GT Academy 2012 (NA) General Discussion

paskowitz · Jun 14, 2012

Finally broke into the 31's. A good .2 seconds off my previous best. Looking at my replays if I string a whole lap together 1:31.4-5 seems pretty obtainable. It is just a matter of nailing that lap. I can stay within .1 of Mav until the second bridge, after that I fall apart.

DanPep · Jun 14, 2012

Sam48
Corner 2: A quick dab of the brakes right before you turn in. Come as close to the cones as possible as you coast around the corner (e.i. don't give it any gas) until you know you can put your foot back down (Or in your case, your index finger).

Corner 3: Same as corner 2. Once again, make sure to come as close to the cones as possible. Make sure when you exit turn three that your car is as far, or fairly far, to the left side of the track.

Corner 4: Before entering the forth corner, put the car into forth gear so as to avoid wheel spin. This will stabilize your car as you cut from the cones on the right to the cones on the left (AKA turn 5). If you have to, you can lift a little bit, but never fully let off the gas. If you take this corner well, you should be going about 106mph out of turn 5 by the time the rumble strip ends on the right side of the track.

Wonderful advice. That's petty much what I was trying to do. The shifting up to fourth just before turn 4 was something I was not doing, though. I'm sure that well help tremendously. I was always shifting at the cones mid-turn 5. Turns 2 and 3 were giving me the most headaches, mainly because I wasn't coasting.

I can't remember who said it but I should have thought about not registering. Makes perfect sense, haha.

Again, thanks for the advice. Maybe you'll see me in the top 32 tonight!

t_ray_z28 · Jun 14, 2012

Sam48
Well, it seems I've gotten to the point where I'm sure I've figured out the entire course, however my lap times would say otherwise as I cannot seem to break into the 1:31s. I always use a ghost of one of the top ten times as a reference point. For the first sector, I'm right with it, but from the turn 6 bridge onward, I slowly fall back, and I can't figure out where I'm loosing time. In the end, I'm posting 1:32.2/1:32:4s. It's quite irritating, but it just means there's room for improvement I suppose.

AAAHHH!! I have this same problem! I can hang with Maverick all the way until the hairpin before the bridge, then i fall back and average 32.4's! If you figure it out.. let me know

R1600Turbo
Why would you do that? Only the 16 who advance to Silverstone are not eligible the next year.

Will you be eligible next year? Or is it permanently?

RSnider · Jun 14, 2012

USARMYCOMBATVET
If i had to give you a rough estimate, I turned my wheel no more than 40 degrees on good laps. Have you tried adjusting the FFB?

I'm definitely over-turning the wheel. On my fastest lap (1:31.9xx), I turn the wheel up to ~70 degrees at some places. If 40 degrees is all it takes, then I'm definitely scrubbing speed and grip.

I've tried all sorts of FFB settings. I have a Fanatec GT3RS V2, so it has the adjustable FFB in the steering wheel itself. I've tried high FFB in settings and high in the wheel, low in settings and high in wheel, high in settings and low in wheel, and every possible combination between. No matter what settings I use, I can't feel the front wheels lose grip for ****. It's basically a guessing game for me.

t_ray_z28 · Jun 14, 2012

RSnider
No matter what settings I use, I can't feel the front wheels lose grip for ****. It's basically a guessing game for me.

Coming off of 5 months of only iRacing, this is how Gran Turismo in general feels to me... I feel like i'm racing a boat through the water..

Pirates ECU · Jun 14, 2012

RSnider
I can't feel the front wheels lose grip for ****. It's basically a guessing game for me.

Yeah i get that feeling too, the 370 under-steers so bad, that you have to use the trail braking to reduce the push. It's all about being setup smoothly ahead of time, and unfortunately it is a guessing game with steering inputs...., with the amount of elevation changes you just have to try different amounts... It can be so frustrating, but what can we do.

RackAttack · Jun 14, 2012

RSnider
I'm definitely over-turning the wheel. On my fastest lap (1:31.9xx), I turn the wheel up to ~70 degrees at some places. If 40 degrees is all it takes, then I'm definitely scrubbing speed and grip.

I've tried all sorts of FFB settings. I have a Fanatec GT3RS V2, so it has the adjustable FFB in the steering wheel itself. I've tried high FFB in settings and high in the wheel, low in settings and high in wheel, high in settings and low in wheel, and every possible combination between. No matter what settings I use, I can't feel the front wheels lose grip for ****. It's basically a guessing game for me.

Fanatec wheels have adjustable range of motion too (900 degrees maximum). I have the same wheel and usually use about 640 degrees. Depending on that setting you can turn the wheel more or less and get the exact same outcome in the game. I wouldn't worry too much about how much you're turning the wheel, just do what feels right.

JerseyDriverSS · Jun 14, 2012

RackAttack
Fanatec wheels have adjustable range of motion too (900 degrees maximum). I have the same wheel and usually use about 640 degrees. Depending on that setting you can turn the wheel more or less and get the exact same outcome in the game. I wouldn't worry too much about how much you're turning the wheel, just do what feels right.

I tried adjusting my sensitivity to a lower degree but the car felt very twitchy. I think 900 is the only setting that feels okay, don't really wanna say good because I think these physics are garbage but that's just my opinion. Also it will be forced to 900 at nationals so you might as well stick with it.

I have a csr by the way.

redreevos · Jun 15, 2012

Bah..... Just screwed a .1xx in the final corner. Had to vent this somewhere.

I don't mess that corner up very often. Figures... Back to banging my head. :banghead:

Dhalism · Jun 15, 2012

chriz00
^^that's where I am having trouble too, I'll give your tips a try and hopefully that will solve my problem. 👍

Thank's man, I'll try that as well, sometimes I'll be stubborn and go forever lol

How long should you take a break?

ive watched final destination 3 yesterday for a break. Gonna watch final destination 4 today.

After a young man's premonition of a deadly race-car crash helps saves the lives of his peers, Death sets out to collect those who evaded their end.

Think is a good idea? :crazy:

Sam48 · Jun 15, 2012

I'm not sure if there's a word for this, but whenever I'm following a top ten ghost, they seem to do something a bit odd in some of the corners. They turn into the corner, get it just a little bit sideways, then power down and shimmy the car up the track. It kinda bugs me that their method is faster than the usually slow in fast out keep it straight method that everyone's always used.

EpicGonzago · Jun 15, 2012

redreevos
Bah..... Just screwed a .1xx in the final corner. Had to vent this somewhere.

I don't mess that corner up very often. Figures... Back to banging my head.

I know how you feel bro. Three times today i've been ahead of the 1st place ghost in the U.S going into the last corner, and kept on over driving the last corner screwing up my exit big time :banghead:

Ronald6 · Jun 15, 2012

Sam48
I'm not sure if there's a word for this, but whenever I'm following a top ten ghost, they seem to do something a bit odd in some of the corners. They turn into the corner, get it just a little bit sideways, then power down and shimmy the car up the track. It kinda bugs me that their method is faster than the usually slow in fast out keep it straight method that everyone's always used.

Are they turning in just a bit early (earlier compared to you at least) then four wheel drifting through the middle of the corner then maintaining the throttle and line to power out?

It often looks strange when you're used to out-in-out to see someone ride their slip-angles through the corner.

Nicktune · Jun 15, 2012

Sam48
I'm not sure if there's a word for this, but whenever I'm following a top ten ghost, they seem to do something a bit odd in some of the corners. They turn into the corner, get it just a little bit sideways, then power down and shimmy the car up the track. It kinda bugs me that their method is faster than the usually slow in fast out keep it straight method that everyone's always used.

They are playing with the load transfer to maximize grip...Try the licence test IB-6 (front heavy understeering car) you'll see that playing with the load transfer like this is much faster than the traditional slow in fast out.👍

carracerptp · Jun 15, 2012

Sam48
I'm not sure if there's a word for this, but whenever I'm following a top ten ghost, they seem to do something a bit odd in some of the corners. They turn into the corner, get it just a little bit sideways, then power down and shimmy the car up the track. It kinda bugs me that their method is faster than the usually slow in fast out keep it straight method that everyone's always used.

That is a great way to put it, they do just shimmy up the track 👍
If you look at other time trials, it's not that uncommon at all.
In this game, a small slip angle is faster every time than slow in fast out.

redreevos · Jun 15, 2012

EpicGonzago
I know how you feel bro. Three times today i've been ahead of the 1st place ghost in the U.S going into the last corner, and kept on over driving the last corner screwing up my exit big time

Misery loves company. :crazy:

I have a feeling by the end of this, it is going to be very crowded at the top. Hopefully you and I can get one of our laps completed all the way to the finish line. :nervous:

👍

Rees

Sam48 · Jun 15, 2012

Nicktune
They are playing with the load transfer to maximize grip...Try the licence test IB-6 (front heavy understeering car) you'll see that playing with the load transfer like this is much faster than the traditional slow in fast out.👍

Thanks for the tip, I'll have to try that one

carracerptp
That is a great way to put it, they do just shimmy up the track 👍
If you look at other time trials, it's not that uncommon at all.
In this game, a small slip angle is faster every time than slow in fast out.

I guess the key phrase is "In this game". I'll have to change my driving style if I want to keep up then (A tall task given that I've only got a week and a bit). Nonetheless, after studying their replays for a bit, I should be able to figure it out.

chriz00 · Jun 15, 2012

I finally managed to improve my time! Went from a 1:32.6 to a 1:32.4, though I know that wasn't my fastest as I've seen myself pass my ghost further than what I did but those damn cones!!!

I know for SURE that I can get a low 1:32 or high 1:31; nonetheless, I'll keep trying now that I know where and how I can improve my time...just takes the right time.

BTW; Anyone know the proper way of getting around the last corner? Where is a good braking point and turn in point? Should I be going down to 2nd then 3rd while exiting?

DigitalBaka · Jun 15, 2012

I have to say this this whole thing has been really fun. Going back and forth with friends on the leaderboards for all these events and getting to see how well I can do when everyone is really fighting for the top is fantastic. I've made a lot of improvement just by watching replays and lurking around everyone throwing out tips.

My first time out I barely made gold trying to slide the stupid car around without hitting any of the darn cones. Next time out I managed to get used to it and improved by almost a second. Last night I really tunneled into it and dropped about a second and a half off my previous best. I was sitting at 565 with a 1'33.4 and it felt very good. Hoping for another second or so down by the end. I will probably end up way back but that isn't stopping me from trying to breathe fire up Mav's tailpipe! :lol:

Just want to thank everyone here for the great conversation and tips that I've been able to learn from. I may not be realistically competing for Orlando but you've made it a heck of a lot of fun to try.

:cheers:

ROYALEFATALE · Jun 15, 2012

i think if there's one thing we can all take away from this it's a newfound hatred for the 370Z :lol:

TRC Scooty · Jun 15, 2012

Call me crazy, but I like this car.

lldantell · Jun 15, 2012

TRC Scooty
Call me crazy, but I like this car.

Even when that car understeers like crazy???

Sam48 · Jun 15, 2012

chriz00
BTW; Anyone know the proper way of getting around the last corner? Where is a good braking point and turn in point? Should I be going down to 2nd then 3rd while exiting?

I think there's more than one way of doing. Personally, I brake late, let the car roll/rotate into the corner, clip the apex about 3/4 of the way through the corner (But don't hit the rumble strip or you'll slide), then put my foot down as I speed off in second gear. I don't short shift as I believe it gives me better straightaway speed if I run second gear out.

ROYALEFATALE
i think if there's one thing we can all take away from this it's a newfound hatred for the 370Z

Now you made me realize how much I'd hate to be the guy who wins a real life contract to drive one of those for a living

TRC Scooty · Jun 15, 2012

lldantell
Even when that car understeers like crazy???

That rarely happens once you get the braking technique down. Then it's a whole different challenge of balancing it on knifes edge with throttle, it's just my kind of driving...although I'm still getting slaughtered by Marvrick and everyone else is catching up! haha

chriz00 · Jun 15, 2012

^^thank's Sam, I'll give that a try! 👍

ROYALEFATALE
i think if there's one thing we can all take away from this it's a newfound hatred for ~~the 370Z~~ cones

Fixed

TRC Scooty · Jun 15, 2012

No we're talking, those cones are the devil. I get pissed and slaughter as many as I can before the game takes over

paskowitz · Jun 15, 2012

TRC Scooty
No we're talking, those cones are the devil. I get pissed and slaughter as many as I can before the game takes over

I thought I was the only one that did this.

I just hate where they are. Why are they so close on the first S corner and then there are none on the exit before the second bridge??? It is kind of confusing.

ROYALEFATALE · Jun 15, 2012

i don't mind the cones at all, it's the understeer/snap oversteer of the Z

Bennen13 · Jun 15, 2012

I just hate where they are. Why are they so close on the first S corner and then there are none on the exit before the second bridge??? It is kind of confusing.

Not to mention the ones that are actually ON the rumble strip in the last turn. Don't believe me? Stop and look.

KingBestJr · Jun 15, 2012

TRC Scooty
Call me crazy, but I like this car.

I acually have to agree the more i drive and learn the technique of braking right before apex of tight turns the more i love the car.

On another note i finally lowered my time a touch from a 31.605 to a 31.551 hopefully i have more coming soon. :sly:

Edit: Down to a 31.523

GT Academy 2012 (NA) General Discussion

paskowitz

DanPep

t_ray_z28

RSnider

t_ray_z28

Pirates ECU

RackAttack

JerseyDriverSS

redreevos

Dhalism

Sam48

EpicGonzago

Ronald6

Nicktune

carracerptp

redreevos

Sam48

chriz00

DigitalBaka

How hard can it be?

ROYALEFATALE

TRC Scooty

lldantell

Sam48

TRC Scooty

chriz00

TRC Scooty

paskowitz

ROYALEFATALE

Bennen13

KingBestJr

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