found stupid : if he can drive fast, then I find it better to drive fast and be unofficial rather than drive slowly so as not to be requested to provide a replay.
He can always keep is replay on the memcard and post it later when he eventually has a replay device.
3)
I found this racing line of the Ring pretty interesting, don't know if it has already been posted on GTP.
- 2,342
- Camboriu - Braz
- FASJ6418
Flat-out
first,thanks for the link. second, i think that sometimes OLR rules gets a bit too crazy. forbid slipstream? why? we are suppose to emulate a real race right? i think slipstream should not even be an issue,that´s up to the driver´s ability to find a good slipstream... IMO
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- Leicestershire
- davegeorge78
Flat-out
I cant understand why you would want to slipstream the AI? You would have to set him on a much faster car/tyre and hope to catch him at just the right point, then after you gained all of about .5 after slipstreaming him chances are he will ram you at the next corner, I much prefer leaving AI on 0 difficulty and N3 tyres, he moves to the left after turn 1 and i go straight past without having to lift or compromise my line, then I can forget about him. Even setting the Ai to -10 can compromise your line into turn 1 somtimes.....
David
Tedehur
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The WRSer who PMed me about it says his speed increases in the straight from 220 km/h without slipstream to 260 km/h with slipstream.
That means a few seconds on the lap time to me, and it's therefore worth being asked.
I would personally vote no slipstream but I don't want to decide this by myself and would like to have your opinion about this.
That means a few seconds on the lap time to me, and it's therefore worth being asked.
I would personally vote no slipstream but I don't want to decide this by myself and would like to have your opinion about this.
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- ferrari_chris
The slipstreaming will remove some of the skill aspect from the race however. The winner of the week could be determined because they caught the slipstream at just the right point.
Should the results should be decided on luck?
Should the results should be decided on luck?
- 3,105
- GTP_MisterWeary
Well I never imagined it would be a problem?!? I have been using slipstreaming, I set the AI to +10 and on Sports Softs and I get an older model Skyline as my opponent. I can slip stream him all the way until T2 but from there he moves away from me and at T3 he's far enough in front that I'm not getting any assistance whatsoever, I was hoping over the week to use him a little longer but he finishes the race a good 12-15 seconds in front of me.
I can't see how a 2'06 or even 2'07 is possible without some slipstreaming. I am on the verge of slipping off the track all the way to T3 and the best I've ever seen (including some good slipstreaming) was a 2'08.9xx, this week is T-O-U-G-H !!! If it's decided that slipstreaming shouldn't be used then I'll change my method but it's just a racing technique in my opinion?!?
I can't see how a 2'06 or even 2'07 is possible without some slipstreaming. I am on the verge of slipping off the track all the way to T3 and the best I've ever seen (including some good slipstreaming) was a 2'08.9xx, this week is T-O-U-G-H !!! If it's decided that slipstreaming shouldn't be used then I'll change my method but it's just a racing technique in my opinion?!?
- 2,342
- Camboriu - Braz
- FASJ6418
if we can´t slipstream (with is a part of a racing technich) and everybody wants to get rid of the AI ASAP, then why are we running a single race? just to carry extra weight from the fuel? i might be wrong, but slipstream is part of racing, and requires a lot o skill to be sucessful at... so its not all based on luck IMO
- 908
- NW England
- Red_Leader
I've been doing exactly the same. It never crossed my mind it would be frowned upon though. I've been slipstreaming, on and off, right up until Bergwerk (don't know what T time this is near). Also like you, i feel without slipstreaming i wouldn't be anywhere; I'd be 2 seconds down at T2. I wouldn't like to see it disallowed. After all, it's available to anyone who wants to do it. And in most case it makes driving harder because having a car in front can be distracting and can sometimes block your view of corners and there's also the chance of making contact. But it's a risk i'm willing to take and it seems to be paying off. At least it'll make the replays a bit more interesting.MisterWeary
- 2,756
- Carlisle,Cumbria,England!
- Ballstothewall1
Been playing with AI set to -10 and getting past b4 the first corner, and setting the AI on anything from +4-+7 with varying tyres for them.
Have found that with the AI set to +5 or +6 and sports-softs or mediums, I can hang onto the slipstream till t4 or even later if I can get the lines right out of the corners onto the fast bits.
However the speed benifits are offset by the lack of downforce, compromised lines/braking points/lack of visability, etc,etc.
And to be honest, I haven't settled on the variables, or managed a completely clean lap yet, so I don't really have some solid splits on which to base this argument........But
in conclusion,
Correct choice about slipstreaming Cyril, it's part of racing, it has it's up & down-sides which sort of balance out.
And therefore should be allowed, IMHO
Neil
Have found that with the AI set to +5 or +6 and sports-softs or mediums, I can hang onto the slipstream till t4 or even later if I can get the lines right out of the corners onto the fast bits.
However the speed benifits are offset by the lack of downforce, compromised lines/braking points/lack of visability, etc,etc.
And to be honest, I haven't settled on the variables, or managed a completely clean lap yet, so I don't really have some solid splits on which to base this argument........But
in conclusion,
Correct choice about slipstreaming Cyril, it's part of racing, it has it's up & down-sides which sort of balance out.
And therefore should be allowed, IMHO
Neil
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Never even thought about using slipstream, I just leave the AI set to 0 and pass after the first corner. I find trying to keep in line behind AI cars too distracting to be of any use so I don't think I will be doing it.
New Splits:
T3 - 2,08.449
T6 - 4,31.683
T9 - 6,46.793
Getting there slowly!
New Splits:
T3 - 2,08.449
T6 - 4,31.683
T9 - 6,46.793
Getting there slowly!
- 812
- Leicestershire
- davegeorge78
Tried another car tonight, less power.....but quicker!! Just when I thought i had it worked out...
T3 = 2'09.787
T6 = 4'33.164
T9 = 6'47.671
Overall 1.540 up on previous best lap:tup:
No slipstreaming....
regards
David
T3 = 2'09.787
T6 = 4'33.164
T9 = 6'47.671
Overall 1.540 up on previous best lap:tup:
No slipstreaming....
regards
David
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The times I've done so far have been extremely competitive without any slipstream whatsoever. I just set the AI to -10 and blasted past him before the first curve. That way, I would not have to worry about any contact throughout the race with the highly unskilled AI driver. But, if everyone does it and it makes a big difference in split times, I guess I'll have no choice but to try and coordinate myself with the AI driver and slipstream for some sections, although this could mean having to compromise my cornering in some areas so I can get behind them.
Also, great Nurburgring guide flatout. Anyone having difficulty with a particular section should give the guide a look; the line they take is perfect. Although for the purposes of this race, the braking zones provided are useless; the sport softs that most of us will be using have a grip level similar to a racing slick in real life. (Comforts in GT4 are a much better compound for anyone wanting to experience real world performance; the braking points in the guide are pretty much the same as the ones I use when driving on comfort tires around the ring).
Also, great Nurburgring guide flatout. Anyone having difficulty with a particular section should give the guide a look; the line they take is perfect. Although for the purposes of this race, the braking zones provided are useless; the sport softs that most of us will be using have a grip level similar to a racing slick in real life. (Comforts in GT4 are a much better compound for anyone wanting to experience real world performance; the braking points in the guide are pretty much the same as the ones I use when driving on comfort tires around the ring).
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- Drew22
Okay, once again I found the perfect car! Good thing there aren't dozens of them. I am finally ready to actually race, and finding the right combo to slipstream effectivly is a whole other story!
Sec.3 2'11.181
Sec.6 4'37.381
Sec.9 6'54.972
Been fun so far.
Sec.3 2'11.181
Sec.6 4'37.381
Sec.9 6'54.972
Been fun so far.
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- PpR_Junkyardspec or GTP_Junkyardspec
- PpR Junkyard
Yup, I havent been slipstreaming either. I try to actually get on the AI cars good side so it doesnt shove me in the grass, and piss me off, causing me to roll down my window blow out its tire. When the car flips i get out of mine drag the driver out, ask if hes ok. If he says yes, I start bashing his head on the 'Rings pavement until i can see the graffiti of the pavement thru his head.
Then I get back in my car hit the restart button and try to get around him again.
Then I get back in my car hit the restart button and try to get around him again.
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neither had i, i might have to also give it a go...VTRacingI hadn't even thought of using it...
I was aiming to get by the AI asap; it looks like I'll have to do a rethink.
👍 interesting concept, slipsteaming. Must admit, I have given it thought before the post here. But, with the "no contact" of WRS, I've opted for the safer approach of the others, blowing by before the first turn. Then all I have to do is put in a clean lap 
My splits put me between Andy and Neil.... which is faster than I expected 👍 The "ring" and I 
... I don't know.. one lap I can see everything... the banking, my in point... know where I'm reaching for.... the next.... 
.... just not enough time on this track...
👍 Cyril 👍 love the concept this week
a little suspense
at least it's asphalt
My splits put me between Andy and Neil.... which is faster than I expected 👍 The "ring" and I ... I don't know.. one lap I can see everything... the banking, my in point... know where I'm reaching for.... the next.... .... just not enough time on this track... 👍 Cyril 👍 love the concept this week
a little suspense
at least it's asphalt
- 3,105
- GTP_MisterWeary
Well without slipstreaming I lose at least 1 second by T3. I've tried with and without slipstreaming a few times with a few cars and I'm slow without it. Having said that, you folk who are getting 2'08 or lower without it are INSANELY fast...so insane infact that I am scared 
Here are my new splits:
T3: 2'09.049
T6: 4'32.751
T9: 6'49.333
I know I'm losing most of my time from T6 - T9 but where it can be found is a mystery to me
My lap is certainly not perfect but I can't see whole seconds worth of improvement? Anyway I'll keep cracking away...
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Here are my new splits:T3: 2'09.049
T6: 4'32.751
T9: 6'49.333
I know I'm losing most of my time from T6 - T9 but where it can be found is a mystery to me
My lap is certainly not perfect but I can't see whole seconds worth of improvement? Anyway I'll keep cracking away...Board Updated
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- ferrari_chris
Woo hoo! Some clean splits, and no slipstreaming involved:
T1: 2:08.626
T2: 4:28.509
T3: 6:43.417
T1: 2:08.626
T2: 4:28.509
T3: 6:43.417
- 812
- Leicestershire
- davegeorge78
ferrari_chrisWoo hoo! Some clean splits, and no slipstreaming involved:
T1: 2:08.626
T2: 4:28.509
T3: 6:43.417
Another D2 nearly as quick as Dan down to T6.....
Quick note to MisterWeary - I use a DS2 not a DFP as shown in the leaderboard:tup:
regards
David
- 2,342
- Camboriu - Braz
- FASJ6418
i can only say one thing about this week so far: it looks like i´m going full speed with the 3 cars that i found and have a chance to win, but i´m yet to see less than... 6´54 at T9... it really bugs me...
somebody cursed/jinx me after my win and now i´m struggling with WRS... (dan?
) well, after a clueless rally week, i move on to a clueless road tires week... and i really want to learn the ring, since this is my first combo there...
i guess its all about the suspension, i can´t let the car roll from one side to the other, kills my speed... i just have to remember not to drive like a race car, but more as my real car... which btw, needs new shocks...
it looks like i´m going full speed with the 3 cars that i found and have a chance to win, but i´m yet to see less than... 6´54 at T9... it really bugs me...somebody cursed/jinx me after my win and now i´m struggling with WRS... (dan?
) well, after a clueless rally week, i move on to a clueless road tires week... and i really want to learn the ring, since this is my first combo there...i guess its all about the suspension, i can´t let the car roll from one side to the other, kills my speed... i just have to remember not to drive like a race car, but more as my real car... which btw, needs new shocks...
- 703
T3: 2'08.085
T6: 4'30.657
T9: 6'45.258
little dark about these times coz i dropped a bit more than a second through T4-T9 hope to get it by the end of this...
what tyres are you using?
T6: 4'30.657
T9: 6'45.258
little dark about these times coz i dropped a bit more than a second through T4-T9 hope to get it by the end of this...
ferrari_chris
what tyres are you using?
- 3,105
- GTP_MisterWeary
Wow!
I don't get it? I've put probably 5-6 hours into this so far and my results from the last 10-20 weeks would suggest I'm no slow poke. I know the ring back to front and the last time we raced it I did pretty well, but I'm getting my rear end handed to me by everyone?!? I've tested all the cars I can find that have a drop top and a capacity of 1.8 and I'm confident I'm racing the car that is the best of the ones I'm testing?
So far I don't like this race at all, if I knew I was being beaten by people racing the same car or a car I know about and have tested then it would be different but I don't know where/how/why I'm so slow this week?
I've searched the net for a list of cars sorted by capacity or a list of convertibles...no luck. I've scoured the car lots in GT looking for convertibles and found nothing new. If it gets to results time and I find I'm beaten by every man and his dog when they were racing a car I knew about then that's fine...all credit to those people 👍 but if I get to the end and find out there was a car I didn't find or know about...what exactly does that say? I wasn't knowledgable enough on the car list for Gran Turismo? If this was a Trivia Competition then maybe that kind of task would be appropriate but this is a race series. This "hidden-car" thing gets a big 👎 from me.
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I don't get it? I've put probably 5-6 hours into this so far and my results from the last 10-20 weeks would suggest I'm no slow poke. I know the ring back to front and the last time we raced it I did pretty well, but I'm getting my rear end handed to me by everyone?!? I've tested all the cars I can find that have a drop top and a capacity of 1.8 and I'm confident I'm racing the car that is the best of the ones I'm testing?
So far I don't like this race at all, if I knew I was being beaten by people racing the same car or a car I know about and have tested then it would be different but I don't know where/how/why I'm so slow this week?
I've searched the net for a list of cars sorted by capacity or a list of convertibles...no luck. I've scoured the car lots in GT looking for convertibles and found nothing new. If it gets to results time and I find I'm beaten by every man and his dog when they were racing a car I knew about then that's fine...all credit to those people 👍 but if I get to the end and find out there was a car I didn't find or know about...what exactly does that say? I wasn't knowledgable enough on the car list for Gran Turismo? If this was a Trivia Competition then maybe that kind of task would be appropriate but this is a race series. This "hidden-car" thing gets a big 👎 from me.
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