Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out

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gslooney
Yes I feel I have to compromise again..
how about a Forza Wheel for the CSS wheel that allows it to be used on the XBOX..

Is this possible Thomas..?

Many of us enjoy three platforms on one Rig, and we have to settle for the CSR Elite just because we play XBOX as well :ill:

Go on Thomas you know you want to :) :)
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This cannot be done. Thomas has stated so a while back.microsoft has also dissallowed the quick release and the use of a dongle that would convert to xbox compat.
Kinda sucks for companies like Fanatec. Im sure Thomas would have rather only release the csr and csw both with xbox instead of developing a third wheel as close to the highest end that MS would allow.
But then again, that would drive the csw up another 75-100$ roughly.

The dev/production time in the elite could of easily went to other things such as the css + csh. But Fanatec decided to bring the xbox users a top tier wheel, not just an upgraded gt2 (csr. For conversation sake lets leave it at that). Which is great for those guys. Or lets go the other way. The elite is the high end and we never got a csw...... really having two nearly identical products in your portfolio sucks from a business standpoint, especially when one is geared towards a specific platform/ really series.

End rant mumble first coffee post ;)
Cheers
 
amf7
Hey BK :)
The fanatec formula rim is a formula rim not an F1 rim... that is another rim in the future...
Also which rim will you use for LMP's i'm undecided LOL :D..
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Well the formula rim is the one I will be using foe F1 & most race cars
 
Caz
This cannot be done. Thomas has stated so a while back.microsoft has also dissallowed the quick release and the use of a dongle that would convert to xbox compat.
Kinda sucks for companies like Fanatec. Im sure Thomas would have rather only release the csr and csw both with xbox instead of developing a third wheel as close to the highest end that MS would allow.
But then again, that would drive the csw up another 75-100$ roughly.

The dev/production time in the elite could of easily went to other things such as the css + csh. But Fanatec decided to bring the xbox users a top tier wheel, not just an upgraded gt2 (csr. For conversation sake lets leave it at that). Which is great for those guys. Or lets go the other way. The elite is the high end and we never got a csw...... really having two nearly identical products in your portfolio sucks from a business standpoint, especially when one is geared towards a specific platform/ really series.

End rant mumble first coffee post ;)
Cheers
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ALSO, Microsoft has stated that ALL buttons on the wheel must have a function with the 360, or it cannot be compatible. Thomas also stated this once upon a time for the CSW. But, yes, you are also spot on, just another legit reason as to why it is NOT compat with the 360.
 
Would it be possible to just have the CSRE with the GT rim attached not be compatible with the 360? Kinda have it go into a PC/PS3 only mode. While this is less than great for Forza owners, at least it makes the CSRE an easier purchase. I am going to hate choosing between the CSRE and FM4 and the CSW w/ the GT rim.
 
I know it sucks for those who have both PS3 and 360 - you guys have to choose between having possibly the best package on the market which won't work on 360 (CSW M3 GT2 rim with CSS, CSH and CSP) or making a compromise and forgetting about CSS, CSH and changeable rims but having the same FFB and wheel base (CSR Elite).
My advice is just buy a GT2 for 360 and go for full CS package for PS3. 👍
 
Energizerrr
I know it sucks for those who have both PS3 and 360 - you guys have to choose between having possibly the best package on the market which won't work on 360 (CSW M3 GT2 rim with CSS, CSH and CSP) or making a compromise and forgetting about CSS, CSH and changeable rims but having the same FFB and wheel base (CSR Elite).
My advice is just buy a GT2 for 360 and go for full CS package for PS3. 👍
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Uh the shifter and handbrake will work on the 360. Actually Thomas said around the time it was announced that Forza will be the first game to use the handbrake
 
Don't know about CSW, and BMW wheels...
As an Xbox afficionado, i'm awaiting FM4 and just ordered CSR wheel + CSRE pedals + CSR clutch and a wheelstand.

Me Happy =)
 
Whats unfortunate for us ps3 users is the handbrake is not useable on the system yet. Thomas said he was working on it but as of now it is only xbox/pc and the only console game so far to use it will be f4.
Unless I missed an announcement along the way. Which is very possible ;)
 
Caz
This cannot be done. Thomas has stated so a while back.microsoft has also dissallowed the quick release and the use of a dongle that would convert to xbox compat.
Kinda sucks for companies like Fanatec. Im sure Thomas would have rather only release the csr and csw both with xbox instead of developing a third wheel as close to the highest end that MS would allow.
But then again, that would drive the csw up another 75-100$ roughly.

The dev/production time in the elite could of easily went to other things such as the css + csh. But Fanatec decided to bring the xbox users a top tier wheel, not just an upgraded gt2 (csr. For conversation sake lets leave it at that). Which is great for those guys. Or lets go the other way. The elite is the high end and we never got a csw...... really having two nearly identical products in your portfolio sucks from a business standpoint, especially when one is geared towards a specific platform/ really series.

End rant mumble first coffee post ;)
Cheers
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So no Quick release, but interchangeable (A.K.A Slow release) is ok ?

Thomas I promise Microsoft I will take my time taking the Wheel Rim off the Drive unit, just between ourselves drop the phrase "quick release" and we can call it the assisted removal mechanism! It'll be our secret 💡

AGP5000
ALSO, Microsoft has stated that ALL buttons on the wheel must have a function with the 360, or it cannot be compatible. Thomas also stated this once upon a time for the CSW. But, yes, you are also spot on, just another legit reason as to why it is NOT compat with the 360.
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Also please make sure when I have my xbox Wheel Rim (with the XBOX wireless comms in the Wheel RIM please, and the assisted removal mechanism) that you don't put too many buttons on it, just enough so it's acceptable.. once I'm hanging on to the thing with it's four force feedback motors inside I can only use my thumb's anyway! :odd:

Then When I've reached level 50 in Forza and got fed up with the grind :ill: I can slowly take the XBOX wheel rim off, I'll use the assisted removal mechanism to put a different non XBOX Wheel Rim on it (Which I'll be able to do quickly) then play with my PS3 and PS..

Perhaps for the future "CSR M Series GTX Elite Drive Unit" thingy.. we could do it that way.. (the X is for ?? get it)

Then again perhaps not... :indiff:

rules is rules ehh.. :guilty:

guess I'll sit this round out and stay with my GT2, PWTS and RSV2 ... 👍
 
Energizerrr
I know it sucks for those who have both PS3 and 360 - you guys have to choose between having possibly the best package on the market which won't work on 360 (CSW M3 GT2 rim with CSS, CSH and CSP) or making a compromise and forgetting about CSS, CSH and changeable rims but having the same FFB and wheel base (CSR Elite).
My advice is just buy a GT2 for 360 and go for full CS package for PS3. 👍
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OR

  • Dump the XBOX because of the crazy limitations they impose under there licenses.
  • Sell the three Xbox's and games you might have invested in.
  • Buy a small modern PC with an ATI card that supports multiscreen
  • Endorse and support community based racing titles like rFactor and the SMS C.A.R.S project on the PC and of course GT5,GT6,GT7 etc...
  • Buy the best Wheel around from Fanatec and say stuff it to compromise..


:gtpflag:
 
Caz
The elite is the high end and we never got a csw...... really having two nearly identical products in your portfolio sucks from a business standpoint, especially when one is geared towards a specific platform/ really series.

End rant mumble first coffee post ;)
Cheers
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It does suck, but I can't help but at least give Fanatec credit for going ahead and creating the Elite anyway, for all those who may not care about its shortcomings in comparison to the other high end wheels on the market.

For those who own multiple gaming platforms, the Elite just falls too short to be worth the cost. $100 more for the CSW is worth the extra cost for the extra features it has. I'm not exactly sure that playing Forza is worth giving up all those extra features, when you have to also consider using the wheel for PS3 and PC games. That thought is coming from a long time Forza player.

I'll say it again, at least there is the CSR, as well as the new CSR Elite pedals. Compared to everything else available, it seems like a good value.
 
Oh, I agree fully. Big thumbs up to fanatec for stepping up to the plate and filling a major void in the market and giving more options to the xbox racers.

I was considering picking up a cheap 4 gig xbox and forza but am really leaning towards skipping it altogether and getting the csw. I have a gt2 and wouldnt need a new wheel to play right now, but..... 300 for me to play forza is tough when I can save a little longer and grab the csw "now".

Anywho.......
Fanatec answered the call for the xbox. You guys now have 3 great Fanatec wheels to choose from!!!!


Edit: what platform for the pedals? I would imagine on pc the csp will be more accurate where on consoles you wont notice too much of a difference.
 
Caz
what platform for the pedals? I would imagine on pc the csp will be more accurate where on consoles you wont notice too much of a difference.
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Mainly for the xbox 360. I got my wheel needs on PS3 and PC covered, but unfortunately, all I have for xbox is the MS wheel, which is not bad for some, but without 900 degrees of steering, and stronger force feedback, it's too below what I'd like to have in order to play Forza 4.

I understand that long term, the CSP will be better because of its hall effect sensors vs. the Elite's potentiometers, but I like how the Elite Pedals can be inverted. If we are just thinking short term here, is there any advantage of using hall effect sensors vs regular potentiometers when it comes down to the precision of the pedal set? Can the former out perform the latter in this situation?
 
Wouldn't regular CSW Rims be able to be used on the CSR Elite, as long as it's on PC/PS3? And I would think that the CSR Elite would be pretty close to as good as the CSW on PC, would it not?
 
crispychicken49
Wouldn't regular CSW Rims be able to be used on the CSR Elite, as long as it's on PC/PS3? And I would think that the CSR Elite would be pretty close to as good as the CSW on PC, would it not?
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Nope. They aren't compatible but it is likely that a similar gt wheel and similar f1 wheel will come over to CSR-e
 
This question is for Thomas (since I know you frequent this thread regularly).

With the Forza 4 demo now available to the general public, several Fanataec users have been experiencing what seems to be a counter-steering assist with the wheels in 900 degree mode (this is while in "simulation" steering mode which T10 has stated numerous times removes ALL assists).

Here is video highlighting what is happening:


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Dan Greenawalt has replied to complaints about the problem and has denied any existence of a steering assist and has instead placed the blame on the FFB and aligning torque of the Fanatec product. This is highly odd considering the CSR/E is the official wheel of Forza. He insists that is due to FFB and aligning torque.

So is this a problem with compatibility? The Forza physics / FFB / telemetry model? Is it possible to remove the "assist" with on wheel adjustments? Or is Dan just beating around the bush and using a scapegoat on the matter?

Thank you for your time.
 
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Fanatec...
This is interesting. Do you havbe a link to the statements of Dan as well?
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Discussion thread on Forzamotorsport.net forum:

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/4831310.aspx
 
It seems like the game changes the steering lock from 900 to 270 as soon as it detects the car is sliding. So it turns very small counter steering input into huge opposite lock. Very disappointing that the game doesn't support the 900 degree wheel properly. You can't even use the 900 degrees in Forza 3 or 4 because there are no turns tight enough to warrant it and the counter-steer assist applies full opposite lock with just 90 degrees of turn.

Thomas, I think we'd all really appreciate it if you could talk to Turn 10 and try and get this sorted. I'm assuming you have a direct line to them when we don't.

EDIT: Here's another video demonstrating the assist and proving that the telemetry wheel directly correlates to the front wheels. Watch the telemetry wheel and front wheels snap together at :11 and :22

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNDG2n6euIE&feature=player_embedded

Also, I can confirm that the problem is 100% the fault of how the game interprets the steering wheel input. There is no setting on the wheel that can be changed to fix this problem.
 
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ZSPaulus
This is serioulsy disturbing news!!
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For Forza users probably.
Thomas's wheel is not at fault in all this.

Kinnect, U bend wheel and controllers have taken priority for turn 10.

Maybe only 1% will use a Fanatec, if that.
Business wise T10 couldn't give a damn.

Shame because Fanatec users would still have been playing in 2 years time.

U bend users will be playing Redbull challenge xtreme motorsports by EA by then.
 
Well looks like forza 4 is not worthy of decent gear if this doesnt get sorted, as if im buying a top wheel for mad money for a game that countersteers for you, well at least it cancels out the decision of buying a elite, now its between t500 and csw, even tho i love fast backspin i love a fullsize wheel more so, fullsize wheel will help alot with lack of backspin speed....and all those buttons...sweet......hmmmm wonder if thrustmaster will bring in a fullsize wheel to compete with the fanatec one
 

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