Stop Hating Polyphony Digital

[diegorborges]

As I sad, personal preference.

I am host of an small GT-racing community in Croatia, we have like 100+ dedicated members.Of all of us, maybe less than 10% actually cares about leaderboards because majority of us just spend all the time online in MP racing, championships and such. At this point, our mutual crave goes for introduction of more tracks at some point and it is the only improvement we all want unanimously.

Few of our members are hard-core Time-Trial guys who would like to see full-leaderboards but even current format of Seasonal Time Trials suffices to them because they all pretty much take the TOP10 places this way or another and introduction of full-leaderboards would just dissolve their focus in conquering the world with Croatian flags

In short, your personal preference would be leaderboards.

My personal preference would be online racing with forced stock settings or forced particular car on stock settings where no crap such as PP limiters, crazy suspension settings adjustments and such would ruin the competitiveness.

For some other guy Livery Editor is a must, while he does not care about leaderboards or stock-settings options.

Fourth guy would like to see more A-Spec events because he can't go online and enjoy great Seasonal races, or he just don't see more than 40 races now available in Seasonals as extension of A-Spec mode.

Fifth guy can't stand existing B-Spec format because it does not allow him to fast-forward the carrer in his goal to Platinum or credits, while sixth guy plays only B-Spec, favors all improvements made in B-Spec form GT4 and finally have a great feel of actual accomplishment once he beats the AI in full real-time RPG racing that exists only in GT5.

It all comes down to personal preference, really.

Wise words. And it describes perfectly what's happening on GTP since GT5 came out. In general, I just think people should keep a bit of their personal preferences for themselves and not making the forums a battleground of complainers/haters/trolls and all. There's people that come around JUST to destroy topics that once were "happy places" with their frustrated expectations, everyday, all the time. Imho thats not good.

It's not like nobody can make critics, yeah, there's some flawed points in the game, but then some people take the lack of one of his personal features as the biggest flaw in the universe. It's a big game. Big expectations, and a HUGE audience to make happy. That's not easy.

As you said, personal preference. Me and a lot of friends that are car tuners/collectors and we meet online to showoff and race our "creations", all we want is a bunch of new cars and wheels for standards, and some tracks for our battles and cruises. Leaderboards are not my number 1 priority. More cars/tracks are. But I don't go around on 20 different topics saying: "OMG, game is crap, gimmeh more wheels PD".

 

[cuco33]

I love PD. GT was epic beyond anything I played and I've been with the series since the 1st version. I'm NOT a fan of Prologues so I detested it's existence especially in my region. I thought GT4 was good but not great as to me, it felt more of the same. The big inclusions I wanted, I was hyped for and we heard rumors and discussion for didn't come (mostly the online, but I also wanted more realism by adding a damage system, the timed penalty system was broken).

But I'd be lieing if I didn't say I've been disappointed from GT4 and on. GT4 I liked, just not as much as I did GT3 due to what I mentioned above. I got a PSP mainly for GT PSP and it came years after launch. What we got was a decent game limited to 3 AI. The no career mode killed it for me though. Then GT5P and my stance on Prologues was there. The GT5 launched and it's a great game but way too many issues for me to be back to my love for the GT series. I got myself digging at what PD's been busy all this time to impact GT5 as it did. And it was clear as day for me. Absolute mismanagement of the franchise and I don't think all the side projects they were on helped 1 bit. PD does not outsource any of their work so all sideprojects impacted the game's development. Things like, game related, GTHD and Prologues we could have done without. Things like Nissan GT-R's hud design, a few Nissan 350z kit designs, prototype designs of the Citroen GT and Red Bull X1, the 24hr 'ring event that Kaz was part of, Sony's 4k tech demos, tons of auto manufacturer's promo video to even those race demos specific to I believe select Mercedes dealerships. All of this helped PD get it's foot deeper in the door with the auto manufacturers but did NOT help GT5's development. I like that they have a passion for cars but what made PD, PD... was GT and their massive fumbling of the franchise really steered long time fans away, or at best open their horizons to other games and other platforms. I myself got into PC sims and eventually Forza but I still got a PS3 (and PSP) mainly for GT and was day 1 buying GT5 (and GT PSP). Still love the game but it's not what I was expecting. Could have been MUCH better had PD stuck to GT5 development or been open to outsourcing work. Kaz is a perfectionist so I'm glad that the game is getting patched even months after launch. Look at Prologue... by the 3rd patch you saw a revamped physics model, more cars and tracks without paying a single dime.

I always did wonder where the 5yr dev time and $60mil that was reported as development costs went...

 

[zqxwjv]

its not completed and there is some delays. but its happening because they want perfection

They dont want perfection. They want to fully implement Kaz's vision for the series which is neither perfection nor what the community wants.

When pigs fly PD will begin to give the community what they have been asking for.

 

[deep_sky]

I always did wonder where the 5yr dev time and $60mil that was reported as development costs went...

Well, when you take a premium car on the Ring at night/dusk/dawn with the dash fully illuminated, that $60 million is right in front of your eyes.

But then of course if you take a standard car around Autumn Ring it's suddenly "oh s:censored:, what the f:censored: happened??"

I'm not worried about GT going forward regards the premium cars and premium tracks, coupled with the physics and lighting; I'm sure a PS4 GT title will look and drive sublimely.

I just worry about Polyphony's ability to create a game with features that such a large and diverse audience is demanding.

 

[phil-t]

The simple fact is, you don't get a choice with GT, it doesn't cater too well for the individual, and it's starting to lack the 'tools' to help the community build itself..

If you just look at how online/offline are fast becoming blurred in all games, how user generated content and other features allow communities to form and grow, and how it all has to work coherently and seemlessly, you can start to see that Kaz needs to figure out how to bring his vision to the masses in a more modern way..

 

[SuperCobraJet]

It's a fact GT5 has the best physics of any game on a console.


I don't believe you professional because average joe said other wise so since he has an opposing opinion yours is invalid professional. (No logic)

It is readily apparent from this comment, you are completely consumed with "visions of GT5 grandeur".

That being the case, I feel confident any further communique of rational thought would be a complete waste of time and words.

BTW I love that (No logic) part.

 

[another_jakhole]

Damn this is pointless. GT5 wasn't finished when it was released. End of discussion

 

[MoGoSpeed]

It is readily apparent from this comment, you are completely consumed with "visions of GT5 grandeur".

That being the case, I feel confident any further communique of rational thought would be a complete waste of time and words.

BTW I love that (No logic) part.

Actually its pretty apparent, I was specifically talking of the physics.

Second line just seems like a cop out for having no actual response.

Its ok to be wrong sometimes my friend.

 

[prymet1me]

Damn this is pointless. GT5 wasn't finished when it was released. End of discussion

You are walking a fine line with that post here.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Actually its pretty apparent, I was specifically talking of the physics.

Second line just seems like a cop out for having no actual response.

Its ok to be wrong sometimes my friend.

Until you come to the rational and foregone conclusion the physics are in the realm of opinion, there is nothing else to discuss.

If you think your inflated opinions somehow magically convert to facts, then you are even more delusional than it appears.

There is no wrong or right. Only opinions.

 

[MoGoSpeed]

^Opinions are like Buttholes... everyone has one. Does it make everyone right? No

How is it strictly an opinion if the majority is true.
You act as if all opinions are justifiable. Anything can come out of anyones mouth.

And your whole thing about Average Joe vs Professional opinion.... "but's it's still only opinion" is the most horrible comparison, and if I have to explain... I'm afraid there's no hope for you.

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It's like if someone held a poll thread "Best physics on a console"... the majority goes to GT5... then within you'll get discussions about why it feels the most realistic compared to other games, and relating it to real life situations.... which in turn gets you more factual comparisons because it is in relation to real life which is tangible to us all, and therefore can be analyzed and opinions will hold a much more justifiable stance.

 

[kimi123]

You made a massive generalization that basically said the only people who are disappointed with GT5 are the ones who couldn't have known what to expect because they weren't following the game's development

It doesn't take rocket science to point out the flaws in that idea, especially not when you only have to go back about 2 months prior to release to see PD still building up expectations for things that weren't in the final game.



But if you really want an example: Photomode. PD spent tons of time talking up the greatly expanded features that it would have in GT5. Therefore, expecting it to be better in every way than it was in GT4 is a perfectly reasonable thing to think because that is exactly what we were told.
Then the game comes out and we are treated to intentional and stupid restrictions that make it considerably worse than it was in GT4 for 80% of the cars in the game. So, PD spent several months building up our expectations for a certain feature in the game to levels that they wanted, then they went out of their way to intentionally defy them.

They have Photo travel. You just assumed it would be lot more just like everyone was expecting more tracks and many of GT4 din't even make up for some reason.

 

[another_jakhole]

As John Lennon once told me, "Let it be."



Apparently, I'm walking a fine line.

 

[Tornado]

They have Photo travel. You just assumed it would be lot more just like everyone was expecting more tracks and many of GT4 din't even make up for some reason.

All of the stuff PD threw out about the expanded options and the higher quality locations. All of the images that PD showed of the system being used. And in the end they neglected to mention that for Standard cars, the entire thing would be basically pointless because they wouldn't let you take photos of them like they would for the Premiums.

Expecting to be able to do all of the Photomode things constantly promised by PD with all of the cars in the game is not an unrealistic expectation. In fact, since there is no logical justification for having the restrictions in the first place, there is no way to even claim that PD couldn't be at fault for creating said expectations.



That's just one example anyways. There are plenty more.

 

[kimi123]

Why should they allow to take pics of standard cars. It make sense only for premiums anyways

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Why should they allow to take pics of standard cars. It make sense only for premiums anyways

You do realize the game can show standard cars in photomode locations on the main menu of the game, right? Sounds like a contradiction to me. It makes NO sense.

 

[Tornado]

Why should they allow to take pics of standard cars.

The correct question is why shouldn't they?

Is it called Premium Photo Travel mode? Does it lock out the Premium cars that suffer from modelling errors? Is there some technical reason that they couldn't do it? Did GT4 have such restrictions with the cars in that game that looked poor?

The answer to all four questions is "No."

It make sense only for premiums anyways

Does it now? So why does the feature even exist?

 

[kimi123]

There is no technical reason it just doesn't look good.

 

[Tornado]

There is no technical reason it just doesn't look good.

That's not a valid reason. Its not even a consistent reason.

 

[kimi123]

Gameplay wise it does not change much but in photo mode why would anyone want to do that. It seems pretty obvious to me that they din't include it

 

[Tornado]

Gameplay wise it does not change much but in photo mode why would anyone want to do that.

Again, wrong question. The correct question is why does you not understanding why someone would want to use a feature the way it was advertised justify an attitude of "they aren't allowed to do that even if they want to." Because, again, PD had to go out of their way to implement those restrictions.



And it is incredibly easy to find a reason why people might want to not to put up with such absurd restrictions. In fact, there are 830 of them.

 

[kimi123]

I don't blame them it was a wise decision not to have standard cars for photo mode. They had lot of things planned. I remeber there was some rumor or something where they said that when you are online you can actually check the weather condition and time of day on that track and the game will automatically choose that for you. So if right now it is overcast and damp at Nurburgring. It will be same in the game. Now that would be really cool feature to have.

Youtube integration and uploading videos also would be nice but later they cancled it.

 

[Tornado]

I don't blame them it was a wise decision not to have standard cars for photo mode.

As crazy as such a statement is, your opinion on the matter is ultimately irrelevant to the topic.

Whether you agree with their decision makes no difference, because they still made the decision contrary to the expectations that they had built for the feature.

 

[kimi123]

You are reason for that feature is pretty lame. There are other important things they want to do which they couldn't. The game is not even as polished as it should be.

You are just trying too hard to make your point relevant to suit your argument

 

[Tornado]

You are reason for that feature is pretty lame.

I don't need a reason. They do. I want the features in the game to be as they were advertised. They intentionally took one of those features and placed massive restrictions on it, giving no advance warning and giving no justification for doing so (which, I might add, neither have you). Under the circumstances, PD deserves every bit of ire that they get for doing it, and they do every time they patch the game and don't fix it.

The difference between our viewpoints is that what I want is what I was promised, and what they delivered took extra effort to make it so it wasn't the way it was promised.

There are other important things they want to do which they couldn't.

This is also meaningless, because PD went out of their way to make Photomode the way it is. This wasn't something that they advertised but ran out of time to do. This isn't something that they advertised that doesn't work right. This is something that they intentionally broke.

And you're defending it because you like it? I don't care if you like it. I don't even care what crazy reason you may have for liking it. What you like is of no consequence to what was advertised and what was delivered.

You are just trying too hard to make your point relevant to suit your argument

Says the person who doesn't understand what the argument is in the first place.

 

[kimi123]

I don't need a reason. They do. I want the features in the game to be as they were advertised. They intentionally took one of those features and placed massive restrictions on it, giving no advance warning and giving no justification for doing so (which, I might add, neither have you). Under the circumstances, PD deserves every bit of ire that they get for doing it, and they do every time they patch the game and don't fix it.

The difference between our viewpoints is that what I want is what I was promised, and what they delivered took extra effort to make it so it wasn't the way it was promised.


This is also meaningless, because PD went out of their way to make Photomode the way it is. This wasn't something that they advertised but ran out of time to do. This isn't something that they advertised that doesn't work right. This is something that they intentionally broke.

And you're defending it because you like it? I don't care if you like it. I don't even care what crazy reason you may have for liking it. What you like is of no consequence to what was advertised and what was delivered.


Says the person who doesn't understand what the argument is in the first place.

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[II IVORBIGUN II]

If you just look at how online/offline are fast becoming blurred in all games, how user generated content and other features allow communities to form and grow, and how it all has to work coherently and seemlessly, you can start to see that Kaz needs to figure out how to bring his vision to the masses in a more modern way..

Excellent post.

These days video games is all about interacting with your friends whether this is sharing a tune on a racing game or having a game of headquarters on COD. The days of playing single player on your own endlessly re-running events to aqquire cars is well and truly over. If you had a single player leaderboard then this is interacting with your friends as you try and beat each other.

Take for example the other day when I played Forza 3. I said to my friends I didn't have any A class tunes and within secs these were gifted to me. These friends then sent me a party/game invite and within secs I was in the room talking to them. This seemless intergration with friends has been nailed by Turn 10/Xbox live and makes GT5/PSN very outdated.

Don't get me wrong im not enjoying slagging off GT5 especially after i've spent so much money i.e G25, PS3 etc. Im just so bitterly disappointed with the game because I was expecting it to be much more modern.

I probably won't be popular saying this but those who are content and happy with GT5 are those who are also behind the times. I bet some of you haven't even played the likes of FM/3 and probably continued playing GT4 whilst waiting for GT5. My point is if this is the case then you're probably happy with GT5 because you haven't experienced these modern gaming features that I describe.

So before anyone slags me off do yourselves a favour. Buy an Xbox 360, get Xbox live, FM3 and experience these features I mention. Only then can you really comment because I take no notice of anyone who is still living in the 1990s. Never understood the fanboy mentality. I own all consoles because you get nothing for being loyal to one console. I sometimes read on here " I will never buy a 360 or Forza". This makes me laugh do you really think Kaz gives a monkeys if you own a 360 or not lol.

 

[NLxAROSA]

The days of playing single player on your own endlessly re-running events to aqquire cars is well and truly over. If you had a single player leaderboard then this is interacting with your friends as you try and beat each other.

Yep, features like EAs Autolog (or Battlelog as it will be called in BF3) are amazing. Starting up a game, and being welcomed with messages of your friends beating your times in the single player events, friends (or the game itself!) recommending single player events to play and being to able to go those very events with one click on the message is brilliant. It draws you in and makes you want to play the single player career events instead of being forced to. Because there's always something to do. It's the difference between a playground and a cage.

 

[FishHunters]

Yep, features like EAs Autolog (or Battlelog as it will be called in BF3) are amazing. Starting up a game, and being welcomed with messages of your friends beating your times in the single player events, friends (or the game itself!) recommending single player events to play and being to able to go those very events with one click on the message is brilliant. It draws you in and makes you want to play the single player career events instead of being forced to. Because there's always something to do. It's the difference between a playground and a cage.

I wouldn't expect ANYTHING like that from PD & Kaz, probably ever!!! That's not the way they are built in the head. It's a driving game, get in your car, drive it and don't worry about all this other stuff is what they're saying. You'll probably see somehting like that from Forza because they think differently. They're all about souping up the game like a tuned car itself. Not so for PD, who are more traditionalists. PD is not run by a computer guru. They're run by a driver/racer even the racing isn't very competitive.

 

[NLxAROSA]

It's a driving game, get in your car, drive it and don't worry about all this other stuff is what they're saying.

I don't think that's a bad thing, because that's exactly what they made in GT PSP, and I liked that. It didn't have a career mode, and quite frankly, I never missed it. You get a starter car, do an event with it, earn cash and buy something new or upgrade. Add an online mode on top (I think the current model is not that bad, though it could use some improvements) and you can stay entertained for years. 👍