Best Car 2008 Series: China - Rule Clarification Needed

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With the 2008 Series already being kicked-off with Great Britain, time to add the second country into the mix. The big red one. You know... CHINA.

The rules are simple. Post the car you believe to be the best (are there really any good ones?), banter a bit, we'll sort out the votes later.

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The various Geeley and Cherry cars come to mind, but then I remembered this little bugger...


Lifan 320

Best Chinese car for several reasons:

- They had the audacity to make it
- They had the balls to make it
- They haven't been sued (yet)

Apparently it has an 87 BHP 1.3L engine. Wowzerz!
 
Uh... :indiff: I would say the Brillliance BS6, but its only marginal now, saftey-wise.
 
This is just going to turn into people nominating what ever car did worst at crash tests, so I'm going to hold off until I can do more research into what car that is.
 
I am not nominating anything from China after the stir I caused with some in the Blurred Cars thread :lol:
 
"I'm so ronery. So ronery. So ronery and sadry arone"

Geely Beauty Leopard

If only for it's in-car karaoke machine.

 
There was some coupe at a recent Chinese car show (Chinese car) that looked OK, but be damned if I can remember what it was.
 
There was some coupe at a recent Chinese car show (Chinese car) that looked OK, but be damned if I can remember what it was.

That will be the replacement for the Beauty Leopard. It's only a concept for now. :indiff:

 
That will be the replacement for the Beauty Leopard. It's only a concept for now. :indiff:


Anyone think those rotors look awfully small for such a big-looking car?
 
This site might help people

Just scanning through it now... will add my choice later

EDIT: Or this list of Chinese car manufacturers

EDIT 2: Right, I've had a good look on that second link I provided, through every single manufacturer. Some of the websites don't work (my firefox browser wouldn't let me access others as apparently they are "attack sites"). I think I've come to a decision, or at least I will have by the time I've finished typing this.

The first manufacturer that gets a commendation is one called Chang'An Motors. They're one of the very few manufacturers there who have their own safety tests to make sure cars won't disintegrate on impact. However, the only interesting vehicles in their lineup are those of other manufacturers that they build under licence, so they're out.

Incidentally, a lot of Chinese manufacturers make good cars - just a lot of the time they're not their own design. Much as it's tempting to pick the MG TF and say "it's a Chinese car", that would be doing a massive discredit to all the Brits who actually designed and developed the thing 13 years or more ago. For this reason, I'm not going to include the Roewe 75, any re-badged version of the Toyota Landcruiser etc (of which there are many), or any car built under licence in China that isn't actually the intellectual property of a Chinese company. This is probably excluding (nay, definitely excluding) some good cars but it would be unfair to include them.

More commendations. Shanghai Maple's "F50". Why? Well it doesn't look very special, bascially an old Citroen ZX with a new front end. But the company actually claims that it's a car for women. Now the first reaction to statements like this is to assume that it's sexist, but I disagree and I think that with the motor industry being mainly male dominated it's good to see a manufacturer actually at least thinking what the fairer sex might want from a car. There are lots of "girly cars", but honestly I doubt the designer of these set out to design it for girls in the first place. Shanghai maple have taken one of their other cars, softened the design, chosen fair and bright colours, and then given it a series of amusing but somehow thoughful options like a shoe comparment, dressing mirror, clothes rack, and even an amusing compass option... However, this car can't get my vote either.

I was tempted to choose a Chery as they do make some reasonable looking vehicles, and I was also tempted to go for one of the many luxury sedans that some companies are producing.

In the end, it came down to two choices. I had a long think about what I'd actually want from a Chinese car. My main, overriding priority was safety. I'm sure in crowded city streets there aren't many high speed accidents that would pose a threat to your health, but China is a massive country with a very varied landscape, a lack of paved roads in a lot of places, variable weather in the extreme, and all manner of other cars and animals to hit out on the roads. For this reason, I'd be very tempted to vote for the Great Wall Motor Company "Socool" (I think it is genuinely Chinese even though it looks Toyota-esque.. and yes I did choose it because of the name, over many other vehicles). It's a big, 4x4 pickup and would suit general Chinese conditions very well.

However, in the end there was only one winner for me:

The FAW Vita C1
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This is a Chinese passenger car that looks genuinely modern, it's a five door hatchback, equipped with a 1.3 16v 87bhp engine. Does a little over 100mph, around 40mpg (UK), weighs under a metric ton, and has as many creature comforts as you'd expect from a Western market car. And what was it I was saying about safety being an overriding priority more than anything? The Vita C1 is the first car in China to be subjected to full frontal, side, rear, and offset frontal impact tests under the new Chinese New Car Assessment Program (C-NCAP). I had a lookat the C-NCAP site and their testing methods look very similar to Euro NCAP. The C1 scored 3 stars overall in a similar test, with 95% on the front offset impact. Now, 3-stars isn't brilliant by European standards but it's actually one of the higher Chinese market cars (only models such as BMWs, Suzukis etc scored higher) and a whole lot better than the zero stars that some Chinese cars of years gone by would attain.

So, after this massive essay, that's my vote!
 
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What is that thing in the first post?! The Lifan 320 looks really similar to a Cooper just with two extra doors.
 
There's a reason why I've not added ANY Chinese manufacturers on my personal GT5 list, and yet HAVE added Ladas.
 
There's a reason why I've not added ANY Chinese manufacturers on my personal GT5 list, and yet HAVE added Ladas.

You'd have to be trying pretty hard to not find a single Chinese car with any merit whatsoever. I must admit I struggled to think of cars, so I did a little research and within 15 minutes came back with a viable candidate. Didn't take much effort.
 
*snip*

So, after this massive essay, that's my vote!
Wow, you put a lot of effort on that post. A million internet points for you! 👍 (and maybe I'll add an e-meal with that? ;))

Anyways, I think that is by far the best car in this thread just by the way the car is build. Another suggestion of mine would be:

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BYD F6
 
You'd have to be trying pretty hard to not find a single Chinese car with any merit whatsoever. I must admit I struggled to think of cars, so I did a little research and within 15 minutes came back with a viable candidate. Didn't take much effort.

To be honest, I had to dig a bit. There were a few that came to my head, but I thought it'd be a bit cheap to take a few of the cars I had in my mind. Particularly when they're technically Australian...

Between the Leopard and the Lifan it was, and the Lifan won.
 
That will be the replacement for the Beauty Leopard. It's only a concept for now. :indiff:

I actually don't think that looks that bad. It just needs less-Edsel in the front end. Though I don't know what the rear looks like.
 
Wow, you put a lot of effort on that post. A million internet points for you! 👍 (and maybe I'll add an e-meal with that? ;))

Why thank yaw :D

I was kind of typing my thought process for it. In the best British car thread my thought process was more like "Right erm... as long as it's being built today it can go in? Right, Lotus Elise. Which one... the cheapest, because it's still bloody good. Done". Had to think much harder with the Chinese ones, but I'm a bit of an information sponge so it was interesting doing a bit of research 👍

I think when most people think of Chinese cars they think of that Daewoo Matiz rip-off thing that crumples in a crash. The car I chose is proof that they aren't all like that. People used to laugh at Kias, but look at them now. For that matter, people used to laugh at Japanese cars but look at them now.
 
I think when most people think of Chinese cars they think of that Daewoo Matiz rip-off thing that crumples in a crash.
That's not true. I think of that Isuzu Rodeo rip-off thing that crumples in a crash. Though I personally would buy one of those.
 
I think when most people think of Chinese cars they think of that Daewoo Matiz rip-off thing that crumples in a crash. The car I chose is proof that they aren't all like that. People used to laugh at Kias, but look at them now. For that matter, people used to laugh at Japanese cars but look at them now.
Lol, I remembered someone mentioning somewhere that anything made in china would blow up or get broken easily.... :lol: No, not only Kia but Hyundai as well. Look where they are now...... :D Also remember where all your Logitech, Apple and many other products are made from. ;) Got to give credit to the Chinese for adventuring to the unknown and becoming successful.... 👍
 
Also remember where all your Logitech, Apple and many other products are made from. ;) Got to give credit to the Chinese for adventuring to the unknown and becoming successful.... 👍

To be fair, those things are only assembled there, not designed there. The Chinese workers who build them are actually fairly skilled which is why we get good products. The trouble is when they decide to design things like cars, of which they only have fairly recent experience and a big reel of tracing paper. Unfortunately, tracing paper can't copy the structural stuff underneath which is why many Chinese cars are built terribly and don't really survive crashes.

I'd hazard to call them successful just yet, that will have to wait until they're monopolising the Western markets.

That said, they are definitely improving, as cars like the one I voted for show.
 
Ooh, if this is allowed I second that! (Although as stated is actually Australian).

Except all Chinese cars I believe must be built in China so I don't see why it wouldn't count.
 
-> I've got a few:

Chery A6CC concept coupe
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Geely GT concept
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Beijing 700R concept
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CH Design Scorpio concept
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~> I also like an old school Jeep Chrokee [XJ] brand new:

Beijing-Jeep 2500
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Except all Chinese cars I believe must be built in China so I don't see why it wouldn't count.

Don't worry, it does. I just wanted something truly Chinese for my nomination. Truth be told, I had planned on a Buick originally...
 
Don't worry, it does. I just wanted something truly Chinese for my nomination. Truth be told, I had planned on a Buick originally...
I think there should be some sort of statute of limitations on this, honestly. With forza2.0 nominating the Astra VXR in the British thread and that Holden Statesman up there (look at them side by side. GM didn't even change the grill) being nominated for the Chinese thread, it isn't actually clear what exactly constitutes a car from either country.
For example, based on the reasoning for the Buick being allowed, there is nothing preventing me from nominating the Honda Accord (or, hell, the Saturn Astra) in the Best American car thread. We could end up with essentially the same car being in every single poll, in the case of some GM vehicles (Best American car: Pontiac G8. Best Australian car: Holden Commodore. Best Chinese car: Buick Park Avenue. Best third world car: Chevrolet Lumina. Best British car: Vauxhall VXR8. Best Korean car: Daewoo L4X.).
 
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I don't think the Holden Caprice should be here, it was designed and majority built in Australia. The Beijing 700R Concept was the one I was thinking of earlier, so I'll vote for that if I may. (Being a concept I guess I can't, China should be dropped from the competition IMO)
 
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