2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery

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What about them? I don't consider them super cars either. Sports cars? Yes. Track cars? Yes again. They are fast, they are expensive, but they just aren't supercars in my opinion. Like I said others may classify them as supercars, I don't. What makes a sports car leap into supercar territory is very gray and varies greatly from person to person.

A Ford GT is a supercar, a Pagani Zonda is a supercar, a Ferrari Enzo is a supercar, etc. you get the point.
 
How is that being narrow minded? It's an extremely gray area what makes a supercar a supercar, ask 100 people, they will all give you different answers. I didn't say "There is no way a GT-R can be a supercar and that's that". It's merely my opinion on the matter. My view on a supercar is something that isn't overly practical, has the engine in the back, and really turns heads when you go somewhere.

You seem to me to come off as a Nissan Skyline "fanboy" and I'm terribly sorry I don't love the car like you do. I frankly would rather have something else for the money then a $70,000 Nissan. To me Nissan will always be another Japanese version of Chevy, a couple quick cars but rather generic and just meh. The US was deprived of the Skyline for so long I personally do not think it will take off here at all, aside from a couple people who buy it because it's different.
 
Where I took the GT-R over the Aston Martin, I'd take the Carrera over the GT-R.
The Carrera is the perfect blend of sophisticated road car and amazing track car. 👍
Porsche is hard to beat most of the time and I wouldn't think it is an different here... Of course, I have a weak spot for Porsches. In fact, I'd probably take a Cayman S over a Carrera, which means I'd take the inferior Cayman S over the GT-R.
While there is a side of me that loves the idea of driving something as gnarly as a GT-R I just couldn't deny the oh-so-beautiful Cayman S. 👍
 
Leonidae
True, but it would cause some confusion and mistakes between these two cars.
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Only to those who do not know better.

Leonidae
*cough* supercar now..*cough* :sly:
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Never. I would never consider the GT-R a supercar in any way.

Supercars to me are hella expensive, extreme performance/power, & are of the highest quality in cars (hand-built/paid attention to through out the build process, tested thoroughly, & are of the utmost class). Let's not forget extremely rare, but that's due to price.
Leonidae
But that's the point.. Skyline IS sportscar, GT-R is SUPERCAR, since GT-R and Skyline are no longer related to each other. similar shape, maybe, but totally different cars and platforms.
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No, the Skyline was a small sports car like a Mustang. The GT-R was a sports car. Now, the Skyline is a sport-luxury car. The GT-R is still a sports car.

Leonidae
what about SLR, 599 Fiorano and the likes of those?
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I consider those supercars. They fit all the things I listed. Expensive at around $500,000 a piece, with both having over 600 horses on tap. And of course, they are of the highest quality from both companies.
 
GT-R's engine and driveline/transmission are handbuilt. it's 2+2 coupe just like 599/SLR, it's heavy, luxurious and damn fast. it has exotic materials in it, advanced aerodynamics to keep it on the road, and electronic damper control. it might not run on zebra's blood , and the seats aren't made out of baby gorillas hides, but it IS a japanese supercar.
 
Leonidae
GT-R's engine and driveline/transmission are handbuilt. it's 2+2 coupe just like 599/SLR, it's heavy, luxurious and damn fast. it has exotic materials in it, advanced aerodynamics to keep it on the road, and electronic damper control. it might not run on zebra's blood , and the seats aren't made out of baby gorillas hides, but it IS a japanese supercar.
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Is the whole car built & assembled by hand though? Does it go through these kinds of tests like the Ferrari & Mercedes?
McLaren
However, before the car can be shipped to the customer it must undergo a strict regime of tests to meet the highest of quality standards.

First each car visits the set-up bay to correctly set the suspension geometry, before being put on a four-post hydrapulse simulator to identify any squeaks and rattles. Each car is then put through 40 minutes on a rolling road at up to 250 km/h to reaffirm all the mechanical and electronic systems.

The car then visits the Monsoon booth where it’s sprayed by very high pressure jets to check seal integrity.

After passing these tests the Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren gets taken for a shakedown at the Dunsfold race-circuit to check the ride and handling of the vehicle, as well as bedding in the vehicles ceramic brake system.
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Are you being given a car of the highest standards, and quality?

I'll bet you the answer is no to all of these. I wouldn't be surprise if the building process is a little more human-involved, but I still doubt the process is anywhere near a supercar. The GT-R not going through these isn't surprising though. It's a $70,000 car, not an automobile Nissan would bring you out to see.
 
Joey D
How is that being narrow minded? It's an extremely gray area what makes a supercar a supercar, ask 100 people, they will all give you different answers. I didn't say "There is no way a GT-R can be a supercar and that's that". It's merely my opinion on the matter. My view on a supercar is something that isn't overly practical, has the engine in the back, and really turns heads when you go somewhere.

You seem to me to come off as a Nissan Skyline "fanboy" and I'm terribly sorry I don't love the car like you do. I frankly would rather have something else for the money then a $70,000 Nissan. To me Nissan will always be another Japanese version of Chevy, a couple quick cars but rather generic and just meh. The US was deprived of the Skyline for so long I personally do not think it will take off here at all, aside from a couple people who buy it because it's different.
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The current Corvette is a supercar, and the engine is in the front. "Your view" is wrong.

But yea, a GT-R is not a supercar.

EDIT: I love how you said "$70,000 Nissan" and lumped the entire brand into a pile of crap. That says "ignorance" pretty clearly.

Leonidae
GT-R's engine and driveline/transmission are handbuilt. it's 2+2 coupe just like 599/SLR, it's heavy, luxurious and damn fast. it has exotic materials in it, advanced aerodynamics to keep it on the road, and electronic damper control. it might not run on zebra's blood , and the seats aren't made out of baby gorillas hides, but it IS a japanese supercar.
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The NSX was widely known as Japan's only supercar. The GT-R is a sport car.
 
Perfect Balance
The current Corvette is a supercar, and the engine is in the front. "Your view" is wrong.
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The Corvette has always been America's sports car. Like the GT-R, I class it as a sports car as well.

Engine position should have no affect though. I mean, the 599 has the Enzo's engine, it just does things differently.

But in regards to Leon, I take back classifying the 599 as a direct supercar. I would list it more of a Grand Tourer, but with supercar traits.
 
*McLaren*
The Corvette has always been America's sports car. Like the GT-R, I class it as a sports car as well.

Engine position should have no affect though. I mean, the 599 has the Enzo's engine, it just does things differently.

But in regards to Leon, I take back classifying the 599 as a direct supercar. I would list more of a car Grand Tourer, but with supercar traits.
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And the corvette was always only kind of good(a sports car), until the current model came out. It's moved out of sports car territory now.
 
you fellows just cand stand a thought that blue collar brand like Nissan can build something that rivals cars that are multiple classes higher. I'm not saying that GT-R is challenging Carrera GT or other hypercars, but other super GT cars.. for now. and every GT-R goes through just as accurate testing as SLR. one of the standards for the new GT-R is that the passengers can have a conversation at 180mph without raising their voices. Every GT-R has been driven for some hundred miles on Nissans test track before they're moved onwards to wait the delivery.
 
Leonidae
you fellows just cand stand a thought that blue collar brand like Nissan can build something that rivals cars that are multiple classes higher. I'm not saying that GT-R is challenging Carrera GT or other hypercars, but other super GT cars.. for now. and every GT-R goes through just as accurate testing as SLR. one of the standards for the new GT-R is that the passengers can have a conversation at 180mph without raising their voices. Every GT-R has been driven for some hundred miles on Nissans test track before they're moved onwards to wait the delivery.
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I highly doubt a GT-R goes through any of the processes supercar does. At all. It's a $70,000 car, not a millionaire's driveway dream.

The GT-R will always remain a sports car. Until I see a magazine such as Sport Auto getting the GT-R to hit the times of the 911 Turbo, Vette, & F430 on their terms, I will always class it as such. If it can hit those times, then I'd list it as a high-performance sports car. But never a supercar.
Perfect Balance
And the corvette was always only kind of good(a sports car), until the current model came out. It's moved out of sports car territory now.
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The Z06 is, as I said above, something around the lines of high-performance sports car like Ferrari F430. It's still far from being a supercar.

There's more to being a supercar than just hanging with them on a track.
 
Leonidae
you fellows just cand stand a thought that blue collar brand like Nissan can build something that rivals cars that are multiple classes higher. I'm not saying that GT-R is challenging Carrera GT or other hypercars, but other super GT cars.. for now. and every GT-R goes through just as accurate testing as SLR. one of the standards for the new GT-R is that the passengers can have a conversation at 180mph without raising their voices. Every GT-R has been driven for some hundred miles on Nissans test track before they're moved onwards to wait the delivery.
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The Skyline is probably in my top ten favorite cars. It's a great car, but it's just not a Super car. The fact that it was a sport car with supercar abilities is was makes it so special. That is the reason most Japanese car enthusiast love Japan so much. They make cars that rival cars of much higher class.
 
*McLaren*
There's more to being a supercar than just hanging with them on a track.
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Which is why the GT-R is a sports car.

The corvette has all the traits of any other supercar besides the common MR layout. There's plenty of FR supercars though, so that's not exactly a deciding factor.

EDIT: Dammit double post.
 
Leonidae
it's 2+2 coupe just like 599/SLR
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wait a 599 and slr has rear seats? hold on i have a £180 599 model and a £150 slr model plus i see a 599 everyday and know someone who owns an slr......nope they deffo dont have any rear seats at all unless you count the parcel shelf as the 2 seats?
 
Maybe you can sit between the seats.....💡
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Let me quote Nissan's press release again..:

One of the many unusual tests that the Nissan GT-R had to pass, before going on sale, was to be able to cruise at 300 km/h (186.4 mph) and allow easy conversation - without the raising of voices - between the two front seat passengers. 'The car has to be easy and relaxing to drive fast,' says Mizuno. 'It has to be no-fuss - even at 300 km/h/.'
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New Nissan GT-R: the 21st Century supercar for anyone, anywhere, anytime

The new Nissan GT-R may well be the most accomplished and technologically advanced high performance car ever made. One of the world's fastest vehicles (including a production car lap record at the famous Nürburgring in Germany), it is also probably the world's easiest and most secure high-speed car to drive fast.
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" a supercar which offers a safety and a high performance supercar life for anyone, anywhere, at anytime" . It is a supercar that offers speed and fuel efficiency, power and clean air, high performance and safety. Nissan's new GT-R, a multi-performance supercar, creates a whole new position for supercars.
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Manufacturing and pre-delivery testing:
In creating its new-generation supercar, Nissan designed an entirely new production system. The Nissan GT-R benefits from production procedures that include higher precision tolerance control for all body parts, vibration testing of all bodies to ensure superb torsional rigidity and strength, the use of specially designed precision machine tools and extra assembly steps that reflect the high technology and premium nature of the vehicle. All Nissan GT-Rs are built in Nissan's Tochigi factory in Japan. It's the same factory where Infiniti models are built. In addition, much of the Nissan GT-R's assembly is done by hand, reflecting the complex nature of the vehicle and its hand crafted precision. Engines (built at Yokohama) and transmissions are hand made. In every case a single engineer hand assembles each engine and transmission.
Each car is conducted a break-in drive before shipping in addition to its regular inspections, so the very earliest use of the brakes, transmission and suspension will be smooth for the customer. The vehicle is fully inspected before customer delivery.
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and you still say it's not a Japanese supercar?
 
After the conflicting statements of the 7:38 time, the last company I'm going to believe on calling the GT-R a supercar is Nissan.
It may be a Japanese supercar, but it is not a real supercar.
 
you two just are blinded by the badges. Admit it, there's a new kid in the block of the snobby old farts, who don't want to accept anyone to their exclusive little world of nappa leather and poor drivers.
 
Going more in-depth.
One of the many unusual tests that the Nissan GT-R had to pass, before going on sale, was to be able to cruise at 300 km/h (186.4 mph) and allow easy conversation - without the raising of voices - between the two front seat passengers. 'The car has to be easy and relaxing to drive fast,' says Mizuno. 'It has to be no-fuss - even at 300 km/h/.'
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This does not define a supercar.

New Nissan GT-R: the 21st Century supercar for anyone, anywhere, anytime

The new Nissan GT-R may well be the most accomplished and technologically advanced high performance car ever made. One of the world's fastest vehicles (including a production car lap record at the famous Nürburgring in Germany), it is also probably the world's easiest and most secure high-speed car to drive fast.
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Still nothing. It's a supercar in Japanese terms, but it is not a supercar. As I said, running with supercars does not make the car a supercar.

" a supercar which offers a safety and a high performance supercar life for anyone, anywhere, at anytime" . It is a supercar that offers speed and fuel efficiency, power and clean air, high performance and safety. Nissan's new GT-R, a multi-performance supercar, creates a whole new position for supercars.
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Saying supercar 5 times still doesn't mean you're a supercar, either.

Manufacturing and pre-delivery testing:
In creating its new-generation supercar, Nissan designed an entirely new production system. The Nissan GT-R benefits from production procedures that include higher precision tolerance control for all body parts, vibration testing of all bodies to ensure superb torsional rigidity and strength, the use of specially designed precision machine tools and extra assembly steps that reflect the high technology and premium nature of the vehicle. All Nissan GT-Rs are built in Nissan's Tochigi factory in Japan. It's the same factory where Infiniti models are built. In addition, much of the Nissan GT-R's assembly is done by hand, reflecting the complex nature of the vehicle and its hand crafted precision. Engines (built at Yokohama) and transmissions are hand made. In every case a single engineer hand assembles each engine and transmission.
Each car is conducted a break-in drive before shipping in addition to its regular inspections, so the very earliest use of the brakes, transmission and suspension will be smooth for the customer. The vehicle is fully inspected before customer delivery.
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Hardly supercar procedure. I'll give it being hand-built, but even that is probably different.
A break-in drive means nothing, and tells me nothing. What? 2-3 laps? A break-in drive could even mean, they're just making sure it works.

Is the car being inspected throughout this process? Will Nissan actually take the car back to assembly line, and replace a fault? Will they put it back through those tests? Will the car be run for 30+minutes like the SLR? Will the company build the car to my exact specifications? I highly, highly doubt it.
 
Leonidae
you two just are blinded by the badges. Admit it, there's a new kid in the block of the snobby old farts, who don't want to accept anyone to their exclusive little world of nappa leather and poor drivers.
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supercars should do at least 200mph(one of the benchmarks per say that a supercar must meet)......this cant
 

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