CSW & CSR Elite: Questions you would like answered by the reviewers

[LogiForce]

OP Update: comparison chart and videos added of the products plus information about the names and abbreviations for each of them. I hope this solves any misunderstandings and maybe raise more questions after watching the videos if you haven't.

 

[Mr Latte]

CSR E does NOT mean ClubSport elite! The CSR line is set up between the porsche line of products and the ClubSport line. CSR stands for competition sport racing.

that means that the CSR E and the CSW are two totally different wheels.
please check here for all differences:
www.fanatec.de/html/pw_overview.htm

"C" is for cookie, thats good enough for me

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I wasnt aware it had been confirmed anywhere what "CSR" stands for.
Where does it say "Competition Sport Racing"? Sorry if I missed this just curious.

 

[HoiHman]

The CSW and CSR Elite use the same base.

The feel of the wheel, the precision and the force feedback will be identical.

The CSW has quick release and more advanced electronics (more buttons and advanced tuning)
The CSR Elite has Xbox 360 support.

If the BMW wheel becomes available for the CSR Elite, you will have the same wheel as the CSW only without the advanced electronics (like f.e. 120% FFB)

If i can sell my new CSR (1 week old), i will buy both if not i will only buy the CSW

 

[LogiForce]

Guys, this isn't a discussion thread. Please stick to asking questions as much as possible so that there will be some overview left once people need to write their review.

 

[Simracer92]

I wasnt aware it had been confirmed anywhere what "CSR" stands for.
Where does it say "Competition Sport Racing"? Sorry if I missed this just curious.

Thomas mentioned this at VirtualR..:
"Thanks for posting the story but I would like to mention that there is a small mistake in the headline. We are actually launching our CSR (Competition Sport Racing) product line and no products of our Clubsport series. The ClubSport series is all metal while the CSR product line is in between the ClubSport and the Porsche line of products."

 

[12thgear]

To our trio of deserving CSR Elite beta testers, I'd like to ask these questions:

1. How's the overall build quality relative to Porsche wheels? Is there chassis flex? How does the wheel respond when forces other than steering are applied (pulling, angling, etc)?
2. How's the overall build quality of the base and wheel rim relative to the T500RS?
3. How does the feel of the wheel rim compare to the PWTS, GT3RS or GT2, and T500RS? Please discuss ergos as well as materials.
4. Compared to the Porsche wheels, does the CSR-E steering feel more precise? Is the level of control finer? What about in comparison to the T500RS?
5. Is there any perceivable mechanical slop when making small steering adjustments? There's practically none with the Porsche wheels, but I'd prefer zero.
6. How does the CSR-E handle lower level/subtle FFB effects, especially relative to the GT3RS/GT2, which I feel slightly dampen some of these effects?
7. At the other extreme, are max FFB effects much stronger?
8. How fast is the wheel in actual gameplay? Is it T500RS fast? Is it close? Is it the same speed as the lower end CSR or faster still? Is the overall speed realistic?
9. How quickly does the CSR-E reverse direction?
10. The T500RS is commended for a feeling of inertia, like it's connected to something. How does the CSR-E compare?
11. How loud does the CSR-E get? Any new or unexpected noises?
12. Are there any performance differences between PC, PS3, and Xbox 360 usage? If so, what are they?
13. Is the CSR-E much heavier than the Porsche wheels? Does this negatively impact usage on lighter cockpits or on wheel stands?
14. What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

 

[sonac]

Great questions, definitely very helpful!

 

[Mr Latte]

Thomas mentioned this at VirtualR..:
"Thanks for posting the story but I would like to mention that there is a small mistake in the headline. We are actually launching our CSR (Competition Sport Racing) product line and no products of our Clubsport series. The ClubSport series is all metal while the CSR product line is in between the ClubSport and the Porsche line of products."

Thanks, must of missed that, visit "Virtual R" often daily.

 

[Patrocles]

As well as me, Caz.
I own also a T500 RS + Ferrari F1 rim. TH8 RS shifter ordered.
Plus i've been pondering about iRacing for a bit, might as well give it a spin by that time.



Won't be able to tell anything about durability within a month's worth of beta testing. So that's a question you'll have to ask end users over time I reckon.

Not necessarily, it can be addressed depending on use by the user as long as it is a qualified statement. Then later the long-term durability of unit can be addressed after many months/years.

 

[HoiHman]

I would also like a comparison between the CSR and the CSR Elite.

 

[Mr Latte]

I would also like a comparison between the CSR and the CSR Elite.

From myself your wish will be granted also comparing to the original PWTS via CS & CSRE pedals with RSWS and CSTC accessories. Then a full T500RS Vs CSRE "Clash of the Titans".

 

[Mr Latte]

To our trio of deserving CSR Elite beta testers, I'd like to ask these questions:

1. How's the overall build quality relative to Porsche wheels? Is there chassis flex? How does the wheel respond when forces other than steering are applied (pulling, angling, etc)?
2. How's the overall build quality of the base and wheel rim relative to the T500RS?
3. How does the feel of the wheel rim compare to the PWTS, GT3RS or GT2, and T500RS? Please discuss ergos as well as materials.
4. Compared to the Porsche wheels, does the CSR-E steering feel more precise? Is the level of control finer? What about in comparison to the T500RS?
5. Is there any perceivable mechanical slop when making small steering adjustments? There's practically none with the Porsche wheels, but I'd prefer zero.
6. How does the CSR-E handle lower level/subtle FFB effects, especially relative to the GT3RS/GT2, which I feel slightly dampen some of these effects?
7. At the other extreme, are max FFB effects much stronger?
8. How fast is the wheel in actual gameplay? Is it T500RS fast? Is it close? Is it the same speed as the lower end CSR or faster still? Is the overall speed realistic?
9. How quickly does the CSR-E reverse direction?
10. The T500RS is commended for a feeling of inertia, like it's connected to something. How does the CSR-E compare?
11. How loud does the CSR-E get? Any new or unexpected noises?
12. Are there any performance differences between PC, PS3, and Xbox 360 usage? If so, what are they?
13. Is the CSR-E much heavier than the Porsche wheels? Does this negatively impact usage on lighter cockpits or on wheel stands?
14. What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

Good questions for anyone doing a review/comparison.
I agree that people want to understand how/what type of upgrade they would get jumping to this from a previous Porsche or indeed the T500RS.

I cant answer No.14 but do think this wheel would be fit for King Arthur himself! If it is the "Holy Grail" of console steering wheels I guess you will have to wait for that.

If anyone has other questions, go ahead and post them...

 

[lemansfanatic]

Sorry, one more possibly off topic but wheres the list of all the wheels coming out for the CSW? I didn't hear about a BMW wheel, that sounds cool!

 

[Caz]

Sorry, one more possibly off topic but wheres the list of all the wheels coming out for the CSW? I didn't hear about a BMW wheel, that sounds cool!

There isnt one. Only the "formula style" and the BMW. Also Thomas from Fanatec has stated a true F1 replica rim will be released, but not confirmed in an official statement.
If you have a few hours you should read through the extremely clustereffed Fanatec thread.
Or just the OP of that thread

 

[Crispy]

There isnt one. Only the "formula style" and the BMW. Also Thomas from Fanatec has stated a true F1 replica rim will be released, but not confirmed in an official statement.
If you have a few hours you should read through the extremely clustereffed Fanatec thread.
Or just the OP of that thread

Haha, I was reading through some of the earlier pages just before E3. Everyone was getting so excited at just a small teaser photo, all the arguments and everything. Now it's almost release time!

I'm saving quite a good sum of money so I can go and rent stuff from Blockbuster to use as reviewing materials.

 

[Mr Latte]

Im with you crispy...

Ive been going around the ole mates to borrow the odd game. Never bought F1 yet and only have Dirt 3 on PS3.

Have a curisoity if FFB differs from X360 - PS3 as well so wanting to compare "Daytona" on each console as it is a game I can recommend to test the wheels FFB/Rotation speeds.

One of my own questions:
With CSRE using dual motors, does its FFB at 50% equal the Porsche/CSR wheels strength or feeling?
Even though the two wheels use different chassis etc what is the difference?

Look forward to your own comparison to the GT3RS

 

[Crispy]

^I was wondering this as well. It could be possible that each motor provides FFB for each side of the wheel. Right Motor providing the feedback coming from the right side of the car, and left motor for the left side.

Or as you said, it could double the FFB. Either way we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[fedexpress]

Power adapter question

if I buy this wheel in the usa will it work in another country?

is the power adapter universal?

thanks

 

[LogiForce]

Guys, could you discuss the wheels in a different threat. I want to keep this somewhat easily readable for the reviewers/testers as reference. Thanks

 

[paskowitz]

FFB strength on PS3/360 vs PC. In other words how does the feedback on games like GT5 and FM4 versus fully adjusted settings for a game life iRacing or RBR?

Even though PC games often have better FFB effects in general, there is an overall level of strength and feedback that just seems to always be missing on consoles. On lower end wheels like the DFGT this is less present. On the G25 and Porsche wheels it is more evident.

What is the wheel like during counter steering? To me this is the one of the most important sensations a wheel can translate. Granted the effect has a lot to do with the FFB on the game side, but the wheel also plays a part. Essentially, given game X, describe the CSRE's feeling vs the G25.

Go back to the back and forth testing, I am wondering if the CSRE will pick up effects that wheels like the G25 simply do not translate due to their antiquated tech. Any notes of this would be appreciated.

 

[bermudakid]

Ill post my question here for you, I only wanted to know if the BMW logo on the CSW GT Rim was a Decal or is it embedded in the wheel itself.
No need to answer it in a written or video video, just a post whenever the embargo is up.

 

[LogiForce]

Ill post my question here for you, I only wanted to know if the BMW logo on the CSW GT Rim was a Decal or is it embedded in the wheel itself.
No need to answer it in a written or video video, just a post whenever the embargo is up.

Will answer it soon for you I hope.
However I prefer if Mayaman did, since he will have the latest rims. There might be a slight difference but not sure.

 

[bermudakid]

Also, on the Formula Rim in some pictures it looked like you can see the inside of the wheel construction by the shifter paddles, is it still like that? Not sure if these where early prototypes and the design may have been closed up.

 

[Mayaman]

I have just received my email that the products will ship this week. So hopefully in its travels from Germany to here it will be here next week. I'll try my best to answer all questions and take as many pics as I can.

thanks

 

[Timppaq]

sorry wrong thread

 

[JogoAsobi]

For the CTs that also receive the CSP V.2 for testing.

1) How do the new Brake and Clutch on V.2 compare to stock CSP V.1s, and CSP V.1s with Tuning Kit parts installed regarding performance and tactile feedback?

2) Detailed analysis of changes made to Brake and Clutch pedal assys to accommodate the new RC shock on brake and dual-spring clutch in comparison to stock CSP V.1 assys.

3) Have any substitutions made to CSP V.2 parts other than the new modifications?
For example;

a. Is the CSP V.2's accelerator spring same as stock CSP V.1s or stiffer?

b. Is the steel rod and foam slug used for Brake pedal's assy. the same as stock CSP V.1s or similar to CSP V.1 Tuning Kit's alternate parts? Confirmation that the load cell is indeed the same as the CSP V.1s. Asking all this because the brake throw is advertised as shorter now on V.2s, so I am curious how this was done.

c. Are the brass bushings and steel axles the same as the later production versions of the CSP V.1s? (Not referring to the older plastic bushings or brass axles on the early CSP V.1 versions).

d. Out of the box, are the CSP V.2s pedal arm's mounted at the same points as the CSP V.1s?
(Yes, I know it has already been noted in previous discussions on other threads that the brake pedal arm seems to have been moved a notch in the CSP V.2 promo material released-to-date.)

Thanks for your attention.

 

[paskowitz]

I may not be the CTM or CT for GTP, but I am receiving a test wheel(for the US ps boards) and would be happy to offer my perspective on any questions you may have.

 

[LogiForce]

For the CTs that also receive the CSP V.2 for testing.

1) How do the new Brake and Clutch on V.2 compare to stock CSP V.1s, and CSP V.1s with Tuning Kit parts installed regarding performance and tactile feedback?

2) Detailed analysis of changes made to Brake and Clutch pedal assys to accommodate the new RC shock on brake and dual-spring clutch in comparison to stock CSP V.1 assys.

3) Have any substitutions made to CSP V.2 parts other than the new modifications?
For example;

a. Is the CSP V.2's accelerator spring same as stock CSP V.1s or stiffer?

b. Is the steel rod and foam slug used for Brake pedal's assy. the same as stock CSP V.1s or similar to CSP V.1 Tuning Kit's alternate parts? Confirmation that the load cell is indeed the same as the CSP V.1s. Asking all this because the brake throw is advertised as shorter now on V.2s, so I am curious how this was done.

c. Are the brass bushings and steel axles the same as the later production versions of the CSP V.1s? (Not referring to the older plastic bushings or brass axles on the early CSP V.1 versions).

d. Out of the box, are the CSP V.2s pedal arm's mounted at the same points as the CSP V.1s?
(Yes, I know it has already been noted in previous discussions on other threads that the brake pedal arm seems to have been moved a notch in the CSP V.2 promo material released-to-date.)

Thanks for your attention.

Great questions. I am sure they can be answered and indeed have to be answered.

I may not be the CTM or CT for GTP, but I am receiving a test wheel(for the US ps boards) and would be happy to offer my perspective on any questions you may have.

Thanks mate. Any help is welcome here as I think these guys will have quite a lot of questions. Which is a good thing as it shows interest which makes an in-depth review worthwhile.

 

[Aiobhill]

Also concerning CSP V.2:

How viable is left foot breaking while wearing racing shoes (Puma Speed Cat as to have a rough guesstimate on their size); especially what is the maximum distance between brake and gas pedals.

In what range can the brake resistance be selected. Also is there a way to change brake resistance independant of the length of travel of the brake pedal.

More of a general question, so I'm happy if any owners of the (old) CSP chime in: how susceptible are the pedals to dust and fur/hair and how difficult to clean. I spend most of my time in a household with a little boy and a little dog.

 

[mikemav]

I may not be the CTM or CT for GTP, but I am receiving a test wheel(for the US ps boards) and would be happy to offer my perspective on any questions you may have.

^^^Same here (only for ISR Board) Be glad to cross-post my thoughts here as well...