1st Annual Fall Roadster Battle! FINAL RESULTS POSTED!!!

What have you done? i don't understand... Explain. What was this "crap"...??? A chassis reinforcement ??? This is after an experience like this , that i've stopped to use this thing.


Today will be a good GT5 day , lot of cars to test and tune.... I love the saturday.

Have a good saturday everybody.
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What I did was add stage three engine, carbon bonnet and stage three weight reduction :ouch: Would have been ok with just the hood car needed some weight added.....bought a new car and I'm over it, rebuilt(6million $$ man music please), and I got it down a full second to 28.5xx ...and in better hands maybe mid 27's....I'm off to bed after I get picture posted will get Tune up later;NEEDS SLEEP


Indy
 
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I did, but unfairly. I only drove your car for 5 laps, fastest was 1:29. I then applied some of my default springs settings. I like my spring rates softer than you usually make them. I could tell from your picture, before I even looked at your settings, that the springs would be hard :sly: With hard springs I find all inputs are 'immediate'. If I soften suspension, then I find inputs are 'delayed' a little. I lack the finer controls for fast, accurate driving.

Also I took out the 55kg ballast (as I only wanted to test the 'car', not necessarily your tune) and reset the weight distribution to 50/50. So there's a reason why I was faster :sly:

Without really doing more than 10-15 laps, I made 1:28s with the following:

RH: 0 / 0
SR: 9 / 8.9
EXT: 7 / 7
COM: 5 / 5
ARB: 3 / 3

All wheel alignment 0. Haven't tried any settings here yet. The car is quite tail happy. I was just about to run a few more laps with INT: 7 ACC: 14 BR: 7, but I had to turn the TV on for SoccerAM :D

My version of your car was 454PP, without the extra weight, so now you know why I was faster :)👍

{Cy}

Ok , now i understand. But yours springs are not a lot softer than mines. Strong springs after the 2.0 , don't seems to be the only thing that let the car like a piece of iron . For me now, the dampers are making a big difference , more than before.
Try this. Set hard springs ,strong dampers (like 9/8 or 10/9) and pass over the Autumn Ring kerbs , you'll jump much more than my car on the tune picture.
Let the same springs and set a low damper (like 4/3 or 3/2. Now you will see that you'll pass over very smoothly . This wasn't like this before 2.0, i feel the dampers were less sensitives with less influence on the stiffness of the car.

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Cone Killer Racing v2 (CKR v.2)

Indy's Pic: "The Jack-o-Lantern"

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Tune:
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reset final gear to 3.050 and then your done. CAR IS ON SHARE!!!!!

Indy
 
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Autumn Ring shootout, test results sheet-

Praiano63's Merc SLK- 1:27.012
A very loose car, especially when you brake. It's very easy to get its back kicking out. The car also responds quite well to trail braking. It also feels quite stiff, making it very quick to respond to my butter-fingered and clumsy inputs. The downside of this is that, when I land after hopping over the kerbs in the corners, it seems very unnerved by this move and feels like it's going to throw me off the track.

Krenkme's Chrysler Prowler- 1:28.927
Feels numb…or rather doesn't feel at all. Suffers from understeer when you exit a corner. Try to cure it with a bootful of power only causes it to push even further. It doesn't give any confidence to the driver, it's too remote. Also rather unpredictable in the respect that it will sometime choose to understeer, sometime choose to oversteer and on that rare occasion, it'll fail to steer at all. Also, gears are too short. Tops out at 120mph or something.

Tris_73's Honda S2000- 1:26.006
Very, very sharp. Not a car for the butter-fingered or lead-thumbed. Not very easy to drive compared to stock S2000s, but very easy to power out of corners sideways should you make a mistake. Also, braking causes the back to come round in a quick snap. Left-foot/finger braking cures this, but oversteer on exit of the corner is almost constant unless you're really precise with the throttle input.

VTiRoj's Honda S2000- 1:26.589
Steady as a rock compared to the other FRs. Which means it's easier, which in turn makes it faster for more of the time. Not a lot of excessive oversteer, feels very stable, doesn't have as much of an attitude issue as the others. Hints of understeer here and there when you get the line a bit wrong, only oversteers when you really have a go at it. Overall, very easy to drive, very quick, and also brings me in mind of a certain 3 year old, red, MR Honda. Yes, that one.

XDesperado67's Chevrolet SSR- 1:26.705
Very easy to drive. Almost too easy, in fact. It doesn't seem to have any 'limits' as such, or not that I can feel. In fact, I can hardly feel anything. It faster than it seems, the lack of power being a main contributor to this issue. Handling wise, there's plenty grip, the brakes can haul this 1.7 ton mammoth to a safe cornering speed without much issue and when you do overdo it, all it will do is gently step out of line with a hint of a slide. Very balanced. And very safe. An all round, pleasant to drive, if slightly dull, surprise.

IndyRacerfan's BMW Z4- 1:26.844
Quite the animal, this. The back feels very light and lively, the car reacts pretty much on the spot. It turns the moment you tell it to. It's a very sharp and responsive thing. As such, there is oversteer, but it's at a manageable level. There also some understeer when you exit the corner, not going sideways. Actually, I'd say this strikes the balance of grip and oversteer very well.

Dragonthing's Mazda Roadster RS- 1:25.924
Quick, sharp, eye-widening, packs a strong punch. Best way to describe this car. It's very much like an Orange Punch or whatever the drink is called. It's very predictable, drifty when you lift off, grippy when you gun it. There is a bit of understeer, and it's not as mad a car as I was hoping, but it's still a very, very good drive.

Rotary Junkie's S2000- 1:24.891
It's like an Amuse S2000 R1, only better. Two words best describe this car. Difficult, and epic. Topping the leaderboard on the first lap out* makes it epically fast, nearly killing me along the way makes it epically tricky and the fact that I'm still smiling from that drive means it's epic fun. It isn't perfect, the brakes make it very snappy and eager to turn into a corner and there is some understeer when you get your line really wrong. Overall though, I have to say that this already got a spot as my driver's choice. Good job…now tell me the secret behind that hyper overkill of rear camber.

CyKosis1973's Mazda Roadster RS- 1:26.372
Very easy to drive, encourages gentle driving. Can stick to the arse of the Civic Type R ghost car with ease, often being a nose ahead in the early sections. Has hints of understeer through those switchback chicane bits and just feels a little bit dull.

JohnnyPenso's Honda S2000- 1:25.202
Stable as a house, very responsive and fun. It's very neutral, there's little to no oversteer and no understeer at all. The brakes are a tad on the strong side, but it's no biggie. And the fact that it took the lead at the time of writing on the end of the first lap just shows how fast and easy it is. Overall, a very all round car.

Bigberry's Mazda Roadster RS- 1:26.114
Resembles Indy Racerfan's Z4 in handling. Very agile, slight understeer when pushed, gentle oversteer otherwise with a tendency of putting all its weight on the front outside tyre in those last corners. It still holds to its line very well in those situations, but it's just something to take note of. Gentleness is key. Good, steady and fun car to drive.

Sean10mm's Honda S2000- 1:25.481
Good fun. Rotates very well off throttle and when you brake. Plenty of grip and go when you need it, will happily pull gentle slides when you don't. Also earns a place on the podium as one of the fastest S2000s entered.

ACSR421's Mazda Roadster RS- 1:26.935
The most neutral of the MX5s entered, with a slight bias towards understeer at the exit of a corner. Brakes are good, nice and strong. Not that much fun, but bar the understeer, it is the easiest of the Roadsters to drive.

Shmogt's Honda S2000- 1:25.156
Easy. And difficult. At the same time. It doesn't feel confident, almost feeling too loose. It won't really bite my arm off or anything, and it is quite easy to handle once you're used to the lack of confidence, but initially, it just doesn't feel tied down to the road. Which also isn't helped by Shmogt's friendly reminder that should the tyres go red, you have failed. :scared:

-raVer-'s Chevrolet Corvette C1- 1:33.859
I'll give you that this C1 is easily the most charismatic car, all those other Japanese entries just doesn't feel the same as this. Though this C1 doesn't have much more to shout about other than that. It's quite sharp for an old canoe, but it spins the inside wheels up every time you corner.

Jackthalad's Honda S2000- 1:26.061
Loosest of the S2000 entries. Also one of the hardest to drive. Left foot/finger braking is needed to keep the car stable, otherwise it will spin you off when you brake. I can't say I like this one very much……

……Or not. It's very stable at speed, focus hard on driving it quick, it will come alive. Oversteer is minimal and the only chance you'll get understeer is if you mess up the gear changes. The gearbox itself is a bit odd, the speed I need for some corners are between the gears, holding it back a bit.

Madmyke's MG TF140- 1:27.990
Understeer on exit of corners kills it. Otherwise, it's a fun little car.

Rotary Junkie's S2000- 1:24.891
Shmogt's Honda S2000- 1:25.156
JohnnyPenso's Honda S2000- 1:25.202
Sean10mm's Honda S2000- 1:25.481
Dragonthing's Mazda Roadster RS- 1:25.924
Tris_73's Honda S2000- 1:26.006
Jackthalad's Honda S2000- 1:26.061
Bigberry's Mazda Roadster RS- 1:26.114
CyKosis1973's Mazda Roadster RS- 1:26.868
Onboy123's Mitsubishi Eclipse GTS- 1:26.585
VTiRoj's Honda S2000- 1:26.589
XDesperado67's Chevrolet SSR- 1:26.705
ACSR421's Mazda Roadster RS- 1:26.816
Indy Racerfan's BMW Z4- 1:26.844
Praiano63's Merc SLK- 1:27.012
Madmyke's MG TF140- 1:27.990
Krenkeme's Chrysler Prowler- 1:28.927
-raVer-'s Chevrolet Corvette C1- 1:33.859

Driver's Choice Awards!!
1st place- Rotary Junkie's S2000
2nd place- Shmogt's S2000
3rd place- Dragonthing's Mazda Roadster RS
 
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That, sir, is an awesome looker. :drool:

I won't be entering this shootout. I don't have time for trying out the best car I can find and I don't have time to test everything for long enough to bore me. Tried that approach in the rally shootout, it didn't go well. But I will give some of these cars a small try possibly. And I'll submit some tunes in the style of this anyway :lol:
 
Autumn Ring shootout, test results sheet-

Praiano63's Merc SLK- 1:27.012
A very loose car, especially when you brake. It's very easy to get its back kicking out. The car also responds quite well to trail braking. It also feels quite stiff, making it very quick to respond to my butter-fingered and clumsy inputs. The downside of this is that, when I land after hopping over the kerbs in the corners, it seems very unnerved by this move and feels like it's going to throw me off the track.

Very good time, the brake help a lot in first corner. This is a special tune for a special track and event. I'll not choose the same options for one of my allround basic tune. Don't know with DS3, but the precision of the direction with the wheel is the key to have a good line and go fast. For me at least.

:)👍 ><((((°> °°°°
 
Ok , now i understand. But yours springs are not a lot softer than mines. Strong springs after the 2.0 , don't seems to be the only thing that let the car like a piece of iron . For me now, the dampers are making a big difference , more than before.
Try this. Set hard springs ,strong dampers (like 9/8 or 10/9) and pass over the Autumn Ring kerbs , you'll jump much more than my car on the tune picture.
Let the same springs and set a low damper (like 4/3 or 3/2. Now you will see that you'll pass over very smoothly . This wasn't like this before 2.0, i feel the dampers were less sensitives with less influence on the stiffness of the car.

><((((°>°°°°

It's not a huge difference, but enough. Your springs are approx 65% / 70% off potential strength, mine were 50% / 50%. So 15-20% softer than yours. Don't forget I set the ride height as default too, so there's a bit more room for the weight to move around.

I agree about dampers. To test properly, I now have to increment by 1 and note the changes on handling. Before I could increment by 2, sometimes 3 and not notice tremendous differences...

{Cy}
 
@C-ZETA thanks have about 6 other ones but liked that one a little more than the others..ok off to Indy to watch Testing at IMS...be back later to post tune...
 
heya guys. did you miss me? lol i would like to jump back into the tuning ring. i get to run my one of my favorite cars hehe... unfortunately i wont be able to post my car on share because i am pirating my neighbour's wifi lol so hopefully this week i will send my settings to onboy probably or desperado. thanks guys
 
heya guys. did you miss me? lol i would like to jump back into the tuning ring. i get to run my one of my favorite cars hehe... unfortunately i wont be able to post my car on share because i am pirating my neighbour's wifi lol so hopefully this week i will send my settings to onboy probably or desperado. thanks guys
I'd be glad to build and host your tune for you mon.👍👍

Welcome back and check out the PM I sent you.:D:cheers:
 
Does the pic have to be on autumn ring ? or could we use a photo travel location for example.

I'm not a specialist, but autumn ring have a very bad light and st models are strange on it. My pic is bad,because of the collor of the car , i had better results with hot color on this track for another tune, but now i'll not change.
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bigberry
Does the pic have to be on autumn ring ? or could we use a photo travel location for example.

To be fair for standard and premium cars the pictures should be at AR. As Praiano said the lighting is not a good here as at other tracks but do with it what you can. It can be from any angle, distance, etc. Be creative! :)

@onboy, I'll get your post linked shortly. I'm on the mobile app right now which isn't very good for that kind of thing. :dunce:

EDIT: Linked~


I am going to use A Miata '05 Roadster with SWAG

Pic and Tune up..

Can my tune be in a video.

Sorry, lost your post there. :embarrassed: If you want to post a video with your tune I don't see why not. Just make sure you also have the picture with it and the settings written out for those that may not be able to see the video. 👍 You can post them in here or just a link if there are posted elsewhere and I will link it on the front page.
 
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ARGHHHHHH!!!!!!! HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?!??!?!?!?? I've been thrashing my car around Autumn Ring for 20 laps straight, that's 28 or so minutes of driving, but only beat the record I set in Praiano's car once?!?!??! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!! And what's really irritating is that in Praiano's car, I felt it had more to give, even after I set that time, but in my car, I feel like I'm already at the thing's limits&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;
 
ARGHHHHHH!!!!!!! HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?!??!?!?!?? I've been thrashing my car around Autumn Ring for 20 laps straight, that's 28 or so minutes of driving, but only beat the record I set in Praiano's car once?!?!??! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!! And what's really irritating is that in Praiano's car, I felt it had more to give, even after I set that time, but in my car, I feel like I'm already at the thing's limits………

Heh, try the WRS some time. You'll chase hundredths of a second and still find yourself moving backwards on the board. :D

Don't be too concerned about chasing other times. Get it feeling right first then just tweak it and see where it goes. Have fun, don't stress out! :sly:
 
ARGHHHHHH!!!!!!! HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?!??!?!?!?? I've been thrashing my car around Autumn Ring for 20 laps straight, that's 28 or so minutes of driving, but only beat the record I set in Praiano's car once?!?!??! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!! And what's really irritating is that in Praiano's car, I felt it had more to give, even after I set that time, but in my car, I feel like I'm already at the thing's limits………

At this level that i enter with "stupid" radical solutions, like to put ballast to unbalance a car perfectly balanced or harder springs than necessary and let my ghost behind me. Not logical solution sometime work.

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Heh, try the WRS some time. You'll chase hundredths of a second and still find yourself moving backwards on the board. :D

Don't be too concerned about chasing other times. Get it feeling right first then just tweak it and see where it goes. Have fun, don't stress out! :sly:
:lol: They are at proper F1 levels of stress, I'm just a kid stressing out on the fact that I can't keep up with one of RKM's specialties. (The ghost was Roj's Spoon FD2 tune)

I'm actually not too sure what kind of 'feel' I'm aiming for. This is great, I review tunes and talk about how certain cars feel but don't know what I want my own car to feel like. :lol:

At this level that i enter with "stupid" radical solutions, like to put ballast to unbalance a car perfectly balanced or harder springs than necessary and let my ghost behind me. Not logical solution sometime work.

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Well&#8230;the thing is, when I tested for the FF shootout and all you lot did that with your cars, that unnatural balance made the cars felt unpredictable, like they were drunk. And it wasn't a nice feel, so I want to avoid it at all costs.

Hai Fishy, can I eat you? :dopey:

Edit: *facepalm* I just realised, I'm at least 80kg heavier than Praiano's SLK. No wonder I'm a bit slower and my car doesn't feel quite as lively. :lol:
 
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Great date with the wife last night. Taking oldest daughter to karate, then the wife is taking my two girls to the zoo and a movie. I got some testing to do :). I'm glad to see no one has tuned my choice (maybe there's a reason for this?). We'll see :dopey:
 
My S2000 is in the 1:26 club with a tune I basically threw on it, so I reckon it can go 25's with tweaking.
 
Another question. This photo mode part does it have to be of the whole car? Let's say you take a pic of a 458 in the dark and can only see the lights. Everyone will no what car it is even tho technically you can't see the car. How creative are we allowed to get?
 
I guess since everyone is sharing...my MG TF160 is almost ready to go. If I can get 1:28.xxx Praiano can probably go below 1:27 so I like my chances too. I have family in town this weekend so I might not get on the PS3 for a bit. Catch you guys later...
 
So after reading this thread, I guess the last thing I have to ask is: how is a driver paired with a tuner?
 
So after reading this thread, I guess the last thing I have to ask is: how is a driver paired with a tuner?

The answer is: We don't.

Testers can test any car they want, as long as they can complete all of the cars tuned by the deadline.
 
The answer is: We don't.

Testers can test any car they want, as long as they can complete all of the cars tuned by the deadline.
Ah, so among all of the drivers, all of the cars have to be tested before a certain point?
 
Ah, so among all of the drivers, all of the cars have to be tested before a certain point?
Test drivers are volunteering to drive every one of the cars entered.

If you look in the F.I.T.T. thread at the top of the forum you can check the archive links to previous shootouts to see how testing works.

Basically each test driver tests all entries, and the times are averaged to determine final rankings. For other awards such as drivers choice it is the aggregate total of the test drivers votes that determines rankings.

As of right now test drivers are committing to testing 17 separate cars each. That number may go up if there are more entries.

If you look in the OP you will find dates for when official testing can begin and when it must be completed by.
 
Hmm&#8230;I seem to have got my car going in the right direction. It's still rather slow, but I'm reeling the Civic in. All thanks to a tip Desperado gave me this morning and a car I was tuning before this shootout. :D
 
Hmm…I seem to have got my car going in the right direction. It's still rather slow, but I'm reeling the Civic in. All thanks to a tip Desperado gave me this morning and a car I was tuning before this shootout. :D

What time did you even set in the Civic?
 
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