1974 Triumph Spitfire 1500 - Friday WIN frankygt-r! - Sun official winner wat3rm370n

turbogeit · Jun 11, 2011

The only race of the three that I enjoyed was the Monaco one. My car was really impossible in fast turns. Terrible oversteer from 60-70 miles on in fast corners.

I could manage it rather well in slow corners, but it was a disaster in fast ones.
Started experimenting with setup on Le Mans, which had as effect that I couldn't find back my good monaco set-up. But I must admit that even when I did my 1:59.8 in my lounge, it was 1 clean lap out of 5 or 6.

Best part of the evening was ther realistic, clean battle with Watermelonpunch. Thanks, that was great. Unfortunately, I took too many risks and I suppose you saw me spin-out when we turned into Saint-Devote.

Other thing: I don't understand anything at that censor. During the week, I was in France and each time I typed "Monaco" or "Monte Carlo", censor put stars over it. Yesterday evening, I was in Belgium and there it didn't do. Strange. Do the different national serves have other rules?

About custom ovals or other tracks. If you are interested in them, here two suggestions:

1) take a look at the "WSCC Road Endurance" course. 5.8 miles, high speed, with a Hockenheim or Fuji-like labyrinth. It is on-line on my turbogeit account.

2) With the Spit (if I learn to drive it), a very twisty 100-turns tarmac track could be great. I have one that we could use. I did only 1 lap on it three months ago (in a WSCC-rally). So 2 possibilities: we use id as a "secret" track, or I put it could put it on line on my second account.

jackargent · Jun 11, 2011

Really enjoyed last night. Especially my battle for podium at Rome with melon man. Gutted I can't make Sunday. But am up for any other races in the spitfire. Love driving old cars. What about a race in the jensen interceptor?

watermelon punch · Jun 11, 2011

elginge: Go ahead & post whatever you've got here, if you like. I'd be interested to see. I hope someone will post some photos of the race I missed!

jackargent: It's melon lady.

I definitely think it's interesting to note the lap time vs. finishing position thing...

I'm pretty sure I was ahead of jackargent in the starting line up at Rome, so I think my qualifying time was better than his... and yet he beat me to the punch! Probably because he had no crashes!
I was not so conservative, trying to keep RDAardvark in my sights for the 1st 2 laps, and I spun out & had a major crash into the wall. Then I was staying with jackargent trading places for a bit... then I had another spin round at the U before the S/F straight & jackargent pulled ahead quite a bit... and in the last 3 laps I managed to be very consistent & fast enough to catch back up with him - setting a lower lap time than I did in practice or qualifying!

In the Monte Carlo race, I set my lowest lap time during the race when turbogeit was right behind me for I think 3 laps straight. But I know turbogeit's practice lap time was over 3 seconds lower than even my in-race best lap of all. And his best lap in the race was 2 seconds lower than my best lap in the race... yet I finished before him.
We had an interesting position switching, where he hopped ahead of me for a second, and then I hopped right back in again. That was pretty wild. It is so difficult to make clean passes on the Monte Carlo track!!

I had no spin-outs or crashes at all at Monaco. Just small errors. I got away from turbogeit only because of the massive spin he took going up the hill! I actually happened to be looking in my rearview mirror at the time and saw it... and actually yelped out loud "YO!" hahaha

It was quite an impressive spin out!!
I was actually a bit disappointed when he dropped back... though it may have been the only way for me!

So it proves my point that lap times may be important... but they are not everything. Clearly not crashing is pretty important! :lol:

From the replays I watched frankygt-r/aokiji85... not only never spun or crashed, he seemed to be racing error-free! He clearly is talented (at least with this car!)... and clearly he put in some practice as well. He appeared very prepared.

I hope to get some tips frankygt-r!

elginge/RDAardvark had the most error free races I've ever been in with him!

I have to admit, going by other races I've seen him in, I was rather counting on him slipping up somewhere to give me a chance. hahahaha But maybe he's been hustling me. Like when it sounded like he didn't know we were on Rome, not Rome Reverse. I was thinking... ah, maybe he will trip up! But no... he was near the top of his game yesterday!

turbogeit · Jun 11, 2011

watermelonpunch
In the Monte Carlo race, I set my lowest lap time during the race when turbogeit was right behind me for I think 3 laps straight. But I know turbogeit's practice lap time was over 3 seconds lower than even my in-race best lap of all. And his best lap in the race was 2 seconds lower than my best lap in the race... yet I finished before him.
We had an interesting position switching, where he hopped ahead of me for a second, and then I hopped right back in again. That was pretty wild. It is so difficult to make clean passes on the Monte Carlo track!!

I had no spin-outs or crashes at all at Monaco. Just small errors. I got away from turbogeit only because of the massive spin he took going up the hill! I actually happened to be looking in my rearview mirror at the time and saw it... and actually yelped out loud "YO!" hahaha It was quite an impressive spin out!!
I was actually a bit disappointed when he dropped back... though it may have been the only way for me!

So it proves my point that lap times may be important... but they are not everything. Clearly not crashing is pretty important!

That battle was indeed the best part of the evening, and worth al the suffering I had before at Rome and Le Mans and yes I can very good imagine your reaction when I had that oversteer problem uphill.

Problem with fast online practice laps is that before coming to that fast laps, I often have 5 or 6 crash-laps, while during qualifying and race, you can't take the same risks.

About grid order: some of the grids were probably wrong. I think we better do things in another order:

- "bump out" everybody to lounge by changing twice the settings before qualifying, not after.
- forbid everybody to quit track (no return to lounge or pits via exit button)
- push start button after X minutes.

That normally gives a "clean" grid.

P.S. Watching Le Mans: what a big crash McNish did there!

watermelon punch · Jun 11, 2011

turbogeit: I was quite surprised about your wild spin on that part of the track starting up the hill. I never have to worry on that part of the track about settling my car down... It seems quite stable through that area. But perhaps I never really try to push it in that section... because my main goal there, is getting a good & steady run at the hill, and taking the slight turn fast only slows me down on the hill, so I don't bother trying to push it through that turn - thus my car stays settled through there.

Maybe you pushed it too far because you were racing me instead of the track?!

I had to concentrate a lot to race the track instead of you. My wild crash came on Rome because I was trying to race RDAardvark, instead of racing the track. Then I made the same mistake racing jackargent instead of the track, & crashed again. Then I finally learned my lesson... So at Monte Carlo, I didn't make that mistake. My focus was on the track.

Yes, I agree, if I didn't feel so pressed for time, I would've changed settings to get everyone in the lobby & back to the pit. But since we were running late, & I worried about going over time, I skipped it. Sometimes changing settings makes wait too long to change them back.

If there was a mistake in grid position on Monte Carlo, it was between you and RDAardvark. But I can't be sure. I think the rest of us were definitely in the right position for the other races.
At least hopefully, I don't think any errors in starting grid had a big impact on the races, as in watching replays of Races 2 & 3, it's clear that battles were the #1 cause of position changes during these races. It appeared that there was much cunning being employed!

turbogeit · Jun 11, 2011

watermelonpunch
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Maybe you pushed it too far because you were racing me instead of the track?!

Indeed, that was the problem, together with a bad setup.

Yes, I agree, if I didn't feel so pressed for time, I would've changed settings to get everyone in the lobby & back to the pit. But since we were running late, & I worried about going over time, I skipped it. Sometimes changing settings makes wait too long to change them back.

If there was a mistake in grid position on Monte Carlo, it was between you and RDAardvark. But I can't be sure. I think the rest of us were definitely in the right position for the other races.
At least hopefully, I don't think any errors in starting grid had a big impact on the races, as in watching replays of Races 2 & 3, it's clear that battles were the #1 cause of position changes during these races. It appeared that there was much cunning being employed!

I agree: it didn't affect the result.

Don't know whether my explanation was clear: the return to lounge must happen before qualifying, but not at the end: everybody should stay on track and host pushes on the start button.

But for a first hosting you did it very well. And what happened to you, happened also to me when I first hosted a race: I got disconnected too!

watermelon punch · Jun 11, 2011

turbogeit
Don't know whether my explanation was clear: the return to lounge must happen before qualifying, but not at the end: everybody should stay on track and host pushes on the start button.

No, that is not how I understand qualifying working properly at all.

Stigshero explains it best here:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5421712#post5421712

My conclusion is that you're position on the track seems to over-ride your fastest lap time

This is my observation as well.
Qualifying laps are useless if people are on the track when the race starts... The game will consider the cars' positions on the track more than their best qualifying time. So if your time is better than mine, but I manage to be ahead of you on the track... I will be put on the grid before you.

It allows a loophole for cheating, if someone knows this and can manage their position by waiting for the race start, by parking just before the S/F line during a timed lap. It will mean that even if their best lap time was the slowest, they will wind up on pole position. (I'm not sure the exact details of how you would do this, as I have never tried to cheat with this loophole deliberately. And in my experience, I think most of the time the error occurs not deliberately, but because people don't know about this.)

The only way to avoid this is to have no one on the track when the race is starting. If everyone is in the pit, and does not hit "drive", it will line everyone up on the grid according to their recorded best lap times.

Append: (I should say the only way to easily avoid this... As some people take a more complicated way of doing it. And they somehow record everyone's qualifying laps, and then make everyone enter the track and line up in order determined by the host's recording the qualifying lap times, and then stay in that order parked, until the race starts. Personally, that's a lot of work... and I think the same can be easily achieved by just having everyone exit to lounge, and then enter the pit & not hit drive. It seems to be working correctly for Stigshero in the RM Capp races. So that's why I decided to go that route, in favour of time-saving.)

turbogeit · Jun 11, 2011

watermelonpunch
The only way to avoid this is to have no one on the track when the race is starting. If everyone is in the pit, and does not hit "drive", it will line everyone up on the grid according to their recorded best lap times.

In one of our tests, that procedure went completely wrong.

We have tried now several times the following:

- reset all times.
- everybody on track forbidding them to leave it.
- qualifying for 10 minutes
- host hits start button while everyone is on track.

We will do some more testing with this in WSCC, but for the moment it seems to work.

For 1h endurances, we do a one row line up with rolling start in reverse championship order (fastest guys at the end of the grid). Last Monday, the last guy on the grid won with 18 seconds difference...

watermelon punch · Jun 11, 2011

turbogeit
In one of our tests, that procedure went completely wrong.

Well, I can't speak to your tests & procedures. But in the effort of consolidating information, I highly recommend you post about this on the thread that I linked to... and move this discussion there. Since your test results may be of interest to people reading that thread.
And I have NO intentions in races that I host, to police the entire Le Mans track, for example, making sure nobody's lurking around the S/F, or driving backwards back over the S/F, re-entering the pit & track, or knocking another qualifying car into the sand to get ahead of them on one of the qualifying laps & secure an ahead position on the track just in the nick of time, over someone who's set a better record...
It's much easier just to watch people exit their cars to the lounge, and then re-enter the pit, and listen to make sure nobody's driving out of the pit.
If I found after a few experiences, that this method is flawed. I would then proceed next to the qualifying one at a time method, and recording the lap times, and having people line up on the track & park in the order of their best lap times, to wait for race start.
Or I would have a qualifying race, and just go with reverse grid order if all else failed.

Because I don't know what it's like in the WSCC... Perhaps things are a bit more in a serious tone.
But for ME, I'm all for less work, less waiting - more racing, and more time spent having fun. (Including for the host if it's me!)

jackargent · Jun 11, 2011

jackargent: It's melon lady.

So sorry watermelon! It's simple to assume it's all guys... I am old enough & should be wise enough to know better!

Good job I didn't know during the race or I would have been forced to let you past!... That'll be right.

Anyway my apologies & hope to meet you on the track soon.

Turbo is right u did a fine job hosting. Wouldn't have guessed it was your first time.

Hope u all enjoy tomorrow's race

watermelon punch · Jun 11, 2011

jackargent
So sorry watermelon! It's simple to assume it's all guys... I am old enough & should be wise enough to know better!

Good job I didn't know during the race or I would have been forced to let you past!... That'll be right.

It's okay, I tend to imagine everyone else as being women. :lol:

I'm not offended at all. I think it's better if someone just thinks of me as a person, and it's more complimentary to be treated no differently.

I believe men should treat other men in a sportsmanlike & gentlemanlike manner.
I believe that men & women, should treat other men or women, in the same competitive manner, and with the same rules of track etiquette.

That said, I'm enjoying all the pink gifts I've been receiving lately from men on my PSN friends list. HEEHEE.

A few have sent me a bunch of nice pink helmets & pink suits. I think it will be eventually possible to suit all my bspecs in pink & green!

turbogeit · Jun 11, 2011

Qualifying problems is one of the negative points in GT5.

It is over months that we are trying to find the right solution, and each time we think we found it, we find out it just didn't work.

Perhaps that what you do is the good solution.

So, what I suggest is that next time, when you send us back to the lounge in order to have a correct grid, that we post a message with our best lap. That will make it possible to check whether grid order is correct.

Edit:Problem of our procedure is indeed that it is difficult to control whether nobody "steps out", but normally you see that at the top left of the screen, where the number of cars on track is indicated.

Will post our procedure on the thread you quoted.

I hope that one day Polyphony will propose us something better, with f.e. the actual qualifying results on screen while you race, and that they add the distances compared to preceding and following cars in race, like in Forza3.

watermelon punch · Jun 11, 2011

OwensRacing
Brandon aka StigsHero has a left turn baby oval and I have a right turn baby oval. No doubt one of these. Prefer the lefty. Would be awesome!!!!

OH BOY. When you said BABY oval... You really meant baby!
I actually think the Spitfire is a bit too big for it. LOL I got dizzy.
Though I could totally see some wonderful drafting battles with a Mazda Carol on it, or something. hahaha!!!

turbogeit
So, what I suggest is that next time, when you send us back to the lounge in order to have a correct grid, that we post a message with our best lap. That will make it possible to check whether grid order is correct.

That's a good idea for checking. Perhaps we will try that tomorrow for comparison purpose.
And I agree... it is odd that there isn't a better way set up in the game for this.
Mainly I think it's easier to notice if someone leaves the pit, than be sure what's happening on all parts of the track during qualifying.

Jujubean · Jun 12, 2011

Well, I managed a personal best of 2:03--- at Monaco after an hour or so of practicing. I got pretty bored driving around Le Mans at half the speed of what the cars driving there right now are doing, besides most of that race will come down to drafting. I have done a few laps around Rome, but could use some more practice there. All in all my goal is to not come in last in every race. Gotta go to bed soon though, to wake up in time to see the end of Le Mans!

RDAardvark · Jun 12, 2011

Some photos from our Friday race at Le Mans:

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Waiting for the off.

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Err, guys. You left me behind!

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Formation driving.

You can download the saved replay file here.

turbogeit · Jun 12, 2011

@elginge -RDaardvark: I tried your setup yesterday: It is a completely different car.
It passes faster in the corners and oversteer gets controlable.

Thanks! On Rome, I made a 1:30 without pushing.

watermelon punch · Jun 12, 2011

elginge
Err, guys. You left me behind!

.....

Thanks for the laugh. haha
From my end, I peeled out & nearly hit the car in front of me, and then a screen came up saying I'd been disconnected from the server.
Never had that happen before inside a race. It better not happen today!!

Jujubean
Well, I managed a personal best of 2:03--- at Monaco after an hour or so of practicing. I got pretty bored driving around Le Mans at half the speed of what the cars driving there right now are doing, besides most of that race will come down to drafting. I have done a few laps around Rome, but could use some more practice there. All in all my goal is to not come in last in every race. Gotta go to bed soon though, to wake up in time to see the end of Le Mans!

It's okay. I didn't get below 2:03.0 on Monaco... And I didn't come in last in Friday's race, simply because I never spun out or hit a wall, and I concentrated on getting around the tight corners efficiently as I could.

I know all about bottom-of-the-grid strategy.

(And I've had some of the most exciting races down at the bottom of the grid. haha.)

IMO, if you have a slow lap time compared to others, the best strategy to take is just to try to be error free as top priority.
My tips for not getting left out behind:
On Le Mans, make sure you keep up with someone for the straight, don't blow it on the corner at the end of the straight or at Indianapolis. On Monte Carlo, you can hold a faster racer up by defending your line for the corners, & forcing them into a less convenient line if they want to try a pass. And on Rome, hit the apexes well without losing the rear, and don't spin out ever.
If you can manage those things well, in at least one of the races, you have a shot at not coming in last, even if you're actually rather slow in general.
I was slow at Monte Carlo, and beat turbogeit. And jackargent was rather slow at Rome, and beat me & turbogeit.

Though my suspicion is that you're hustling me Jujubean! LOL

turbogeit
@elginge -RDaardvark: I tried your setup yesterday: It is a completely different car.
It passes faster in the corners and oversteer gets controlable.

Yeah, I think his ride height & ARB settings & his 7.2 spring rates, flatten out the ride, which helps loads on Rome.
My set-up is a bit different... Because if I used his even steven spring rates, I wind up sliding sideways on Le Mans & Monte Carlo at inconvenient times!!

turbogeit · Jun 12, 2011

I must say that at Monte Carlo Aardvark's setup was not 100% convincing, because there are no fast corners.

RDAardvark · Jun 12, 2011

turbogeit
I must say that at Monte Carlo Aardvark's setup was not 100% convincing, because there are no fast corners.

glad you both tried my setup. It's not perfect my any means but at least brings the car under some control. I do alter it for Monaco though: lower the car and toughen up the springs.

turbogeit · Jun 12, 2011

elginge
glad you both tried my setup. It's not perfect my any means but at least brings the car under some control. I do alter it for Monaco though: lower the car and toughen up the springs.

Your setup is excellent for tracks with fast sweepers, but for Monte carlo, the car doesn't turn well enough.

I had the impression my own softer setup worked better here. But I trust you when you say your lower and stiffer setup works better on Monte Carlo. I am wondering why on a city track a stiffer and lower setup can be better.

Jujubean · Jun 12, 2011

That was a blast. I really enjoyed Rome. It would have been even better if I could have seen CC570 before Monaco. :lol:

I am going to take some pics later, but my impressions were as follows:

Le Mans:
I hung with Watermelon (and apparently CC) up through most of the first lap, but I made a mistake somewhere in there, which resulted in a lonely 2 more laps. :ouch:

Rome:
Great race battling with Watermelon (...and apparently CC). It seemed like you (Watermelon) were faster through through the first half of the track, but I had the back half down. I kept overtaking you around the little kink at the end of the back straight. I don't really know how CC fit into all of this, haha. AArdvark looked like he was having a tough race with a bunch of unfortunate mistakes. I was pretty sure I was going to beat Watermelon, until I lost it coming through the kink on the last lap.

Monaco:
I tried a risky move and used a different transmission setup than I had practiced with. The result is that my first few laps were a little slower while I figured out when and how to re-adapt to the track. I thought I was going to be able to take CC, but again, I made some last minute mistakes and lost it.

All in all though, I accomplished my goal by placing ahead of Aardvark at Rome. If he hadn't wiped out in the last turn, I wouldn't have been able to, haha.

I am excited for the upcoming race that CC is planning, and I will do some testing. I am also still thinking about my vintage rally race, so I will do some testing and post in the Vintage race club section.

EDIT: Also, congrats to IMZIZ for some really clean and consistent driving. 👍

watermelon punch · Jun 12, 2011

I'll get all the official results & some photos posted a bit later. (Including some that will bring revelation to CC570 & Jujubean!)

I just have to say... My points standing, I think the kids would call it a "facepalm" victory. :ouch:

I feel like I do when I wind up 1st on the grid, because of reverse grid order. :lol:

So sorry IMZIZ didn't get to finish the 1st race!
Both events had some poor luck there with disconnection for Le Mans. First me on Friday, then IMZIZ today.

RDAardvark · Jun 12, 2011

turbogeit
Your setup is excellent for tracks with fast sweepers, but for Monte carlo, the car doesn't turn well enough.

I had the impression my own softer setup worked better here. But I trust you when you say your lower and stiffer setup works better on Monte Carlo. I am wondering why on a city track a stiffer and lower setup can be better.

Think imziz has the best setup and is a better driver than me. Watching the replays, his car is really settled, plus he's a lot braver and takes the corners very well.

Just one question about Rome: who could you see cc570? I got the impression you couldn't see me.

watermelon punch · Jun 12, 2011

SUNDAY Event E CHAMPIONSHIP RESULTS

Winner - watermelonpunch / wat3rm370n / salvia green

CONGRATULATIONS TO IMZIZ
FOR TAKING THE WINS IN BOTH RACES IN WHICH YOU COMPETED!!!!

IMZIZ crosses the finish line in 1st place @ Monte Carlo Monaco (Cote D'Azur)

Congratulations to elginge/RDAardvark for 2nd place in championship points at both events, and being prize winner in this one!

Championship Points:
1st Place : 64 - watermelonpunch / wat3rm370n / salvia green
2nd Place : 62 - elginge / RDAardvark / deep red
3rd Place : 57 - CC570 / CC570 / maple
4th Place : 50 - IMZIZ / IMZIZ / red
5th Place : 49 - Jujubean / Jujubean14 / robin's egg blue

Race Results

Race 1 - 3 laps @ (Le Mans) Circuit del la Sarthe 2009 (no chicanes)
1.) elginge / RDAardvark / deep red (25 pts)
2.) watermelonpunch / wat3rm370n / salvia green (22 pts)
3.) CC570 / CC570 / maple (20 pts)
4.) Jujubean / Jujubean14 / robin's egg blue (17 pts)
IMZIZ zero pts., DNF due to disconnection (

Race 2 - 10 laps @ Rome
1.) IMZIZ / IMZIZ / red (25 pts)
2.) watermelonpunch / wat3rm370n / salvia green (22 pts)
3.) CC570 / CC570 / maple (20 pts)
4.) Jujubean / Jujubean14 / robin's egg blue (17 pts)
5.) elginge / RDAardvark / deep red (15 pts)

Race 3 - 8 laps @ (Monte Carlo, Monaco) Cote D'Azur
1.) IMZIZ / IMZIZ / red (25 pts)
2.) elginge / RDAardvark / deep red (22 pts)
3.) watermelonpunch / wat3rm370n / salvia green (20 pts)
4.) CC570 / CC570 / maple (17 pts)
5.) Jujubean / Jujubean14 / robin's egg blue (15 pts)

Starting out on Le Mans: IMZIZ (red), elginge/RDAardvark (deep red),
watermelonpunch/wat3rm370n (green), Jujubean/Jujubean14 (blue), CC570 / CC570 / maple

elginge/RDAardvark (deep red) passing IMZIZ (red) on Mulsanne

watermelonpunch/wat3rm370n (green), CC570 (maple), Jujubean/Jujubean14 (blue) on Mulsanne

elginge/RDAardvark (deep red) & IMZIZ (red)

Starting grid @ Rome: IMZIZ (red), elginge/RDAardvark (deep red), CC570 (maple),
watermelonpunch/wat3rm370n (green), Jujubean/Jujubean14 (blue)

watermelonpunch/wat3rm370n (green), CC570 (maple), elginge/RDAardvark (deep red),
& Jujubean/Jujubean14 (blue) battle, while IMZIZ (not pictured) steals away into the lead

Starting grid @ Monte Carlo: IMZIZ (red), elginge/RDAardvark (deep red),
watermelonpunch/wat3rm370n (green), Jujubean/Jujubean14 (blue), CC570 (maple)

I was so disappointed with IMZIZ's loss of connection during the Le Mans race. It was more disappointing than when I got disconnected, because at least it didn't put me out of the running for the championship points, because that wouldn't have happened Friday anyway. (And definitely not today IMZIZ hadn't dropped the 1st race!)
Though I'm glad our disconnections didn't cause us to miss the whole event. So there's something to be said for a one event series in that respect.
It looked like IMZIZ & elginge/RDAardvark were having quite a race up ahead of me there at the time of disconnection!!! I feel quite sure that if IMZIZ had finished out at Le Mans, it would've been close between IMZIZ & elginge/RDAardvark... & I'd love to know who would've won there for sure!! *sigh* Judging by the other 2 races, I might've put bets on IMZIZ, but on the other hand, drafting on the Mulsanne has a way of shaking things up. And elginge/RDAardvark was very error free on Le Mans!
Yes you elginge/RDAardvark, I saw you take it slow through Indianapolis on lap 3!!

I was eyeing the map, just in case I was about to get my chance!! LOL :lol:

But you bested me!

watermelon punch · Jun 12, 2011

This batch of photos is by way of explaining why it looked to CC570 (maple) & Jujubean/Jujubean14 (blue), that I often had my hands full... I did!!!
I spent the 1st lap @ Le Mans, and the entire race @ Rome, sandwiched between them most of the time... and they apparently couldn't see each other, just me!
Not that I could've ever known, since it sure seemed to me at the time that they were seeing each other. At one point on Mulsanne straight, I actually suspected them of being in cahoots to prevent my passing them!! :lol:

I imagine CC & Jujubean during the race were probably wondering why I was taking such bizarre lines on the Rome track... Not knowing I was passing or planning to pass another car!! Indeed, at least 3 times I had to swerve to avoid hitting a car that was spinning or sliding!
@ Rome, the 3 of us spent the entire race, passing & re-ordering. If I got the lead on one, the 3rd would swoop in from behind and overtake us both! It continued like that lap after lap after lap, right to the end... with RDAardvark being in on the action at times, just to make it more interesting for me!
It was the most shook up race I've been in ever! I've never seen the leaderboard on the right jumble so much so often!

I hope the photos will explain why my car got so unsettled & I scraped you both while passing... I had no choice but to draft one or both of you, and when I went for the pass between you, the distance between your cars closed suddenly!!
I started to panic when I got locked in there on the straight! :crazy:

I'm sure glad I didn't have that 2nd iced coffee before the race! :dopey:

IMZIZ · Jun 12, 2011

Great racing this morning, for certain. Total bummer about losing connection on the first race, but it's just a part of life. I think the race between Aardvark and me would have been quite heated for most of that track.

That said: I returned - undeterred - to race the rest of the series in spite of knowing what the disconnect did to my points. As I've said before I'm just here for the fun. And it was definitely fun trying to tame this beastly little machine. It loves to turn, and most of the time a little too much.

My setup, for anyone who's curious, was the same on each track with the exception of the transmission. I used default for all suspension settings (on the Full Customization setup, of course - and I don't think I have LSD equipped at all. I used transmission at 112 for Monaco, 118 for Rome, and 155 for Le Mans.

I know so little of tuning, I just spent the entire week practicing to see what the car's strenths and weaknesses were.

It actually made me stop to think after learning this car for a week - if I tried to do this every week for a different car each week - it would take about 20 years to try them all. And I only practiced on 3 tracks.

Really cool to think about.

Anyhow -like I said: it was great racing with all of you this morning. I had a blast, and look forward to seeing you again.

watermelon punch · Jun 12, 2011

Thanks all for participating!
I'm hoping we can get something similar (or not so similar) together again soon!

IMZIZ
My setup, for anyone who's curious, was the same on each track with the exception of the transmission. I used default for all suspension settings (on the Full Customization setup, of course - and I don't think I have LSD equipped at all. I used transmission at 112 for Monaco, 118 for Rome, and 155 for Le Mans.
I know so little of tuning, I just spent the entire week practicing to see what the car's strenths and weaknesses were.

I KNEW IT!
The best & the fastest often have set-ups that would be next to useless for modifying a car's behaviour to my satisfaction. It's all about talent, reflexes, practice, experience, & skill. A good set-up only gets you so far... If you can work with the car instead of trying to make the car work for you, it seems that you can manage to get more out of it.

That's why I didn't try to pin down my car too much... Because I knew there are handling characteristics that actually helped. For example, loosening the spring rate in the rear for Monte Carlo helped me pivot more around those tight turns. Having some wallow & roll helped me settle the car through sweeping turns.
I find when I pin a car down really tight, it tends to be harder to get it out of control... But when it does get out of control - the loss of control is BIG.

In watching the replays at first glance it looks like IMZIZ is driving a really stable car. But when I watched closely, I could see that IMZIZ is just better than me at not unsettling the car in the first place, and a whole lot better than me at quickly settling it when it does get unsettled!! I did see the occasional unsettling action... with IMZIZ quickly scooping it back under control... he disappeared the unsettling & whipped out fast cornering, like a magician disappearing a white rabbit & releasing some doves!!

Then again, I've heard it said that red cars just go faster.

RDAardvark · Jun 12, 2011

Damn that last spin at Rome cost me! Would have tied with you watermelon

A well deserved victory for you though as you were the most consistent.

Just a wee heads up: I'm hosting fun racers for two weeks (20th and 27th) so I may just spring a wee surprise with my car choice!

watermelon punch · Jun 12, 2011

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Damn that last spin at Rome cost me! Would have tied with you watermelon A well deserved victory for you though as you were the most consistent.

Just a wee heads up: I'm hosting fun racers for two weeks (20th and 27th) so I may just spring a wee surprise with my car choice!

Thanks Aardvark! I always say I'm slow but consistent... It actually worked out in this occasion. It usually doesn't. Though in some cars I'm just plain consistently slow. haha.

And you want to talk about wee surprises... Wait til you see the prize car I'm sending you. LOL

I know you'll enjoy it. :sly:

It may take a few days though because I share my PS3, and I'm backed up on car sending. (That 1 car gifting per ps3 per 24hrs is a real pain.) frankygt-r is on the list before you as well, since the event he won was earlier in time.

RDAardvark · Jun 13, 2011

Ahh, I feel any prize should be given to IMZIZ. I reckon I could have kept up with him for a while at Le Mans but he was so much faster through the last sector I would have crumbled away. It was unfortunate he was disconnected as I was (and am sure he was) really enjoying the battle.

Love all the photos you posted on here. To me it seemed that damage was switched off in Rome, yet CC's & Jujubean's cars both look beaten up. Indeed in the photo you have of them side by side heading into the last corner, cc's car looks positively sad! I love that photo!

1974 Triumph Spitfire 1500 - Friday WIN frankygt-r! - Sun official winner wat3rm370n

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