PURE | JGTS2-Congratulations to champions tony1311 and team Xanavi Z!

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One of my RL friends who got gt5 recently was having problems getting on the server as well yesterday.

So clearly, at least Southern Ontario is still having problems.

Wiifreak, is your Internet provider Eastlink by chance?
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Nope. However I just signed onto GT5 with no issues at all, so the problem seems to be gone for now.
 
R1600Turbo
Haven't even purchased it yet. Probably won't until later in the week. And it may not even be broken in my race time.
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Would really appreciate it if you could just B-spec it whenever you have spare time before you do your qualifying. I'm sure you could easily get it done in the background while watching baseball. The sound of the PS3's HURRRRRRRRRRRRRR fan is gonna be such great ambiance xD
 
Wardez
Would really appreciate it if you could just B-spec it whenever you have spare time before you do your qualifying. I'm sure you could easily get it done in the background while watching baseball. The sound of the PS3's HURRRRRRRRRRRRRR fan is gonna be such great ambiance xD
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buy bigger speakers. ;)
 
I can buy one (No oil) and run it in and send it to RT if you want :dopey:.
 
paulmac2k9
I can buy one (No oil) and run it in and send it to RT if you want :dopey:.
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I'm sure you have more patience than I do. I can't just let Bob run on his own, I have to baby sit him. I hate B-Spec anyway.

Much appreciated. 👍
 
Wardez
Ah, well there was an important post I was about to make, and it seems right as I hit submit the server started having trouble. I really hope my post wasn't so blasphemous that I crashed your host's datacenter Tim.

haha, but in seriousness... I'll just have to bring it here since there's no telling how long the site's gonna be down.

We were discussing kicking up the power on the Zs. This is what I responded with in the thread:




Season's started yes, but there's no reason we can't still tweak spec's. Also, there's no way to minimize tire wear rate with a setup. Only driving more smoothly or slowly helps, and even then it's a bit different car to car as you'd know.
The thing with the Z, as we've indicated before, is that it's a special case among this batch of cars. It's the only one from 2006, it has more torque than the rest, so that makes it feel a lot more unstable through out the race, from start to finish. So it suffers slightly more in terms of driveability from start to finish of a race. But it doesn't actually have a worse drop off, as we're discussing it. The other cars drop off at the same rate, there are no separate "cliffs" - GT5 isn't that deep of a simulator, people saying the car drops off differently are giving the game too much credit.

The Z is fine, it may need just a bit more power, but that's not going to drastically affect the outcome of its performances over the full distance of a race.
Car's has a monster powertrain, you just need to train more finesse into driving it, you can't just bean it like the rest of the cars. Once you get that down you'll find it quite rewarding I'd think.

@ H

We're going for the thrill of competing your given car type against another and seeing who can push their teams and machines beyond in order to gain victory. All that drama. The spec's we're using are even more balanced than we had last season. Anyone can drive pretty much any car in the field at any track and have them all fall within a half a second of each other. Five-tenths. We don't have the problem of people thinking one car will dominate. And if there are, those arguments will be dispelled quickly as the season goes on.

This is a very different sort of championship. The people involved, matters defined, ideas and concepts realizes didn't just come together over night. The results will speak for themselves. Halle hallelujah! xD
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Because if we make the limits and set the PP accordingly, nobody can cheat the system.
Sure, we can bump the Z to 100% and keep the no oil change, but there's a few things there:
1. You have to shift earlier than any Z driver I've seen yet to gain absolutely anything from it. (peak power is at 5600, redline at or above 7K)
2. The PP system favors PL usage in small doses, so we can bump the HP to 508-9(stock without oil) but the PP jumps to 617, in which case any driver could just as easily change the oil, run the same power, and 40/62 aero, or something very close.

As for the SC430, same effect, essentially.

If we simply make the cars regulated this way:
SC430 - Can't have more than 513HP and must be 609PP or less
Z - Can't have more than 513HP and must be 615PP or less

It's impossible to cheat, the Z gets a speed bump, and the Lexus stays at roughly the same pace.

R1600Turbo
Haven't even purchased it yet. Probably won't until later in the week. And it may not even be broken in my race time.
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You're not seriously going to buy a new Z, right?
Surely driving a few miles after the race is easier than buying a new one and driving it 186 miles...
 
CSLACR
You're not seriously going to buy a new Z, right?
Surely driving a few miles after the race is easier than buying a new one and driving it 186 miles...
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Oil has been changed on my current car. It's not in spec.

New car = correct specs.

Denilson
Glad some are willng to make an effort. 👍
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I can quit all together if that's easier.
 
R1600Turbo
Oil has been changed on my current car. It's not in spec.

New car = correct specs.
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So drive it until the oil change wears off and it's back to "stock with 186 miles" power.
If you listened on Sunday, you already have 200KM on your car from that race, and only need a few more to be back to spec.


I can quit all together if that's easier.
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All of your series so far have required a broken-in car.
Why's it hard now?
 
Idea!

How about we leave the specs 10 drivers tested thoroughly alone, and switch Z drivers to something else.

Nige volunteered, and I'll volunteer. We'll kick ass in the Z's the next 7 races. :mischievous: At current spec.
 
Wardez
@ H

We're going for the thrill of competing your given car type against another and seeing who can push their teams and machines beyond in order to gain victory. All that drama. The spec's we're using are even more balanced than we had last season. Anyone can drive pretty much any car in the field at any track and have them all fall within a half a second of each other. Five-tenths. We don't have the problem of people thinking one car will dominate. And if there are, those arguments will be dispelled quickly as the season goes on.

This is a very different sort of championship. The people involved, matters defined, ideas and concepts realizes didn't just come together over night. The results will speak for themselves. Halle hallelujah! xD
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No worries..

I just mentioned it as there'd been a couple of guys changing cars and talking about gripes with their cars, so I thought I'd mentioned it...

As said on the post, it won't suit everyone but it worked for us...so no problem 👍
 
CSLACR
Idea!

How about we leave the specs 10 drivers tested thoroughly alone, and switch Z drivers to something else.

Nige volunteered, and I'll volunteer. We'll kick ass in the Z's the next 7 races. :mischievous: At current spec.
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Seeing red in your eyes :D. Let's take a step back and realize we're just trying to have fun, much more than trying to prove anything.

Things are fine, the most we'll do is slightly tweak the spec's.
 
Just to be a real pain in de a55 - I'd rather drive a Z than that Bandai thingy...it looks gross.... :(

Z looks cool :D
 
R1600Turbo
I've never "broken in" a car outside of actually racing it. Never really felt I needed to.
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Well it's up to you, if you haven't changed the oil since the race, it'll only take 100km's yet to fully wear the oil off.
Wardez
Seeing red in your eyes :D. Let's take a step back and realize we're just trying to have fun, much more than trying to prove anything.

Things are fine, the most we'll do is slightly tweak the spec's.
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I agree.
But we can't go changing specs every time someone says their car is too slow, we need evidence, which at this point we don't have much of outside the testing done before the series.
We don't know exactly what spec Jason ran it at, but he's done well with it overall, and Rich has done pretty well with it too, overall, iirc.

The car requires finesse and driver adjustment, if we don't factor that in, the driver has the fastest car in the field as soon as they're accustomed.


In either case, allowing the changing of oil to reach 615PP isn't a problem, and should give the car a slight boost.
To change it to full power without oil change (508 or 509) gives the same increase in on-track performance, but room for an extra advantage to be gained by being out of spec.
Changing the Lexus with it does pretty much the same thing, without really making the Lexus much if any faster, @ 609PP.

I just don't want to hear the word "oil change" anymore. It will be a pain in the ass because people just plain don't like it, I think. Idk, which is why I want to rid it, I'm tired of talking about something so incredibly simple.
 
Announcement:
The specs listed in the OP since day 1 will stay.


* Specs can be tweaked during the series if we find reason to do so. But for now, there will be no changes or tweaks to the specs.

Correct specs for:
Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z:
Bhp: 503**
Weight (kg): 1100
PP: 615
PL (%): 98,9
Mandatory Mods: -
Allowed Mods: Ridgity Improvement

** This number is reached by buying the car from the NCD, and drive it for 200 miles (300 km).
Do NOT change the oil at any time.
The oil will not wear down for at least 3000 miles (4800 km). The series total distance is 1000 miles (1600 km), so it will stay @ 503 bhp during the entire series without one single oil change.

Sorry Dom.. Said "oil change" a few times there.. ;)
 
I've already said I'm out of this series (although it's only because of persistent connection issues that I can't resolve), so if someone wants to take the Z, be my guest. 👍
R1600Turbo
I found that enough finesse on the throttle to keep the rear in check resulted in horrible drive out of corners, as stated earlier.
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Same here. I did partial throttle + early upshifts and the rear began sliding on me after only 10 laps, meaning I kept losing time on the exits to everyone else.
CSLACR
But we can't go changing specs every time someone says their car is too slow, we need evidence, which at this point we don't have much of outside the testing done before the series.
We don't know exactly what spec Jason ran it at, but he's done well with it overall, and Rich has done pretty well with it too, overall, iirc.
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Out of curiosity, was the bulk of the testing done before or after 2.08?

Hopefully, I can get all the JGTC cars out for tire runs by the end of this week. The hard part will be developing setups.
 
Denilson
After.
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Actually, I don't recall driving a single car before 2.08.
Started talking when we saw the HSV coming out, bought it, started testing.

Tonight after 4-5 warm-up laps, I managed a groove in the Z.
Somewhere high 20's I guess with practice.
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Might do some tire wear tests yet too.
 
I'll try it out next time I'm on, see what kind of average lap it can turn for whatever a pit length is, and I have the HSV to compare it to.👍
 
I just decided to go back to the post race talk from pre-season with regards to the Z as I didn't recall any talk about grip fall off in the tyres. In fact, there was more talk of it performing well in the latter stages of the race and I think Rich even said he could have gone another 10 laps at GVS. Maybe it just struggled at Fuji due to the nature of some of the corners? Worth a re-cap from page 27 of this thread. ;)
 
Nissan Z - laptimes

Indy Road:

GTP_Welsh Bain / H (c'est moi :D )

1:32:936 /
1:29:917 /
1:29:949 /
1:28:875 /
1:30:300 /
1:28:832 /
1:28:677 /
1:30:025 / 1:31:559 (new tyres fitted after pit stop for damage)
1:30:077 / 1:31:056
1:31:417 / 1:31:295
1:32:886 / 1:31:448
1:30:255 / 1:31:071
1:31:253 / 1:31:025
1:31:107 / 1:31:656
1:30:352 / 1:31:119
1:30:941 / 1:30:913
1:30:584 / 1:31:926
1:31:354 / 1:31:213
1:38:570 / 1:31:968
1:31:515 / 1:32:240
1:31:520 / 1:31:744
1:31:828 / 1:31:973

Tyre Wear (approx):

GTP_Welsh_Bain - 25 laps - approx 50% front / 55/60% rear
H - 15 laps - approx 20% front / 25% rear


Grand Valley Speedway (full):

GTP_Welsh Bain

1:50:396
1:47:633
1:47:670
1:47:634
1:47:983
1:47:512
1:48:588
1:48:245
1:48:629
1:48:745
1:49:783
1:49:333
1:49:294
1:50:017
1:49:917
1:50:422
1:50:497
1:51:033
1:50:886
1:51:563
1:51:738
1:51:492

Tyre Wear (approx):

GTP_Welsh_Bain - 23 laps - approx 75% front / 60% rear

Fudgy F:

tpe-rus

1:57:242 (stopped for contact with PaulMac)
1:40:723
1:38:508
1:37:636
1:38:051
1:37:809
1:41:170
1:39:963
1:37:327
1:39:332
1:37:975
1:40:691
1:39:042
1:39:359
1:39:440
1:38:923
1:39:296
1:39:665
1:40:545
1:53:333 (pit stop - wear = 50% front & 35/40% rear)
2:08:788
1:37:702
1:37:325
1:37:101
1:36:912
1:37:429
1:37:894
1:37:848
1:39:033
1:48:285
1:38:917
1:39:258
1:39:229
1:38:849
1:38:885
1:39:523
1:39:166
1:38:995
1:39:680
1:39:956
1:39:687 (wear = 50% front & 35/40% rear) - same as 1st stint

It would be helpful if the other guys times and setups from the other lobby were posted so we could compare??
 
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RIP_Welsh_Don
I just decided to go back to the post race talk from pre-season with regards to the Z as I didn't recall any talk about grip fall off in the tyres. In fact, there was more talk of it performing well in the latter stages of the race and I think Rich even said he could have gone another 10 laps at GVS. Maybe it just struggled at Fuji due to the nature of some of the corners? Worth a re-cap from page 27 of this thread. ;)
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Unfortunately, I only had GVS to go off on. I sustained crash damage at Indy early. Also, I was running a different setup, one that Jason found to be undrivable because it was wrecking loose. Maybe that's it. The Z has to be setup to try to end your life early in the run, so that it rewards your bravery later on. :lol:
 
outlaw4rc
Unfortunately, I only had GVS to go off on. I sustained crash damage at Indy early. Also, I was running a different setup, one that Jason found to be undrivable because it was wrecking loose. Maybe that's it. The Z has to be setup to try to end your life early in the run, so that it rewards your bravery later on. :lol:
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:D I laughed out loud at that Rich, hehe! You might be right though ;)

I also took minor damage at Indy around lap 10/11, so my lap times aren't a true reflection of what could have been, but interesting nonetheless, thanks Highlandor 👍
 
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