Monday Night Endurances -
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- Saint Louis
- diabolicwyvern
I keep wavering between the supercharger now and mid-rpm turbo. I exhaust a lot of additional PP with the supercharger that I cannot use on weight. I've built 2 March's now and may go for a third. Thank goodness we're on TGTT...Great track. Hopefully we can keep most of the cones where they are, however I have a feeling that by the third or fourth lap, hammerhead and the followthrough will be littered with them.
- 1,466
- Canada
- mikethehockeyfan
I just discovered I don't even have the Top Gear track available for testing before the race, because I haven't bothered to do the stupid challenges for it yet 
Oh well, 1/2 to setup my car in the online lobby will be enough.
Last week we had a great turnout, let's keep it up this week, guys!!
Oh well, 1/2 to setup my car in the online lobby will be enough.
Last week we had a great turnout, let's keep it up this week, guys!!
- 2,600
- Saint Louis
- diabolicwyvern
- 2,600
- Saint Louis
- diabolicwyvern
Yea in the last race I was about 12 seconds off first place, got to 4.1s and battled with 2nd place until I got the hammer head penalty and by then we were 8 or 9 seconds off the lead. Then I met up with Ruta a few times in the follow through
What I probably should have done was just bump drafted until we caught up to the lead and get a 3 way battle going.
- 180
- Ruta_Barracuda
Most of those times I called out to him and/or broke hard. I remember once I came to a total stop haha. Then there was the one in the last race where I honestly never saw his triangle on the map. Doesn't matter for me anyway - it took me out completely to last place for that race on lap 20.
Nice races tonight, though - I really enjoyed it!
- 629
- Cincinnati, OH
- benda18
I should've put a smiley face after my previous comment. There was some risk in the racing; that's what I thought made it fun. You and I were in a pretty sweet battle for last place there, too bad you got disoriented.
and yeah, if you were racing the yellow march you definitely stopped completely in race 3 to yield to the crossing traffic
- 180
- Ruta_Barracuda
I should've put a smiley face after my previous comment. There was some risk in the racing; that's what I thought made it fun. You and I were in a pretty sweet battle for last place there, too bad you got disoriented.
and yeah, if you were racing the yellow march you definitely stopped completely in race 3 to yield to the crossing traffic
Yep, that was me in the yellow March!
- 510
- snoopykuan
That was a fun night of racing. CIA and Booch were too fast but I enjoyed running with them for as long as I could. The followthrough was fun too. In the first race I made a lot of mistakes but by the end was running better albeit not mistake free.
So I'm trying to get better at tuning. Instead of blaming my driving I can blame my setup. Here is what I ran with. It understeers like crazy. Let me know if you guys have any thoughts or suggestions.
Every modification
117 hp
919kg
375pp
Max rear aero
70kg ballast at middle
50.4% power limiter
stage 3 turbo
168 mph transmission (I shifted at 6k)
LSD: 5/20/15
Ride height -20/-20
Spring 6.7/6.6
Dampers extension 4/6
Dampers compression 4/4
Anti roll bars 3/3
Camber 2.0/0.0
Toe -.40/-.10
Brake 3/1
So I'm trying to get better at tuning. Instead of blaming my driving I can blame my setup. Here is what I ran with. It understeers like crazy. Let me know if you guys have any thoughts or suggestions.
Every modification
117 hp
919kg
375pp
Max rear aero
70kg ballast at middle
50.4% power limiter
stage 3 turbo
168 mph transmission (I shifted at 6k)
LSD: 5/20/15
Ride height -20/-20
Spring 6.7/6.6
Dampers extension 4/6
Dampers compression 4/4
Anti roll bars 3/3
Camber 2.0/0.0
Toe -.40/-.10
Brake 3/1
- 629
- Cincinnati, OH
- benda18
Posted for posterity:
Top Gear Test Track - Nissan March 12SR '07
Monday March 14 - Lobby Open @ 8:00pm, Race @ 8:30pm Eastern (GMT-4)
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:
This week we're going to mix things up again and do a series of short sprint races. The track will be the figure-8 Top Gear Test Track. Everyone will be required to use a Nissan March. Lite penalties will be used for this race series due to the extreme ease in corner cutting. Exact race specs will be ironed out by Wednesday night. In case of the TGTT disappearing from online play we'll use Suzuka East and adjust lap counts to reach similar distance races.
RACE SPECIFICATIONS:
*Date: Monday, March 14
*Location: Host's lounge/lobby (PSNid = benda18)
*Lobby Opens: 8:00pm Eastern (GMT-4)
*Race Begins: 8:30pm Eastern (GMT-4)
*Distance: Races 1 & 2: 10 laps each. Race 3 & 4: 20 laps each.
*Damage: Lite
*Penalties: Lite
*Aids: ABS only
*Driving Line: On (optional)
*Field Size: Maximum 16, first-come first-served.
*Racing Rules: GTPlanet OnLine Racing Rules & Guidelines (OLR) link.
*Boost: Off
*Starting Order: 1st race fastest first based on qualifying. Reverse grid starting order for subsequent races
*Time Finish Delay: 180 seconds
*Start Type: Grid start with false start check
*Automatic race start cycle: 5 minutes
*Grip reduction / track edge: Real
*Tire wear / fuel consumption: Off
VEHICLE SPECIFICATIONS:
*Permitted Vehicle: Nissan March 12SR '07
*Weight: Unrestricted
*Horsepower: Unrestricted
*Tire Restrictions: Sport Soft
*Performance Points: 375
RACE DAY LOGISTICS:
Racers are responsible for sending a friend request to the host (PSN=benda18) prior to the race. Racers will join host's lounge no earlier than 8:00pm to begin qualifying. Race begins promptly at 8:30pm.
RACE RESULTS
RACE 1 (10 laps)
1.....CIAFlux.............14:41.374
2.....Booch16...............+00.349
3.....B-McG.................+07.450
4.....GTP_CAMikaze..........+10.366
5.....Diabolicwyvern........+14.651
6.....snoopykuan............+15.216
7.....benda18...............+21.578
8.....mikethehockeyfan......+49.374
9.....Ruta_Baracuda.........+52.432
RACE 2 (10 laps)
1.....Booch16.............14:33.750
2.....B-McG.................+05.099
3.....CIAFlux...............+07.021
4.....Diabolicwyvern........+08.803
5.....snoopykuan............+13.330
6.....Ruta_Baracuda.........+32.252
7.....GTP_CAMikaze..........+33.214
8.....benda18...............+40.474
9.....mikethehockeyfan....+2:13.356
RACE 3 (20 laps)
1.....CIAFlux.............29:02.679
2.....Booch16...............+12.262
3.....snoopykuan............+14.455
4.....Diabolicwyvern........+17.391
5.....B-McG.................+29.008
6.....GTP_CAMikaze..........+58.743
7.....benda18...............+59.281
8.....mikethehockeyfan....+1:37.562
9.....Ruta_Baracuda.......+1:39.337
RACE 4 (20 laps)
1.....Booch16.............29:09.009
2.....snoopykuan............+06.697
3.....B-McG.................+07.958
4.....CIAFlux...............+26.758
5.....Diabolicwyvern........+30.203
6.....GTP_CAMikaze..........+46.020
7.....benda18.............+1:14.468
8.....Ruta_Baracuda.......+1:47.794
9.....mikethehockeyfan..........DNF
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- 629
- Cincinnati, OH
- benda18
Just finished updating the specs for Monday's GT300 race.
I got to thinking how we're visiting Japan this week to re-do a Super GT race that was cancelled due to a 2010 Typhoon, and how Japan just 4 days ago suffered one of the largest natural disasters in the country's history. Could this be just a coincidence?
I've decided to make a donation to the American Red Cross in the amount of $10 for each racer that finishes this Monday's race to support their disaster relief fund. And if we finish a full grid of 16 I'll make my contribution an even $200. Spread the word; tell your friends to come race Monday if for nothing else than to support the cause.
I hope this doesn't seem too self-righteous or anything. It just seems like a good idea.
I got to thinking how we're visiting Japan this week to re-do a Super GT race that was cancelled due to a 2010 Typhoon, and how Japan just 4 days ago suffered one of the largest natural disasters in the country's history. Could this be just a coincidence?
I've decided to make a donation to the American Red Cross in the amount of $10 for each racer that finishes this Monday's race to support their disaster relief fund. And if we finish a full grid of 16 I'll make my contribution an even $200. Spread the word; tell your friends to come race Monday if for nothing else than to support the cause.
I hope this doesn't seem too self-righteous or anything. It just seems like a good idea.
- 2,600
- Saint Louis
- diabolicwyvern
I'm thinking of having a bumper sticker made and have come up with two options:
Give Cones a Chance or It's a cone...run it over
Give Cones a Chance or It's a cone...run it over
Questing about the regulation for the next race.
Some cars are allowed to have chassis rigidity and others are not. Why not say all can have it or all can not have it? These cars should all already be pretty equal due to the race series they are in so allowing some cars to be more rigid might give them an unfair advantage.
Some cars are allowed to have chassis rigidity and others are not. Why not say all can have it or all can not have it? These cars should all already be pretty equal due to the race series they are in so allowing some cars to be more rigid might give them an unfair advantage.
- 629
- Cincinnati, OH
- benda18
Very good question. I spoke to this briefly last night after the race but here's the full scoop:
I really don't know the first thing about Super GT racing. I did a few Google searches for "GT300 rules" and "Super GT rules" and got nothing. I was hoping for a simple max HP and min. Weight just to drop into this race. At first I even thought it was going to be 300HP since we're racing GT300 cars, but I was wrong.
So what now? Well there are at least 4 or 5 really successful Super GT Championships going on now on GTPlanet, why not just see what these guys are doing and borrow their regulations? Seems like it would be better than re-inventing the wheel. I borrowed race rules/regulations from "World Super GT Championships" (link). If you click that link you'll see they allow the same modifications as I've posted on the first page.
To answer your question, it appears that "World Super GT Championship" has determined that 2 of the GT300 cars are underpowered and need to have a slight advantage to be competitive. Have I tested this myself? No. Am I willing to deviate? Absolutely, as always.
I just wanted to let everyone know that I appreciate all the feedback I get each week - it really helps to hone the race specs and make the events as good as they can be.
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- 510
- snoopykuan
Posted this in another race I'm doing on Thursday, but it may be helpful here. A list of the different race cars. Not sure about the accuracy. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=159182
If PD didn't feel it necessary to change the cars HP with an oil change they would all be around 300hp.
And since it seems like people took time to figure out what works it should be alright. I didnt plan on running either of the cars with allowed mods even though normally I would drive the Subaru. But I believe it has an inherent disadvantage on Fuji.
And since it seems like people took time to figure out what works it should be alright. I didnt plan on running either of the cars with allowed mods even though normally I would drive the Subaru. But I believe it has an inherent disadvantage on Fuji.
- 629
- Cincinnati, OH
- benda18
Now I see what's going on here. GT5 only includes 4 GT300 Super GT race cars, so some of these Super GT championships are including JGTC cars too (JGTC became Super GT in 2005). I don't think it makes any difference to us except that all Super GT cars are premium and JGTC cars are standards.
2 cars from this list are not included in my list; not sure why.
It seems like they're all over the place. After taking a look at the GT5 Matrix.xls it appears that:
- Lexus WS IS350 '08 = 295HP/1150KG
- ARTA Garaiya '08 = 324HP/1175KG
- Subaru CUSCO '08 = 295HP/1100KG
- Asparadrink RX7 '06 = 305HP/1100KG
- ARTA Garaiya '03 = 318HP/1125KG
- Toyota MR-S '00 = 382HP/1125KG
- Toyota WS Celica '03 = 321HP/1050KG
so-on and so-forth
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