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SuperCobraJet
Putting your wise-ass controller crack aside, at least for the moment,
I'm curious to know, since you play both games with a wheel, what your opinion is of the physics on both games.
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Big guy I'm not trying to be a wise ass I'm sorry if I came off like that. When you drive a car you use a steering wheel, so you playing with a controller and judging physics just don't go in my book. In my opinion you're not experience GT5 or FM3 to the fullest. Answering your questions though the fanatic wheel is sweet but I just don't like the physics well to be honest the race cars feel pretty damn good but the production cars feel way to grippy IMO I will pm you my full thoughts.
 
JDMKING13
I agree with you but let me asks you this didn't GT5P have this feature? I'm sure it going to implemented, And that's the what I mean with my patience, I'm not going to come on here and go crazy I will just wait.
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Yes, but it came with the game didn't it? If it did or not the main concern here is it SHOULD have came with GT5.

Not coming up 8 months later.
 
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trk29
Yes, but it came with the game didn't it? If it did or not the main concern here is it SHOULD have came with GT5.

Not coming up 8 months later.
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Again we have to different ways of looking at things. What your saying is not crazy at all, but let me ask you a question. Do you have children? If you do I know you try to do the best for them just as I do with my little girl, however sometimes I can't do the beat things for her because it just doesn't work out. I think this is the same situation. The man is passionate about his work and I'm sure they will do everything they can to make GT5 better. Right now I'm having a great time with GT5.
 
trk29
Yes, but it came with the game didn't it? If it did or not the main concern here is it SHOULD have came with GT5.

Not coming up 8 months later.
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That's right. And some of us don't have our PS3's online, so none of these updates make a lick of difference. Having said that, most of the updates only affect the online racing anyway.

Any patch, update or fix is a happy bonus to those that can get them. But GT5 will ultimately only ever be as good as the vanilla version that was released and should be judged as such. Not how you 'hope' the game 'will' be. That's just crazy...:ill:
 
JDMKING13
Again we have to different ways of looking at things. What your saying is not crazy at all, but let me ask you a question. Do you have children? If you do I know you try to do the best for them just as I do with my little girl, however sometimes I can't do the beat things for her because it just doesn't work out. I think this is the same situation. The man is passionate about his work and I'm sure they will do everything they can to make GT5 better. Right now I'm having a great time with GT5.
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Yes I do. I have a little girl and yes I do to the best that I can do for her. When I can't do something it breaks my heart (maybe that is why she is so spoiled). I know he is passionate about this game and that I commend him for it. He does do a great job at what he does.

You make a very good point. But in the same sense as me maybe, he is trying to do to much for us (spoil us GT fans) and couldn't give all he wanted to deliver.

I do love GT for all that it is and I am having fun with it, but I should be having more fun with it.
 
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trk29
Yes I do. I have a little girl and yes I do to the best that I can do for her. When I can't do something it breaks my heart (maybe that is why she is so spoiled). I know he is passionate about this game and that I commend him for it. He does do a great job at what he does.

You make a very good point. But in the same sense as me maybe, he is trying to do to much for us (spoil us GT fans) and couldn't give all he wanted to deliver.

I do love GT for all that it is and I am having fun with it, but I should be having more fun with it.
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Trk29 no doubt bro that's cool you have a little one. My little one is spoiled also lol. I also agree with you on us having more fun with the game, but this is why I love today gaming age, with updates and DLC GT5 should get polished up i remember when the FM3 came out and it had alot of issues. After time the game git better and better. The update was pretty cool. Take the driver customization feature. It might seem small but it brings more individualism out. Driving with your crew online then watching your replay seeing all the members in your crew in the different battle suits is awesome, now you add more customization with some updates it just gets better. Glad we can have a civil conversation buddy. I agree with you on many points you have.
 
JDMKING13
Big guy I'm not trying to be a wise ass I'm sorry if I came off like that.
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Sorry if you didn't intend it that way, but it sure sounded like it to me.


JDMKING13
When you drive a car you use a steering wheel, so you playing with a controller and judging physics just don't go in my book. In my opinion you're not experience GT5 or FM3 to the fullest.
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I realize the point your making, but I believe its still pretty shallow in the whole scheme of things.

When you really drive a car your also not sitting in a makeshift seat inside your house looking at a virtual rendering on a flat screen TV.
A steering wheel is the only semblance of anything remotely the same as the real thing in that picture.

Considering that whole scene I don't see a controller that removed from a wheel.
Truthfully the real thing is still a good galaxy away from GT5 with a fanatec wheel or a controller.

JDMKING13
Answering your questions though the fanatic wheel is sweet but I just don't like the physics well to be honest the race cars feel pretty damn good but the production cars feel way to grippy IMO I will pm you my full thoughts.
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Thanks for the reply.
I don't recall having seen a physics comment from someone who actually played both games with a wheel.
 
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prymet1me
I dont hate PD...who hates PD?
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I feel hate is the wrong word, im frustrated is probably a better way of describing my feelings.

For me PD spend far too much time developing features that in my opinion don't really enhance the gameplay. Rather than spending months modelling the cockpits of each premium car they should of spent more time in the development of other aspects of the game. For example A Spec, Top Gear TT, Nascar have been poorly implemented in this game. Now the blame lies mainly with Kaz because he is the director after all.

What Kaz thinks the gamers want from GT differs to what we really want. Im sure Kaz thinks many of us are content with grinding away whilst staring at the realistic cockpits of the premium cars. The lack of being able to save during endurance races really does show how out of touch Kaz is with gaming today. He admits he doesn't follow other racing games and this is one of his biggest flaws.

I also want to explain why I harp on about leaderboards so much.

Many years ago when I was in my early 20s I used to regularly play sport i.e Ice Hockey, Football. Unfortunately im now disabled and cannot play any sport. These days I use gaming as a means to express my competitive nature. This is why I love hotlapping and take pride that i've managed to top leaderboards on so many racing games. This is where I get frustrated with GT5 because it has the cars, physics but apart from a few seasonal time trials I cannot test myself against the world. I find it odd that some people are happy with the driving side of GT5 and yet aren't bothered at the lack of leaderboards. Surely everyone wants to test their driving skills and see how they compare against the world.
 
JDMKING13
Trk29 no doubt bro that's cool you have a little one. My little one is spoiled also lol. I also agree with you on us having more fun with the game, but this is why I love today gaming age, with updates and DLC GT5 should get polished up i remember when the FM3 came out and it had alot of issues. After time the game git better and better. The update was pretty cool. Take the driver customization feature. It might seem small but it brings more individualism out. Driving with your crew online then watching your replay seeing all the members in your crew in the different battle suits is awesome, now you add more customization with some updates it just gets better. Glad we can have a civil conversation buddy. I agree with you on many points you have.
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Yep like she says I'm her daddy! 3yrs. old by the way

Back on topic:

It's what it is all about. It sucks that some can't hold it together without the name calling starting.

I do like the addition to the suits, I haven't played with them to much. I wish the suits would have have been in the game when it came out because I didn't see much sense in us only being able to pick and choose your outfit only once at the begining of the game.

This feature was in TT and why it didn't get carried over is beyond me. It does look like they are adding some personalization which is great but I wish it had been there already. Maybe in the next update they will give us some skins for the cars to go along with the race suits that would be okay by me. But I won't be expecting it.

I guess one thing I have been wondering is about the new suit feature, is this something that was supposed to be in the game or have they been using this downtime with no updates to make this feature? If it is the latter (which we will never know) would be kind of dissapointing because as a whole we wanted something different. Yes there are some that wanted this feature but there are more pressing issues. I just hate to think this whole time with no word this is what we got. Suits and other minor fixes as the news page says. Maybe in two years we will have the game Kaz wanted us to play.
 
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Most people who have been following the game knew what to expect only those who din't are blaming them. The game has most features than any video game ever. Quantity, quality and still people hating them is pretty stupid lol.

Their next game will be great polished one though and won't include standard cars. I think that is what people are hating. The whole idea of standard and premiums.
 
kimi123
Most people who have been following the game knew what to expect only those who din't are blaming them. The game has most features than any video game ever.
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I was following the game. I paid strict attention to what was promised for the game, and what was shown to us as the release date neared. The released product defied many of my expectations, in some cases intentionally.

Your argument is invalid.
 
another_jakhole
I really don't think he meant it to be a wise-ass.

And I could answer your question because it really is a fact which one is better, but I don't think you'll like me. :nervous:
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I must admit your not starting off too well, since there is nothing factual regaurding the physics.
Its strictly and completely a matter of opinion.
Even if commented on by professional drivers, it would be a professional opinion.
Certainly weightier than the average Joe, but still of opinion.


Therefore, if you wish to offer your opinion I am open to it.
I doubt it would have any bearing on whether I like you or not.
 
Toronado
I was following the game. I paid strict attention to what was promised for the game, and what was shown to us as the release date neared. The released product defied many of my expectations, in some cases intentionally.

Your argument is invalid.
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Premiums and standard were know for long time. High expectation and the final outcome varies that can be for any game.
 
SuperCobraJet
I must admit your not starting off too well, since there is nothing factual regaurding the physics.
Its strictly and completely a matter of opinion.
Even if commented on by professional drivers, it would be a professional opinion.
Certainly weightier than the average Joe, but still of opinion.


Therefore, if you wish to offer your opinion I am open to it.
I doubt it would have any bearing on whether I like you or not.
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It's a fact GT5 has the best physics of any game on a console.


I don't believe you professional because average joe said other wise so since he has an opposing opinion yours is invalid professional. (No logic)
 
My main issue comes from people who, despite all the amazing things in the game, instantly went out only looking for flaws, and they continue to do so. You're going to find flaws in anything when looking at it through those glasses.

GT5 has more tracks than any other GT, more cars than any other GT, way more features than any other GT, the best racing physics of any racing game this gen and is at 6.3m sold so far in its first six months. Keeping all of that in mind, remember that historically the first GT on each console has been the version that has less cars, less features and less refinement.

I really think that a lot of gamers feel they're entitled to anything they want, and they have zero patience to boot. They'll whine about having too many cars of one type, and then whine that there's not enough of another. I remember back when GT1 launched and I could find the exact car my brother was driving inside the game, that absolutely amazed me. To date, GT is one of the only, if not the only game that allows you the opportunity to find your obscure car in the make, model and exact year in some cases. Yet this is seen as a negative to some people, as somehow people think PD does it just to "boost the number of cars", instead of trying to allow people to get extremely personal with the game.

I guess it boils down to this: Six months later, and I'm still having a blast with GT5. I do my car window shopping in it just like I have in every GT to date, I spend time messing around and doing donuts and burnouts, I try and track down every year and model of a certain car so I can say I have them all, etc. I feel that for my $69.99CDN+12%tax, I got more than I bargained for.

You just can't please some people, and unfortunately those people tend to speak the loudest over an extended period of time.
 
After 7 months, I'm nowhere near complete in collecting all the cars I want, neither have I completed all the championship races nor the Special Events (waiting to unlock the Sebastian Vettel challenge)

While I think PD went overboard with all the Skylines etc which in many cases are identical save for a few cosmetic differences, I simply do not collect those cars if I do not consider them to be different enough to warrant buying and testing. I still have 100's of cars to collect without them.

I counted the amount of different manufacturers/tuning companies there are in the game and I made it 94! That's quite incredible really.
I know that without doing B-Spec, it will take a long time to buy all the expensive racing cars I want but it doesn't worry me. I'm in no hurry to complete the game asap.
 
In my personal view all this negativity towards PD/GT5 is just matter of unfulfilled personal expectations.

If you look any other racing game outthere and compare it with GT5, you will find many areas where they also need major improvements. And vice-versa.

It all comes down back to this:
Many games maybe have something what Gran Turismo series does not, but no other game have what Gran Turismo series has.

And what is that "something" I can't elaborate in one forum post, but that "something" makes every single GT game in last 14 years being better than any other racing game outthere for me personally.

Is is all subjective and personal, period.
 
POLYPHONY DIGIT needs to open it's eye's to the rest of the gaming world. These days it's no good being such an honorable a company has PD are because I still think the GT series is catered towards the Japanese people and are really blind to what the rest of the gaming world want out of a game. Other companies have capitalized on this (not mentioning names) and are turning out a lot better games (sub-par to GT5 in terms of physics & gameplay etc, but better games) IMO.
 
@amar212The winds have spoken

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...i can only hope, but here comes a typical response below EDIT: i mean above.... well that was quick.
 
amar212
In my personal view all this negativity towards PD/GT5 is just matter of unfulfilled personal expectations.
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No its the fact that the supposed king of racing games doesn't have a feature that even most of the arcade racing games have and thats leaderboards especially single player. Even the prologue version of GT5 had more leaderboards. Now because of prologue I expected similiar time trial leaderboards on GT5. Fair enough maybe not leaderboards for each car but at least more than GT5 currently has. Even TDU 2 has a leaderboard for each single player event!

What I find interesting is if Turn 10 released a Forza game without leaderboards the community would be very upset and angry and yet on here very few seem bothered. So why the difference between communities. The simple answer is because the Forza community and the Xbox community in general is far more online orientated when it comes to online gaming. However in fairness to PD this isn't just their fault because overall the online experience on the 360 is far superior to the PS3 thanks to Xbox live. For example I still cannot believe party chat isn't a feature on PSN.
 
As I sad, personal preference.

I am host of an small GT-racing community in Croatia, we have like 100+ dedicated members.Of all of us, maybe less than 10% actually cares about leaderboards because majority of us just spend all the time online in MP racing, championships and such. At this point, our mutual crave goes for introduction of more tracks at some point and it is the only improvement we all want unanimously.

Few of our members are hard-core Time-Trial guys who would like to see full-leaderboards but even current format of Seasonal Time Trials suffices to them because they all pretty much take the TOP10 places this way or another and introduction of full-leaderboards would just dissolve their focus in conquering the world with Croatian flags :)

In short, your personal preference would be leaderboards.

My personal preference would be online racing with forced stock settings or forced particular car on stock settings where no crap such as PP limiters, crazy suspension settings adjustments and such would ruin the competitiveness.

For some other guy Livery Editor is a must, while he does not care about leaderboards or stock-settings options.

Fourth guy would like to see more A-Spec events because he can't go online and enjoy great Seasonal races, or he just don't see more than 40 races now available in Seasonals as extension of A-Spec mode.

Fifth guy can't stand existing B-Spec format because it does not allow him to fast-forward the carrer in his goal to Platinum or credits, while sixth guy plays only B-Spec, favors all improvements made in B-Spec form GT4 and finally have a great feel of actual accomplishment once he beats the AI in full real-time RPG racing that exists only in GT5.

It all comes down to personal preference, really.
 
amar212
In my personal view all this negativity towards PD/GT5 is just matter of unfulfilled personal expectations.

If you look any other racing game outthere and compare it with GT5, you will find many areas where they also need major improvements. And vice-versa.

It all comes down back to this:
Many games maybe have something what Gran Turismo series does not, but no other game have what Gran Turismo series has.

And what is that "something" I can't elaborate in one forum post, but that "something" makes every single GT game in last 14 years being better than any other racing game outthere for me personally.
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First, other console games are not Gran Turismo and carry none of the quality, prestige, or the legitimate flagship role IMO GT had earned.

Therefore they carry little of the resulting following and expectation that likewise attended the status of the GT series, at least up to GT5.

That something of which you speak is a two edged sword.
It has endeared many to the following ranks, with praise and adoration.

However with GT5, many of those followers, myself among them, feel betrayed for omissions of features, previously deemed essential ingredients in that something.

Accordingly, the outcry has been long and loud.

This game for me contains only trace elements of that something.
Way too little to generate the familarity, easily produced in previous games.

I do not hate PD, but I have been shocked by this installment.


amar212
Is is all subjective and personal, period.
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I agree totally.
However there is a legitimate concensus for many of the critical comments made here at GTP.
 
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No other company would have gotten away with copying PS2 cars and putting them directly into a PS3 game.

PD got away with this on the back of their reputation and alot of people feel abit let down and cheated as they trusted PD would realease a 5 star game and were let down bit by bit before release.

I like the game but there are shortcomings and it wasnt what I expected from a gran turismo game
 
amar212
In my personal view all this negativity towards PD/GT5 is just matter of unfulfilled personal expectations.
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This, for me, is the crux of it. When it comes to what should have been included in the game, opinions are like bellybuttons - everyone has one. It would actually be quite interesting to colate all the "I can't beleiev they didn't include..." threads and see how much would need to be added to the game to satisfy them all. I also think it would be interesting to see how many directly contradict each other.

I read a lot of the threads on this forum that moan about some feature not being in the game and think "why would you even want that?" WHich kind of makes my point...
 
kimi123
He din't even support his opnion with s ome evidence. But who cares?
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You made a massive generalization that basically said the only people who are disappointed with GT5 are the ones who couldn't have known what to expect because they weren't following the game's development

It doesn't take rocket science to point out the flaws in that idea, especially not when you only have to go back about 2 months prior to release to see PD still building up expectations for things that weren't in the final game.



But if you really want an example: Photomode. PD spent tons of time talking up the greatly expanded features that it would have in GT5. Therefore, expecting it to be better in every way than it was in GT4 is a perfectly reasonable thing to think because that is exactly what we were told.
Then the game comes out and we are treated to intentional and stupid restrictions that make it considerably worse than it was in GT4 for 80% of the cars in the game. So, PD spent several months building up our expectations for a certain feature in the game to levels that they wanted, then they went out of their way to intentionally defy them.
 
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Compare the current GT to games like Forza,etc and unless you have your head all the way up your ass you cannot deny it is lackluster,made all the more glaring by it's competitors.Im not gonna spoon feed evidence,you check for yourself.

Previous GT's were pioneers and clear winners but GT5...Is not.It is still a decent game but not up to the lofty standards set nowadays.It also has a whole rap sheet of flaws relative to the near spotless record of other games.Live with it.

The only reason I bought and still play it is because I am a long time PS3 user,I like the wheel feedback,like racing people who actually are good and know what they're doing and that it at least resembles reality in it's overall philosiphy.
 
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