The GT6 Epic Whining and Crying Thread

LMSCorvetteGT2 · May 17, 2013

Tenacious D
No, what I take issue with is the double standard which inevitably rears its ugly head when certain Forza fans get involved in the discussions here. I want to have Forza discussed here. Mulling over it strengths and weaknesses has a lot of merit, as well as dragging in any other racer or sim into the mix. You may mess your shorts to know that even though I have a dislike/hate relationship with Forza 4 lately, I have also heaped a good deal of praise on it and the work that T10 has done in it.

Oh gee, did I say that?? Oh yes I did say that.

It really doesn't matter what you said, the point is this is a GT thread, and we have a GT vs FM thread for such comments. It gets annoying when people can't differentiate what needs to be discussed from one thread to another. You've been around long enough to know this, and rather than do it in the proper area, you wish to do it when ever you can "just because you think it should be". If we all could have what we would, half of us would be cursing the other half without the censor emoticon. Also, how do I know you didn't say that in a sarcastic post and just use it out of context here to try and make a point. Or better yet do it just for a situation like this, since you find yourself in them far too often. I'll take off my tinfoil hat and give you the benefit of the doubt though.

Now I will also criticize it, but I'm unaware of any rule that says "Thou shalt only praise Forza."

Once again not the issue, there is no reason to bring it up and this isn't GT6 vs FM4. If you can't grasp that simple concept I don't know what else to tell you.

Maybe you have amar212 on ignore, but he brings a pretty heavy hammer, and some authority behind it. He doesn't do it with anger and hatred, but because he wants to see the genre always moving forward and becoming more realistic and involving. And he does it because like me, he doesn't take hypocrisy or double standards well.

In case you missed it, I myself participate in the criticism of Gran Turismo and what GT6 on PS3 might mean. I just don't join in with the politically correct derision, spittle and overstated flaws like "every car sounds like a Hoover."

Just so you know.

I don't care if people say FM4 is better or worse than GT, I will still the say the same thing. I have dealt with you many times on this before and I know all too well how you approach it so...And yet again I'm not a forza fan, I actually own GT5 still and got rid of my MS system and Forza 4 a while ago. Yet I guess if one defends FM or tries to bring the topic back to GT where it belongs, they are an automatic T10 fan, right? Which only takes away from your supposed "love" of FM4. I'm sure you don't do double standards :dopey:

Also yet again you really do more harm to your claim of "criticizing GT", when you equate people disappointment by sound as spittle. If you really understood what "critiquing" was, you'd understand the claim and issue and have way more validity to this claim that you are some objective GT fan in the wings.

Tenacious D · May 17, 2013

ShiftingGears
I'd rather rewind than SRF.

Err.... okay, but that's just weird.

And @ LMS

Well, your post makes no sense then. I'm not too surprised because humans on this planet are particularly strange and often hard to fathom. I'm also not here on this world to make you happy or go out of my way to make my posts meet whatever the heck editorial board in your head wants. I am going to exercise my First Amendment rights here, I am going to speak my mind, I am going to have opinions. If you don't like them, then I guess you don't. It's no skin off my nose. You have a nice day too.

Tornado · May 17, 2013

And what's weird about it? At least rewind operates under the same constraints as the regular physics engine.

Also:

>First Amendment rights on a private forum.

sailworksman · May 17, 2013

Man I can't even keep up with all the complainers. If I was Kaz, I'd tell you all to go...!

Exorcet · May 17, 2013

Tenacious D
Err.... okay, but that's just weird.

Which is useful for learning the full simulation physics? It's not the one that uses completely artificial physics.

Earth
So far Polyphony Digital said they have better physics, menus, as well as more rims and wings. Not enough. There needs to be way more.

Yes, so far. GT6 has been announced for a matter of hours. The information density so far, has been huge. Maybe PD will keep it that way, in which case the content of GT6 will be huge.

I have to say, your posts have been really surprising. It's not the disappointment, it's acting as if GT6 has been completely spelled out already.

sparkytooth · May 17, 2013

GT6 is looking cool and all but I feel worried :ill:

.

The car count is now overkill with a car count of 1200. 830 of these are standard cars (all seen and counted from GTPSP are 820 something excluding those who got GT5 premium treatment and the GT4 cars that are mysteriously absent in GTPSP) unless they managed to delete the standard models of certain vehicles (Countach, Alpine A110 could be examples) and replace them with a truly premium version of the car thus killing all this standard vs. premium rage. It's impossible to have them all premium from a technological standpoint without stronger hardware (PS4). This means that either standards will be fewer than in GT5 or we get the exact same cars from GT5 with a few new cars added in for great measure which means the exact same PS2 cars will still be there. It would have been better if P.D. would have cut down the car list to about 600-700 or so cars to be able to have atleast most of them premium.

Sound and stuff would be neat to fix but I don't really care, physics and the actual cars are what matter to me :indiff:

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Zyla · May 17, 2013

I'm hoping that Kaz and the rest of the PD crew are wanting us to have our doubts and be worried about the way GT6 turns out, so that when it DOES come out, it will shock everyone. Meaning it will be much more improved than what we've seen of it so far, and everything about it makes us drool. But, keep in mind, I'm only dreaming here.

Exorcet · May 17, 2013

sparkytooth
It's impossible to have them all premium from a technological standpoint without stronger hardware (PS4).

What?

This means that either standards will be fewer than in GT5 or we get the exact same cars from GT5 with a few new cars added in for great measure which means the exact same PS2 cars will still be there. It would have been better if P.D. would have cut down the car list to about 600-700 or so cars to be able to have atleast most of them premium.

Disagree completely. GT6 offers 1200 brand new cars, and cutting them down to 700 just so they look better would be a terrible mistake in my book. With the new physics engine, every car in the game has the potential to be improved massively. Then you can top it off with new tuning options.

LMSCorvetteGT2 · May 17, 2013

Tenacious D
Err.... okay, but that's just weird.

And @ LMS

Well, your post makes no sense then. I'm not too surprised because humans on this planet are particularly strange and often hard to fathom. I'm also not here on this world to make you happy or go out of my way to make my posts meet whatever the heck editorial board in your head wants. I am going to exercise my First Amendment rights here, I am going to speak my mind, I am going to have opinions. If you don't like them, then I guess you don't. It's no skin off my nose. You have a nice day too.

Not sure how it doesn't make sense the topic is complaining about GT6, not using FM4 complaints to make GT6 better. The forum dictates to stay on topic and you really had no reason to use FM4 other than to start a non-needed fight (which you did). Like others will tell you if you want to weight which is better then make the thread if GT5 vs FM4 isn't enough. As Tornado said it's a private forum, you touting kinda-sorta rights across an international net is a good laugh though, good game try again.

Terronium-12 · May 17, 2013

Tenacious D
Err.... okay, but that's just weird.

And @ LMS

Well, your post makes no sense then. I'm not too surprised because humans on this planet are particularly strange and often hard to fathom. I'm also not here on this world to make you happy or go out of my way to make my posts meet whatever the heck editorial board in your head wants. I am going to exercise my First Amendment rights here, I am going to speak my mind, I am going to have opinions. If you don't like them, then I guess you don't. It's no skin off my nose. You have a nice day too.

...Wut.

Jump_Ace · May 17, 2013

sailworksman
Man I can't even keep up with all the complainers. If I was Kaz, I'd tell you all to go...!

You're lucky I have this sweet thread to vent my anger so I'm in a good mood and I'll let you off with a warning. You can only post in english in the forums, especially no swear words, or what I'm assuming to be swear words, per the AUP.

Jerome

Earth · May 17, 2013

Exorcet
Yes, so far. GT6 has been announced for a matter of hours. The information density so far, has been huge. Maybe PD will keep it that way, in which case the content of GT6 will be huge.

I have to say, your posts have been really surprising. It's not the disappointment, it's acting as if GT6 has been completely spelled out already.

Disappointment is too simple of an emotion to describe my reaction to recent news.

I think Polyphony Digital has made it plenty clear what their priorities are, even from just a 25 minute demonstration and brief gameplay videos.

sparkytooth · May 17, 2013

Exorcet
Disagree completely. GT6 offers 1200 brand new cars, and cutting them down to 700 just so they look better would be a terrible mistake in my book. With the new physics engine, every car in the game has the potential to be improved massively. Then you can top it off with new tuning options.

Those 1200 "Brand New cars" are copy-paste from GT5 my friend (the press release said it), those new 200 cars that were added to that big number is all the new we're gonna get at launch. Where else will we get 1000 cars in three years?

We still don't know how these other 800 GT5 "standard" PS2 cars are gonna be handled in GT6 so all we have left is what P.D. says from now on. This is my main worry with GT6 :scared:

As for the physics. Yes of course it will affect all cars but we still don't know the level of customisation possible or if the car list will be divided like in GT5.

Also: Cutting down on the amount of cars, allows more brand new cars or premium versions of old but good standard cars which isn't a mistake and gives the game's car list more consistency.

Tenacious D · May 17, 2013

Exorcet
Which is useful for learning the full simulation physics? It's not the one that uses completely artificial physics.

Well, it's not that I'm fuddled that he doesn't want SRF, it's that he wants Rewind instead of. I have to admit that I succumbed to the dreaded Rewind a time or two in my brief fling with F4, and I'm up on how useful it would be to use it in hotlaps to practice taking tricky turns. But T10 went crazy with the kid friendly helpers in F4, like autobraking.

sparkytooth
It's impossible to have them all premium from a technological standpoint without stronger hardware (PS4). This means that either standards will be fewer than in GT5 or we get the exact same cars from GT5 with a few new cars added in for great measure which means the exact same PS2 cars will still be there. It would have been better if P.D. would have cut down the car list to about 600-700 or so cars to be able to have atleast most of them premium.

Exorcet
Disagree completely. GT6 offers 1200 brand new cars, and cutting them down to 700 just so they look better would be a terrible mistake in my book. With the new physics engine, every car in the game has the potential to be improved massively. Then you can top it off with new tuning options.

I know I'm one of the old vapors who likes Standard cars and tracks, to many member's chagrin. But Exorcet makes an excellent point.

Originally, I had been saying that the Standards (cars, not tracks) should be left out of GT6 because of the unnecessary food fight over them that would result. After all, GT5 is still such a good racer that we have them on hand in that if we want to enjoy them again. Just pop in the disc and go.

I had assumed that GT6 would have better physics, and this is a solid reason to want to include the Standards again. After reading ~~Sphynx's~~ Synwraith's review of the early demo builds at the Silverstone event, and reflecting on those 1200 some odd cars, I couldn't live without them anymore. Add to this the potential of customization and Race Mod for a good deal of them, not to mention that hoped for Livery Editor, and all I can do is drool over thoughts of the BMW M3 CLS, Saleen S7, Spirra, Countach 25th Anniversary version, and countless others in custom liveries and power ranges.

And I don't think we're going to be getting the same PS2 models this time. Jordan sounded fairly upbeat over some word from Kaz concerning them. And amar212 posted a source indicating that only Premium level cars would be in GT6, so I'm expecting that they got a hefty cleaning up and interiorizing in some form or fashion. Hey, I could be wrong, but I don't really care. Just gimme those cars!

By the way, the power of the system doesn't really figure into how many Premium cars we can have. Prologue had 16 Premium cars on track every race.

cuco33 · May 17, 2013

It's a good thing you can switch those assists off then

If these aids and assists help others play and enjoy a game then there isn't an issue in my book. I certainly won't use autobrake, traction control, or rewind and I get the benefit of more credits and XP because of it.

sparkytooth · May 17, 2013

Tenacious D
.I know I'm one of the old vapors who likes Standard cars and tracks, to many member's chagrin. But Exorcet makes an excellent point.

Originally, I had been saying that the Standards (cars, not tracks) should be left out of GT6 because of the unnecessary food fight over them that would result. After all, GT5 is still such a good racer that we have them on hand in that if we want to enjoy them again. Just pop in the disc and go.

I had assumed that GT6 would have better physics, and this is a solid reason to want to include the Standards again. After reading Sphynx's review of the early demo builds at the Silverstone event, and reflecting on those 1200 some odd cars, I couldn't live without them anymore. Add to this the potential of customization and Race Mod for a good deal of them, not to mention that hoped for Livery Editor, and all I can do is drool over thoughts of the BMW M3 CLS, Saleen S7, Spirra, Countach 25th Anniversary version, and countless others in custom liveries and power ranges.

And I don't think we're going to be getting the same PS2 models this time. Jordan sounded fairly upbeat over some word from Kaz concerning them. And amar212 posted a source indicating that only Premium level cars would be in GT6, so I'm expecting that they got a hefty cleaning up and interiorizing in some form or fashion. Hey, I could be wrong, but I don't really care. Just gimme those cars!

I'm all for a S*** ton of cars though

. There were some awesome cars that were standard (E46 M3's, Mercedes 190E Evo II and DTM cars, Veyron, etc.) and I hope they get premium treatment. But when you look at it, either P.D. is able to do miracles on every second console outing or it's B.S. that every car in GT6 will be premium. Although standards never looked horrible, I was always curious about many of their interiors.

alonsof1fan91 · May 17, 2013

Earth
All they had to do was model the Dome S102, the R15, A GT2 458, a GT2 Spyker, a GT1 C6R, and a GT1 DBR9. 6 cars. Thats it. And the Le Mans race could have been all premium cars with enough diversity for the 11 AI limit.

Of course you will say these are just cars I want. Are they? Nobody wants to race a GT1 Corvette or Aston Martin? or a GT2 Ferrari 458? A Le Mans winning R15? Or Japan's own Dome S102?

Geez, same argument as few pages ago.

By the time GT5 released, the only up to date prototype we missed was the R15 (Im talking about car manufacturers not privateer LMP1 entries).

The 458 GT2 started racing in 2011, almost a year after GT5 launch.

We already have Corvette race cars, you can RM the Z06 and ZR1 to their real life counterparts.

Obviously GT5 had no 911 GT1 car and the DB9/F430/Murcielago was missing too. But GT5 has several GT500 cars and a good level scaling tool (PP), so you could race those cars against each other.

amar212 · May 17, 2013

Scaff
Funny enough you could change Forza to GT in the above and it would sum up how I feel about GT5.

Fair enough 👍

Also, this turned into VS thread and it was not my intention.

I hope GT6 will improve drastically over GT5 in many areas. So much room for improvement in all the features that were not finalised properly or in full, I concur.

bmxmitch · May 17, 2013

I'm just wondering, how many times GT6 will be delayed!? :lol:

CleanUP-CharliE · May 17, 2013

GT6 will be more like GT5 1/4

No excitement and hype 4 me..

I'll buy GT6 of course but I won't be as excited as I was when GT5 launched.

I will be more like.. 'hey, an expansion pack for GT5 finally'.

/rant

steve30x · May 17, 2013

I just wonder how more disapointed some of you would be if there was only 400 cars in GT6. Some of you say you want rid of the standard cars but I would almost guarantee there will be poeple shout in rage if the car count went down. Fair enough some of you wouldn't mind but then theres people who want the standard cars to stay too.

I do want them to cut out all the duplicate cars though. Theres too many of them. We dont need so many skylines that are almost identical with different naming for instance.

Prodigy122 · May 17, 2013

steve30x
I just wonder how more disapointed some of you would be if there was only 400 cars in GT6. Some of you say you want rid of the standard cars but I would almost guarantee there will be poeple shout in rage if the car count went down. Fair enough some of you wouldn't mind but then theres people who want the standard cars to stay too.

I do want them to cut out all the duplicate cars though. Theres too many of them. We dont need so many skylines that are almost identical with different naming for instance.

I've been wondering this exact same thing for a while. I am completely happy with the set-up of GT5 and won't be to distraught to see standard cars return in GT6 for the main point that there are several of the standard cars that I love. I do however want to see the standard cars undergo an improvement in terms of exterior appearance. Even if there is not a detailed interior, there should not be to much of a difference between the appearance of S/P.

If Kaz was to suddenly say "...and all standard cars from GT5 have been CUT and will not be returning in GT6.", this whole forum would probably flip the hell out.

LMSCorvetteGT2 · May 17, 2013

steve30x
I just wonder how more disapointed some of you would be if there was only 400 cars in GT6. Some of you say you want rid of the standard cars but I would almost guarantee there will be poeple shout in rage if the car count went down. Fair enough some of you wouldn't mind but then theres people who want the standard cars to stay too.

Yeah that's with anything in life, some people will complain and some people will stop and be happy due to the change. While others are just fine with the same old same old. Not sure why you have to state obvious human nature, and then have a guy like me reiterate how simple it is back to you...

I do want them to cut out all the duplicate cars though. Theres too many of them. We dont need so many skylines that are almost identical with different naming for instance.

Well that's good I too want that and many others, but like you said some might complain about losing there several various R34s. We all now that Nur is everything compared to the GT-R R34 Midnight purple III, duh (clear sarcasm here dont be offended) :sly:

steve30x · May 17, 2013

LMSCorvetteGT2
Yeah that's with anything in life, some people will complain and some people will stop and be happy due to the change. While others are just fine with the same old same old. Not sure why you have to state obvious human nature, and then have a guy like me reiterate how simple it is back to you...

Well that's good I too want that and many others, but like you said some might complain about losing there several various R34s. We all now that Nur is everything compared to the GT-R R34 Midnight purple III, duh (clear sarcasm here dont be offended)

I understand what you mean. 👍

TokoTurismo · May 17, 2013

Prodigy122
If Kaz was to suddenly say "...and all standard cars from GT5 have been CUT and will not be returning in GT6.", this whole forum would probably flip the hell out.

Oh yeah, it indeed would. :scared:

LMSCorvetteGT2 · May 17, 2013

alonsof1fan91
Geez, same argument as few pages ago.

By the time GT5 released, the only up to date prototype we missed was the R15 (Im talking about car manufacturers not privateer LMP1 entries).

The 458 GT2 started racing in 2011, almost a year after GT5 launch.

We already have Corvette race cars, you can RM the Z06 and ZR1 to their real life counterparts.

Obviously GT5 had no 911 GT1 car and the DB9/F430/Murcielago was missing too. But GT5 has several GT500 cars and a good level scaling tool (PP), so you could race those cars against each other.

Those aren't real life counterparts. The only realistic RM corvette is the Z06 and even that wasn't spot on but the engine package was. Now the ZR1 is fiction, but nice at least, there are no supercharged LS9 running Vettes in ALMS, ELMS or LMS. There were 6.0L in 09 the only year and then brought down the following year (year GT released, not that it matters) to 5.5L for the GT campaign since there was to be no more GT1. Also when you take in the width increase of the cars over past few years, it doesn't match from the time GT planned them or even now. That's a big deal when that width differential is a factor in the cars handling along with regulations.

Also R15 wasn't the only car there was the R15 Plus as well, and then the Aston Martin Racing DBR1-2 prototype. Also Acura had a race winning car in the ARX-01 so that is another. Now let's look at the GT Pro class as it is known today, we have the BMW M3 that was used in past years now the main car is a BMW Z4, Jaguar XKR-S, Ferrari 430, DB9, Gallardo, actual Ford GT, and there were many others before them that GT doesn't have either.

Also the PP tool isn't good at scaling as many will tell you on here, and to make the cars equal took tons of work still. The SC430s were so far off and different from one another and even more so from the other GT500s. The only series that had reliable equality was Nascar out of the box.

Also...why not add real DTM if they can do GT for years we were told they were planning on doing that. Even better try to add V8 supercars and make the Aussies feel like GT/PD cares about them, while giving us an amazing series. The cars are spec and not as different from manufacture. Also why not finish nascar right and get the rights to the Charger from last year?

BoneSawTX · May 17, 2013

alonsof1fan91
Geez, same argument as few pages ago.

By the time GT5 released, the only up to date prototype we missed was the R15 (Im talking about car manufacturers not privateer LMP1 entries).

The 458 GT2 started racing in 2011, almost a year after GT5 launch.

We already have Corvette race cars, you can RM the Z06 and ZR1 to their real life counterparts.

Obviously GT5 had no 911 GT1 car and the DB9/F430/Murcielago was missing too. But GT5 has several GT500 cars and a good level scaling tool (PP), so you could race those cars against each other.

RM the Corvette to their real life counter parts? Hardly, a body that looks similar and thats about it. Engine specs on both aren't true to form.

They could have added the Acura ARX-01a and ARX-02, Acura developed them. Maybe the old Cadillac Northstar LMP-02, Panoz LMP-1 Roadster-S and the GT1 Saleen S7, something to beef up the field.

If you're not going to add the Lola's and privateers then they are missing out on a large chunk of cars. If your going to model SEMA cars then why not the actual racers?

I'm not expecting to see the R15, R18, ARX, Honda Lola or Mazda B09/86, any proper GT2 or even a GT1 C6R.

dice1998 · May 17, 2013

BoneSawTX
RM the Corvette to their real life counter parts? Hardly, a body that looks similar and thats about it. Engine specs on both aren't true to form.

They could have added the Acura ARX-01a and ARX-02, Acura developed them. Maybe the old Cadillac Northstar LMP-02, Panoz LMP-1 Roadster-S and the GT1 Saleen S7, something to beef up the field.

If you're not going to add the Lola's and privateers then they are missing out on a large chunk of cars. If your going to model SEMA cars then why not the actual racers?

I'm not expecting to see the R15, R18, ARX, Honda Lola or Mazda B09/86, any proper GT2 or even a GT1 C6R.

These sound like cars Kaz said he wanted to add "but didn't have enough time" to add.

ShiftingGears · May 17, 2013

sparkytooth
Those 1200 "Brand New cars" are copy-paste from GT5 my friend (the press release said it), those new 200 cars that were added to that big number is all the new we're gonna get at launch. Where else will we get 1000 cars in three years?

We still don't know how these other 800 GT5 "standard" PS2 cars are gonna be handled in GT6 so all we have left is what P.D. says from now on. This is my main worry with GT6

As for the physics. Yes of course it will affect all cars but we still don't know the level of customisation possible or if the car list will be divided like in GT5.

Also: Cutting down on the amount of cars, allows more brand new cars or premium versions of old but good standard cars which isn't a mistake and gives the game's car list more consistency.

I'm not going to lie, whilst I know you use red font to make your posts stand out compared to everyone elses, it's extremely hard to read and makes a lot of people just skip over your posts entirely.

As for your post, I hope there's more new cars than appears on the launch.

C_Raccoon23 · May 17, 2013

steve30x
I just wonder how more disapointed some of you would be if there was only 400 cars in GT6. Some of you say you want rid of the standard cars but I would almost guarantee there will be poeple shout in rage if the car count went down. Fair enough some of you wouldn't mind but then theres people who want the standard cars to stay too.

I do want them to cut out all the duplicate cars though. Theres too many of them. We dont need so many skylines that are almost identical with different naming for instance.

I'm just going to raise a point analog brought up in another thread. What do you think will happen to the car count once GT7 releases to the PS4? Do you really think standards are going to stay, just so they can maintain a high car count? Having car models from two generations ago on the PS4 is unthinkable. PD is eventually going to have to stop using standard cars as a crutch and give us a reasonable number of cars that are consistent quality. To the people who love standard cars, enjoy them while they're still being included.

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