Monday Night Endurances -

[Ruta]

Now I see what's going on here. GT5 only includes 4 GT300 Super GT race cars, so some of these Super GT championships are including JGTC cars too (JGTC became Super GT in 2005). I don't think it makes any difference to us except that all Super GT cars are premium and JGTC cars are standards.

2 cars from this list are not included in my list; not sure why.


It seems like they're all over the place. After taking a look at the GT5 Matrix.xls it appears that:
- Lexus WS IS350 '08 = 295HP/1150KG
- ARTA Garaiya '08 = 324HP/1175KG
- Subaru CUSCO '08 = 295HP/1100KG
- Asparadrink RX7 '06 = 305HP/1100KG
- ARTA Garaiya '03 = 318HP/1125KG
- Toyota MR-S '00 = 382HP/1125KG
- Toyota WS Celica '03 = 321HP/1050KG
so-on and so-forth

Well, you also have to consider that some of these cars are from '06 and others are from '08. Depending on what year they were made and competed in GT300, they were subject to weight restrictions to try to keep that field on the level. I'm pretty sure '08 had the tougher weight requirements, so chassis rigidity improvements for the ARTA and the Lexus from '08 makes sense to me, because the Subaru '08 was AWD, and the '06 Asparadrink RX-7 was under lighter weight restrictions. If the people running the WSGTC didn't allow that mod, the RX-7 and the Impreza would be the more dominant cars.

 

[benda18]

@Ruta

Do you think the way it's setup now will work for us or should we eliminate some of the older cars? In particular I'm looking at that 2000 Toyota MR-S with 382 HP

 

[Ruta]

I'm not sure to be honest. That '00 MR-S looks scarily similar to the Mitsubishi GTO Super Touring Car by Gran Turismo as far as HP/weight goes. I also have no idea what the handling is like on them compared to the newer models, either, though. If it were me running it, I'd probably just go with the four premiums. If anyone is out on credits I can supply them with a car, since I have a bunch of credits to throw around.

 

[benda18]

I'm not sure to be honest. That '00 MR-S looks scarily similar to the Mitsubishi GTO Super Touring Car by Gran Turismo as far as HP/weight goes. I also have no idea what the handling is like on them compared to the newer models, either, though. If it were me running it, I'd probably just go with the four premiums. If anyone is out on credits I can supply them with a car, since I have a bunch of credits to throw around.

That seems like a fair idea. We can let it fester for a while and see what everyone else thinks.

 

[polizei]

Yea in the last race I was about 12 seconds off first place, got to 4.1s and battled with 2nd place until I got the hammer head penalty and by then we were 8 or 9 seconds off the lead. Then I met up with Ruta a few times in the follow through

What I probably should have done was just bump drafted until we caught up to the lead and get a 3 way battle going.

you only made up so much time because last-place stopped in the middle of the follow through and i t-boned him, damaging my front suspension and my engine, not to mention making me come to nearly a complete stop

No biggie tho, it was a fun race 👍

 

[benda18]

you only made up so much time because last-place stopped in the middle of the follow through and i t-boned him, damaging my front suspension and my engine, not to mention making me come to nearly a complete stop

No biggie tho, it was a fun race 👍

I'll have to go back and watch the replay from that race. Someone must've got caught up on a number or something because traffic stopped almost instantly. I plowed right into someone in yellow (no time to react). That whole turn was a hot mess.

This isn't the same event - I think it's the lap 1 hammerhead of race 3 - but it still sums things up pretty well.

 

[Ruta]

I'll have to go back and watch the replay from that race. Someone must've got caught up on a number or something because traffic stopped almost instantly. I plowed right into someone in yellow (no time to react). That whole turn was a hot mess.

This isn't the same event - I think it's the lap 1 hammerhead of race 3 - but it still sums things up pretty well.

If it was the first race, that was me that got plowed into by half the field. I was drafting someone going into Hammerhead, and I anticipated his braking, so I began to brake, and next thing I know I'm spun around and sent into a number . Just goes to show how dangerous that shark can be!

 

[diabolicwyvern]

GTP-CAmikaze missed the braking point alltogether...I remember him being on mic while this was happening. What I cannot understand is how he didnt get a penalty or lose ground;he only gained. He was, I believe behind Benda18 (reddishorange) at the entrance and he came out of the turn in front of me (lime green). I remember thinking...Where did he come from? Why isnt he getting a penalty? I saw firsthand several penalties on the followthrough for having a third wheel touching bumpers and this wasnt given one? And finally...Why werent people passed this way let back ahead?

 

[polizei]

That was a fun night of racing. CIA and Booch were too fast but I enjoyed running with them for as long as I could. The followthrough was fun too. In the first race I made a lot of mistakes but by the end was running better albeit not mistake free.

So I'm trying to get better at tuning. Instead of blaming my driving I can blame my setup. Here is what I ran with. It understeers like crazy. Let me know if you guys have any thoughts or suggestions.

Every modification
117 hp
919kg
375pp
Max rear aero
70kg ballast at middle
50.4% power limiter
stage 3 turbo
168 mph transmission (I shifted at 6k)
LSD: 5/20/15
Ride height -20/-20
Spring 6.7/6.6
Dampers extension 4/6
Dampers compression 4/4
Anti roll bars 3/3
Camber 2.0/0.0
Toe -.40/-.10
Brake 3/1

wow my setup was almost the opposite of yours!

ECU
Engine 1
135 hp
weight: stock+35kg
375pp
Min rear aero (gives you more PP and aero doesn't matter on this track)
35kg ballast at middle/rear i think it was 56%
97.4% power limiter
stage 2 turbo
148 mph transmission (I tweaked 4th gear to make it longer, essentially i was driving a 4 speed the whole race and only used 5th when i was drafting from the follow through, up to Gambon. Which is why i made up so much time when drafting )
LSD: stock settings
Ride height -10/-10
Spring stock
Dampers extension stock
Dampers compression stock
Anti roll bars stock
Camber stock
Toe stock
Brake stock

To me the most important thing was keep a clean and tight line without cooking the front tires. If i was going wide i would modulate the throttle and let the lsd do it's thing

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

Man, Top Gear test track is such a shame due to the need to use penalties.

Not only do penalties mess you up quite a bit, they also force the lapped traffic to ghost sometimes, I've seen, making the challenge of lap traffic nil.

Anyway, looking forward to the real race cars this next event. I'm already testing.

 

[Prophet]

you only made up so much time because last-place stopped in the middle of the follow through and i t-boned him, damaging my front suspension and my engine, not to mention making me come to nearly a complete stop

No biggie tho, it was a fun race 👍

I got within 4 seconds before you had your accident. I got back up there again though because of it I made a mistake in the last 2 turns to let you pull back ahead.

 

[benda18]

I'll be testing in my lounge until probably 8:00pm eastern tonight.

Gotta make a stop in the NCD to buy a few cars then I'll be there. Stop by if you want to work on setups.

 

[benda18]

Man, Top Gear test track is such a shame due to the need to use penalties.

Not only do penalties mess you up quite a bit, they also force the lapped traffic to ghost sometimes, I've seen, making the challenge of lap traffic nil.

If we had to do this event over I'd take penalties off. It was more of a problem than was worth it. We all raced well and could've handled the race fine without being tempted to cut huge corners (unlike any other course you could cut so many corners at TGTT).

I've never used penalties in a race before and probably won't ever again, not even the Monza race coming up in a few weeks

 

[brandofo]

I've decided to make a donation to the American Red Cross in the amount of $10 for each racer that finishes this Monday's race to support their disaster relief fund. And if we finish a full grid of 16 I'll make my contribution an even $200. Spread the word; tell your friends to come race Monday if for nothing else than to support the cause.

I will definitely show up next week and I will match the $10 donation for entering. This is a great idea and I am sure we can raise some money for those affected by the natural disasters in Japan.

 

[benda18]

I will definitely show up next week and I will match the $10 donation for entering. This is a great idea and I am sure we can raise some money for those affected by the natural disasters in Japan.

👍

 

[diabolicwyvern]

GTP-CAmikaze missed the braking point alltogether...I remember him being on mic while this was happening. What I cannot understand is how he didnt get a penalty or lose ground;he only gained. He was, I believe behind Benda18 (reddishorange) at the entrance and he came out of the turn in front of me (lime green). I remember thinking...Where did he come from? Why isnt he getting a penalty? I saw firsthand several penalties on the followthrough for having a third wheel touching bumpers and this wasnt given one? And finally...Why werent people passed this way let back ahead?

Out of all the penalties handed out...No one is curious why this offence didnt garner one. Its like GT Academy part II all over again. How can teh Hammerhead be gutted like this and not get a penatly PD, thats the question I want an answer to. The evidence and line are in photo form. How was this not penalized? If it was, could someone with replay tell me. I feel like I'm takin crazy pills here..at least more than usual

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

Bleh, I think Top Gear Test Track is a write-off, to be honest.

 

[benda18]

Out of all the penalties handed out...No one is curious why this offence didnt garner one. Its like GT Academy part II all over again. How can teh Hammerhead be gutted like this and not get a penatly PD, thats the question I want an answer to. The evidence and line are in photo form. How was this not penalized? If it was, could someone with replay tell me. I feel like I'm takin crazy pills here..at least more than usual

It's crazy that the inside of the hammerhead was so generous while the follow-through was penalizing people for following the driving line. Racing at TTGT was risky in the first place place. Maybe in retrospect it wasn't the best place to unleash the testosterone, but overall I had a blast.

If you have issues with someone's driving during the race it's only appropriate to vet those with me in a PM.

 

[diabolicwyvern]

I no doubt had a blast. I would do it again as long as the penalties were Weak at best. With Mike sticking it to the cone manufacturer, it was a pain to find a safe way through the Followthrough unless no one else was around you.

 

[benda18]

I no doubt had a blast. I would do it again as long as the penalties were Weak at best. With Mike sticking it to the cone manufacturer, it was a pain to find a safe way through the Followthrough unless no one else was around you.

believe it or not the penalties were weak

 

[polizei]

weak penalties are a must on that track. Unfortunately 99% of people will cut the corners if no one is looking. The penalty system is messed up, kind of like the crazy-strong drafting effects. I have gone through that section of the hammerhead without getting a penalty a few times. I think what happens is there are 2 sets of red solid cones inside the hammerhead and if you go between the 2 sets without touching the gas it might let you through unpenalized. That's the only thing i can think of, the times i went through i was usually out of control and slamming on the brakes and just magically went through (not during our racing, just other times when messing around).

 

[st1sj]

I was fine with the penalty, since everyone is under the same rules. I got it twice on Hammerhead, when I turned too sharply into the apex. I got it once on the Followthrough on the last lap, that allowed Diabolic to pass me. In the third race, I think Prophet tried to pass me on the inside at Followthrough and got the penalty. I think weak penalties are good, to make sure we are all racing similarly.

I was real careful in the last race to not get the penalty. I like the track. The corner before Gambon was interesting as people can take very different lines. Once I took an extreme inside line on Prophet because I caught a good draft, and ended up in the grass. Ha.

 

[st1sj]

Interesting. I started to learn about tuning with Geoff Crammond's game on the PC and I have been struggling with it ever since.

I probably should have gone with more power and more weight, since I was losing speed to you. Then again, with my driving that probably would not have made a difference. Ha.

I overheated the front tires on most of the tight turns...

wow my setup was almost the opposite of yours!

ECU
Engine 1
135 hp
weight: stock+35kg
375pp
Min rear aero (gives you more PP and aero doesn't matter on this track)
35kg ballast at middle/rear i think it was 56%
97.4% power limiter
stage 2 turbo
148 mph transmission (I tweaked 4th gear to make it longer, essentially i was driving a 4 speed the whole race and only used 5th when i was drafting from the follow through, up to Gambon. Which is why i made up so much time when drafting )
LSD: stock settings
Ride height -10/-10
Spring stock
Dampers extension stock
Dampers compression stock
Anti roll bars stock
Camber stock
Toe stock
Brake stock

To me the most important thing was keep a clean and tight line without cooking the front tires. If i was going wide i would modulate the throttle and let the lsd do it's thing

 

[diabolicwyvern]

believe it or not the penalties were weak

That was weak?? I dare wonder what Strong looks like...just a bunch of Marchs' travelling at 38 mph through the follow through I imagine. If it follows the Special Event TGTT rules, you can knock over any striped cones without penalty but no solid ones as long as your car remains 'in bounds'

I think I was running the least amount of HP, but I was supercharged. If I think of it, I'll post up my settings. I run in nightly 420 PP races and have found the 375 PP March quite competitive.

 

[polizei]

I overheated the front tires on most of the tight turns...

haha yeah, chicago is a corner that i took slow and tight on the entry and it allowed me to put the power down sooner and straight out of the corner. Also remember the further are you are from the black-ish tarmac the less you grip you have. Keeping it in the sticky line can often be the difference between flat out corner and spinning out in the corner

 

[Prophet]

Interesting. I started to learn about tuning with Geoff Crammond's game on the PC and I have been struggling with it ever since.

I probably should have gone with more power and more weight, since I was losing speed to you. Then again, with my driving that probably would not have made a difference. Ha.

I overheated the front tires on most of the tight turns...

I went with low weight and low hp and didnt have any issues with lap times. Believe my hp was 121.

 

[polizei]

I went with low weight and low hp and didnt have any issues with lap times. Believe my hp was 121.

It just goes to show that there are different tunes to achieve similar results and a lot has to do with driving style as well. 👍

 

[benda18]

That was weak?? I dare wonder what Strong looks like...just a bunch of Marchs' travelling at 38 mph through the follow through I imagine.

I tested strong penalties prior to the race Monday night and got a 26 second penalty at Wilson. Who knows what hammerhead or the followthrough would've been.

 

[st1sj]

I prefer to blame how slow I am on my setup than on my driving. Stop taking away my excuses, Ha!

I went with low weight and low hp and didnt have any issues with lap times. Believe my hp was 121.

 

[diabolicwyvern]

I went with low weight and low hp and didnt have any issues with lap times. Believe my hp was 121.

I'm not the lowest after all I ran with 123 HP