CSW & CSR Elite: Questions you would like answered by the reviewers

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Hey guys,

Just a quick question for you here, since mister Latte said there were lots of questions.
What are those questions and which ones would you like to see answered in your review at the very least if possible?
I am sure all of us who can get their hands on either of these wheel (by the gracious courtesies of Thomas of course) would love to answer them.

So please post your questions here but try to refrain from discussions about them, since the thread will be used for reference by the reviewers at a later date. Please use either the CSR (Competition Sport Racing) Elite poll or Fanatec Threads for discussions about your questions asked here.
I hope you are able to respect this simple rule.

Update:
Since there is some confusion about the title and especially the products involved. I would like to clarify that here.

CSW is short for ClubSport Wheel. This is the black and grey big brother of the CSR E or CSR Elite wheel, which is black and red in color

Here is a feature comparison chart: http://www.fanatec.de/html/pw_overview.htm

Videos about the products involved:









Now start questioning?!

LogiForce
 
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ilonioum
you are fast mate :)
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Not fast just curious as I could pay some more attention to certain things. If the questions can be answered will depend on what info can or cannot be released. This the reviewers including me for the CSW will hear exactly as time progresses.
So no guarantees to if the questions will be answered. ;)
 
Well the first question is - when can we preorder and when these will be released?
Second would be - when will the beta testers get the wheels and when are we going to have the actual review/how does it compare of these wheels?
Third - when are we going to have the GT (and maybe F1) wheel for CSRE?

These are the main ones I can think of at the moment.
 
My main question is how is the force feedback compared to say the CSR/GT2/911 series of wheels. Is it stronger and smoother?

Also curious on its precision compared to other Fanatec wheels as the optical sensor resolution and placement has been highly touted.
 
thehawk05
My main question is how is the force feedback compared to say the CSR/GT2/911 series of wheels. Is it stronger and smoother?

Also curious on its precision compared to other Fanatec wheels as the optical sensor resolution and placement has been highly touted.
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Yes, these too
 
Also, post up what games you'd like the people to test? Things like Forza, GT, F1, all these games.
 
I'm a T500RS owner seriously considering a change in wheels. I'm very happy with my wheel but just the thought of something a bit more compatible while being in the same price range has sparked my interest in fanatec. I hope one of our reviewers can provide a truly objective review. Here are my questions...


1) The T500RS with H.E.A.R.T. technology is incredibly accurate with its 65k values. Is the CSR Elite that technically precise? I understand that some games on PC are significantly improved due to this technology. If Elite is not as technically precise, then do you really feel much of a difference?


2) The T500RS ffb is fantastic right now. I understand this particular area is hard to judge since the CSR Elite is using different technology. But what is your personal opinion on the overall effects? Is one smoother, faster, or stronger than the other? If so then can you please try to rate it on each of these areas? If there are other areas im missing then please share your thoughts :)


3) Please post a comparison video showing how fast these wheels can spin during actual gameplay. Perhaps doing some drifting on GT5 (or a PC sim) in the same car, turns, and track.

Thank you!
 
maks
I'm a T500RS owner seriously considering a change in wheels. I'm very happy with my wheel but just the thought of something a bit more compatible while being in the same price range has sparked my interest in fanatec. I hope one of our reviewers can provide a truly objective review. Here are my questions...


1) The T500RS with H.E.A.R.T. technology is incredibly accurate with its 65k values. Is the CSR Elite that technically precise? I understand that some games on PC are significantly improved due to this technology. If Elite is not as technically precise, then do you really feel much of a difference?


2) The T500RS ffb is fantastic right now. I understand this particular area is hard to judge since the CSR Elite is using different technology. But what is your personal opinion on the overall effects? Is one smoother, faster, or stronger than the other? If so then can you please try to rate it on each of these areas? If there are other areas im missing then please share your thoughts :)


3) Please post a comparison video showing how fast these wheels can spin during actual gameplay. Perhaps doing some drifting on GT5 (or a PC sim) in the same car, turns, and track.

Thank you!
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I can answer your first question even before getting my CSW betawheel ..
The CSW and the CSR E are even more precise than the T500 RS! The T500 has the sensor mounted on the motor, the CSW and the CSR E have the sensor mounted direct on the steering axis. And thats a big advantage because when you mount it on the motor you can put a super precise sensor as the T500 sensor but between the motor and the axis there are the gears and the belts and they all have some little lag and that destroys all the precision. So the CSW and the CSR E will be more precise than the T500!
 
Simracer92
I can answer your first question even before getting my CSW betawheel ..
The CSW and the CSR E are even more precise than the T500 RS! The T500 has the sensor mounted on the motor, the CSW and the CSR E have the sensor mounted direct on the steering axis. And thats a big advantage because when you mount it on the motor you can put a super precise sensor as the T500 sensor but between the motor and the axis there are the gears and the belts and they all have some little lag and that destroys all the precision. So the CSW and the CSR E will be more precise than the T500!
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As a fellow person getting the CSW beta, I will wait and see until I have it here to voice my opinions. I will definitely cover it as it has my interest as well. But the sensor is mounted on the motor? I almost feel tempted to open my T500 RS and have another close look. As I didn't look for it with the fan replacement.

Anyhow, please keep posting the questions. I already see questions I love to have answer myself because they got my interest as well. :dopey:
 
I think it is still too soon to say anything about CSRE/CSW precision, but yes - T500 RS has the sensor mounted to the motor, just like current Fanatec and and Logitech wheels.
 
Nothing in particular comes to mind...
but a few general questions:

Wheel durability?
Build quality?
Noise levels from wheel?
Any notice of input lag?
inherent wheel deadzone that cannot be eliminated through software?
'smoothness' of wheel?
Accuracy/responsiveness to user input?
ease of setup and configuring for use?
ease of changing settings?
ease of removing/changing steering wheel?
 
Caz
I do believe sandboxgod is in that position.
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As well as me, Caz. ;)
I own also a T500 RS + Ferrari F1 rim. TH8 RS shifter ordered.
Plus i've been pondering about iRacing for a bit, might as well give it a spin by that time.

Patrocles
Nothing in particular comes to mind...
but a few general questions:

Wheel durability?
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Won't be able to tell anything about durability within a month's worth of beta testing. So that's a question you'll have to ask end users over time I reckon. ;)
 
Patrocles
Nothing in particular comes to mind...
but a few general questions:

Wheel durability?
Build quality?
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Beta lasts for 30 days. I would find that time to be inconclusive.
 
Question which maybe someone can now answere...
In the video of the BMW Rim and in the FM4 Wheel buyers guide the wheel plate of the Fanatec Rennsport Cockpit is not straight so the CSW must be hardmount with the adapter which gives the wheel the angle.. And then it looks like the wheel is very straight (90°) to the driver.. I googled some racing interiors and in every picture the wheel is angled a little bit, so it's not straight in front of the driver.. Which option is now the better solution? Having the wheel hardmounted with the adapter on an already straight wheel plate so you have the angle of a real racing car or is it also comfortable to race without the optional angle adapter so it's very straight to the driver without an angle..?
Because I have the Speedmaster V2.0 and the wheel plate is not angled, it's absolute straight. When I hardmount it with the adapter there would be a lot of angle, when I hardmount it without the adapter the CSW would have an angle of only 90 degrees. So which option is good? :D
 
Sorry logiforce, wasnt thinking about the csw. With the csr:e beta conversations, the csw slipped my mind. In terms of beta tests anyway
:)
 
@Simracer92: We won't know until we got them how they mount or talked to Thomas about all the parts involved in getting it installed. But I reckon that it is indeed a question that plagues most, especially with a rig or table/desk that has flat surface. Besides that, the Clubsport Table Mount only angles downward, which would make it even more awkward. lol
Surely an item which will have to be covered without a doubt.

@Caz: Can happen. ;)
 
LogiForce
@Simracer92: We won't know until we got them how they mount or talked to Thomas about all the parts involved in getting it installed. But I reckon that it is indeed a question that plagues most, especially with a rig or table/desk that has flat surface. Besides that, the Clubsport Table Mount only angles downward, which would make it even more awkward. lol
Surely an item which will have to be covered without a doubt.

@Caz: Can happen. ;)
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Mhm the ClubSport table clamp is not an option for cockpit users I think..^^
The wheel comes with the adapter which gives the CSW the angle of the CSR or all 911 wheels and also the drilling holes of these wheels because the CSW has not the same holes..
In every video I see the CSR E or the CSW it is mounted either without the adapter or with the adapter BUT in every video it is nearly straight and not angled.. (I watched the CSR E video by ISR, the wheel buyers guide by ISR, this week in simracing by ISR, CSW Introduction by Fanatec and the GT Rim Introduction by Fanatec..) In All these videos the wheel has nearly no angle.. But I didnt see a real race car with such a straight wheel so that makes me a little bit confused.. Mhm, so what.. I will see it when my betawheel arrived.. :D
 
(an obvious one) I'd like to know if there's a significant deadzone issue on GT5, i have a g27 and the deadzone is a constant annoyance to me. Maybe do a comparison to deadzones on other Fanatec wheels vs Logitechs etc. for reference.
 
So its just a different steering wheel like the F1 that you can mount on the clubsport elite base, or is it another new wheel+base? (having a hard time finding anything on Fanatecs website about CSW.)
 
lemansfanatic
So its just a different steering wheel like the F1 that you can mount on the clubsport elite base, or is it another new wheel+base? (having a hard time finding anything on Fanatecs website about CSW.)
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The ClubSport Wheel is the big brother of the CSR Elite. If you go to the CSR Elite page you can find it on the product comparison chart.

Here is another website trying to make an early comparison: http://www.racesimcentral.com/news/2011/08/fanatec-clubsport-and-csr-elite-wheel-comparisons/

The CSW will come in black/grey finish and feature a real quick release, rev LEDs, 111 button support and so on. The CSR Elite doesn't have this.

Due to title limitations I couldn't add the full name. Sorry. I'll edit the opening post to make it more clear plus add the link to the fanatic chart.
 
lemansfanatic
So its just a different steering wheel like the F1 that you can mount on the clubsport elite base, or is it another new wheel+base? (having a hard time finding anything on Fanatecs website about CSW.)
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CSR E does NOT mean ClubSport elite! The CSR line is set up between the porsche line of products and the ClubSport line. CSR stands for competition sport racing.

that means that the CSR E and the CSW are two totally different wheels.
please check here for all differences:
www.fanatec.de/html/pw_overview.htm
 

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