CSW & CSR Elite: Questions you would like answered by the reviewers

[JogoAsobi]

Edit:

It can not be swapped easily.............

Christiaan, thanks much for the info, very appreciated.

 

[mikemav]

Mike I can see mods coming for the CSW.
A compatible QR adapter is all that is needed to add "branded rims" and is bound to appear. I've already seen one on ebay which looks nearly identical.

However I wonder if the "data" port on the wheel allows Fanatec to do their own dash very similar to the "Monsta" but also include Fanatec controls for wheel functions? Well Thomas?

What are the thoughts of testers on using the BMW rim with and without "rumble".
I ask just to get an impression of how a branded wheel would compare to the BMW.

I'll try some with and without. I believe I've just left it on default (100) for now. However it may not matter in my case. Since as I mentioned in the video, CSP/ABS rumble isn't working for me since I have the pedals connected direct USB to the PC, and in the latest driver/firmware this is only available when pedals are connected to the wheel (it worked before.) As far as other wheel rumble effects, I do not even know what games implement these in code (if any?) Maybe pCARS since the wheel lights and other features work; I'll check...

 

[bumer]

Mike I can see mods coming for the CSW.
A compatible QR adapter is all that is needed to add "branded rims" and is bound to appear. I've already seen one on ebay which looks nearly identical.

This is probably not going to happen. I've got an impression reading some reviews that you need fanatec wheel connected to get force feedback. If you take it off, it also cuts the force feedback. I of course may be wrong and misunderstood something, but maybe someone could confirm or test it out.

 

[bermudakid]

This is probably not going to happen. I've got an impression reading some reviews that you need fanatec wheel connected to get force feedback. If you take it off, it also cuts the force feedback. I of course may be wrong and misunderstood something, but maybe someone could confirm or test it out.

Sure someone will figure it out, it shouldn't be impossible.

 

[LogiForce]

This is probably not going to happen. I've got an impression reading some reviews that you need fanatec wheel connected to get force feedback. If you take it off, it also cuts the force feedback. I of course may be wrong and misunderstood something, but maybe someone could confirm or test it out.

You didn't misunderstood. The rims have their own electronics and firmware. If the base can not communicate with the firmware in the wheel, the base will basically go in a sort of hybernate mode and won't function until a compatible wheel is attached.

 

[Mr Latte]

You didn't misunderstood. The rims have their own electronics and firmware. If the base can not communicate with the firmware in the wheel, the base will basically go in a sort of hybernate mode and won't function until a compatible wheel is attached.

So basically Fanatec have protected their CSW product, that's clever...

 

[paskowitz]

So basically Fanatec have protected their CSW product, that's clever...

My guess is that mods will require the electronics from one factory CSW fanatec wheel. So you will need to buy at least one rim and take it apart. Separate the wheel from the QR system while retaining the electronics. Then mount a new wheel to the circuit board and QR.

 

[lemansfanatic]

Even a small company like Fanatec is smart enough to design a proprietary system to force people to buy Fanatec hardware if they want add-ons to their modular products. I am sure there will be a mod that could figure it out, but Thomas designed the CSW with the hopes it would continue to provide a revenue stream for his company for a wheel that he hopes to get "10 year lifespan" out of. If he wants to continually sell add on rims for his new baby, he wouldnt have made it easy.

 

[paskowitz]

^^^
Never bet against the modding community. Never. Ever.

 

[bermudakid]

^^^
never bet against the modding community. Never. Ever.

+1

 

[lemansfanatic]

Well if modders were so smart you'd think they would have been able to figure out how to make one of the worlds best selling wheels (G25) to work on an Xbox 360's XID protocol by now... (I know there is an adapter out there but it doesnt work). So they do have their limmitations.

 

[fatkrakr]

I think that has more to do with the cost and logistics of it. You would need a new pcb. Im not sure how much that would cost to produce, but I would think the modder would ask probably $100. The tuffer part I would think would be the complete rewiring of the logitech wheel. It would need some sort of switch to change between the 2 pcb and all new wiring inside to make it work. You can buy a csr and G27 pedal adapter for around $200. With the cost of the pcb plus the work to rewire I dont see that as a cost effective alternative.

 

[paskowitz]

Well if modders were so smart you'd think they would have been able to figure out how to make one of the worlds best selling wheels (G25) to work on an Xbox 360's XID protocol by now... (I know there is an adapter out there but it doesnt work). So they do have their limmitations.

Read amar's posts on this. That would be like ask a diesel car to run on gasoline. Maybe even harder.

 

[the_greeze]

Here's one for you guys: is the hole mounting layout the same on the CSW as the CSR-E? I'm talking about the holes in the bottom of the wheelbase (laid out in a triangle pattern) not the angled clamp-thingy.

 

[LogiForce]

Here's one for you guys: is the hole mounting layout the same on the CSW as the CSR-E? I'm talking about the holes in the bottom of the wheelbase (laid out in a triangle pattern) not the angled clamp-thingy.

As far as i am aware of this is the same. Though i do not own a CSR E to compare.

 

[lemansfanatic]

yes, Thomas said it was exactly the same dimensions. You can find a schematic with the exact dimensions on Thomas' wheelsite, sorry I dont have the link but a quick googlesearch will help you

 

[the_greeze]

As far as i am aware of this is the same. Though i do not own a CSR E to compare.

yes, Thomas said it was exactly the same dimensions. You can find a schematic with the exact dimensions on Thomas' wheelsite, sorry I dont have the link but a quick googlesearch will help you

Thank you Gents 👍 I have the schematic for the CSR-E so it's good to know the CSW is the same (I suspected it would be, but you never know!)

 

[MATKAP]

What is the resolution CSW? ( T500 RS - 16-bit - 65,536 )

 

[Pingwhen]

16 bit same as t500

 

[LogiForce]

Indeed 16 bit, but with the difference that the T500 has a motor mounted sensor and the CSW like the CSR Elite a steering column mounted one. Thus it is more precise as it uses the rim's position and not the motor's position as this turns constantly to produce rumble.

 

[MATKAP]

Thanks guys

 

[Raitziger]

Indeed 16 bit, but with the difference that the T500 has a motor mounted sensor and the CSW like the CSR Elite a steering column mounted one. Thus it is more precise as it uses the rim's position and not the motor's position as this turns constantly to produce rumble.

Also this means that centering is more accurate as it does make any difference even if gears have slack or not in them.

 

[LogiForce]

Also this means that centering is more accurate as it does make any difference even if gears have slack or not in them.

True, even though you could still forcefully get it to oscillate if you really want to, but nothing to worry about in games.


I do wonder why Thomas did not choose to use a triple sensor implementation though. This way you could probably have a more accurate read-out of motor telemetry and put this versus the user input via the steering column mounted one.
If you do this than you could make some code to counter any oscilation and improve force feedback response to user input.

 

[JogoAsobi]

Logi,

Did the RC shock addition to the CSP V.2 Brake do away with the foam slug and metal spacer the V1's used that could be swapped out for Tuning Kit replacements for further stiffening?

 

[LogiForce]

Logi,

Did the RC shock addition to the CSP V.2 Brake do away with the foam slug and metal spacer the V1's used that could be swapped out for Tuning Kit replacements for further stiffening?

No it did not. This has remained the same as far as I can tell 25mm metal and 25mm foam inserts are still used when I took that apart just now.

 

[ultimate]

any risk to buy csw at launch?
after testing it for month, what do you think about quality and coating?

 

[JogoAsobi]

No it did not. This has remained the same as far as I can tell 25mm metal and 25mm foam inserts are still used when I took that apart just now.

Hmm, the V.1 tuning kit came with 24MM and 30MM metal rods, I went with 30MM to shorten the throw on mine. One foam slug in tuning kit was of same length but much stiffer (one I used), and the other was slightly longer and thinner than the stock one.

Forgot to ask this as well, I know the clutch mechanism is different to offer more realistic feel, but are the spring dimensions used in V.2s the same as the V.1s?

....and how different are the dimensions of the RC spring you substituted on the V.2s with the brake spring from the V.1s.?

Just trying to figure what I can and cannot migrate to the V.2s because I am not excited about buying another tuning kit down the road in addition to CSP V.2s. I was not happy with the stock CSP pedal's resistance and the tuning kit parts really improved them for me.

 

[LogiForce]

Hmm, the V.1 tuning kit came with 24MM and 30MM metal rods, I went with 30MM to shorten the throw on mine. One foam slug in tuning kit was of same length but much stiffer (one I used), and the other was slightly longer and thinner than the stock one.

Forgot to ask this as well, I know the clutch mechanism is different to offer more realistic feel, but are the spring dimensions used in V.2s the same as the V.1s?

....and how different are the dimensions of the RC spring you substituted on the V.2s with the brake spring from the V.1s.?

Just trying to figure what I can and cannot migrate to the V.2s because I am not excited about buying another tuning kit down the road in addition to CSP V.2s. I was not happy with the stock CSP pedal's resistance and the tuning kit parts really improved them for me.

Springs on the clutch and has have the same diameter as on the V1 pedals. If this is what you mean.

Huh? I do not get your question on the RC Spring dimension? I put those measurements in the comment section of my video. The springs that I bought are from an RC Shop and do not come out of a tuning kit at all.

In any case you can use the entire tuning kit on the V2 pedals. You just need to buy aftermarket parts from a decent RC shop if you want to modify the damper.

 

[JogoAsobi]

Huh? I do not get your question on the RC Spring dimension? I put those measurements in the comment section of my video. The springs that I bought are from an RC Shop and do not come out of a tuning kit at all.

My bad, forgot about that, I will go back to your video, thank you very much for all the information.