Lost Season 2 (DVDs Now Available)

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This thread is to discuss the second season of Lost without ruining anything for people in other countries where it doesn't air at the same time.

So, let this be a warning that if you have not seen season 2 at the same rate as the US there may definitely be SPOILERS.

I do realize there is already a Lost thread but I hoped to leave that for general discussion of the show and not discussion of current mysteries in the plot and storyline brought up in new episodes.

For reference: Season 2 is finished airing in the US and Season 3 starts on October 4th. It airs on Wednesday nights at 9ET/10PT on ABC.

Referal sites for all kinds of info are below.

Translations~
http://lostlinks.net/
http://driveshaftband.com/

For timeline~
http://lost.cubit.net/timeline.php?PHPSESSID=bdb4d5578e440262fa3833dc17a61488

Episode recaps~
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/201.html

For Spoilers~
http://spoilerfix.com/

Oceanic airlines (Plane)~
http://oceanic-air.com/
http://oceanicflight815.com/
http://thefuselage.com/
http://fuselage.com/

Hanso and Dharma (Hatch)~
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/
http://www.dharmaindustries.com/

For another LOST forum~
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/boards.html
http://lostfanforum.com/
http://www.blackrock.nl/

For screen caps~
http://lost-media.com/

Geronimo Jackson home page~
http://www.geronimo-jackson.com

LostPedia - A lost Wiki~
http://64.255.167.253/wiki/Main_Page
 
I rewatched the seasone finale last night and we were supposed to have seen part of the monster. I am assuming they mean the smoke after Kate throws the dynamite down the hole. The smoke seems to move on its own, or it was backdraft after the dynamite explosion that sucked it back down.

I have heard a couple of theories but the best that goes along with the smoke is either a nanobot cloud or a manifestation of their fears. What do you guys think?


In the preview for the season premiere they show a sign saying "quarantine" on it while saying we would find out what was in the hatch. Was the island a secret medical research or nuclear facility and is now abandoned but with the automated security system (monster) still working?



And before anyone says it: It is not a dream sequence and it is DEFINITELY NOT purgatury. The writers of the show have said so in multiple interviews with E!, TV Guide, and multiple other entertainment news sources. They promised not to use such cheap outs for their complex storyline.
 
Episode 1 has aired here in the states and I was curious about what everyone thought.

I loved the episode and it left me with lots of questions. Fortunatley it gave me some answers too.

What we know:
We now know that the hatch leads to an underground habitat of some sort.
We know that Jack knows, or thinks he knows, the man living in the hatch.

New questions:
Is there more than one person in the habitat?
Is the man in the habitat actually Desmond, the "almost doctor" that Jack met?
What was the vision of Walt that Shannon saw?
What did Walt say? (Some radio stations were playing it backwards and it sounded like "Don't push the button, the button is bad." Some are arguing if it wasn't "Push the button, no button's bad.")
Is the habitat guy with the others, Danielle, or Ethan, or a combination?
What does the quarantine sign on the hatch mean? Is the habitat the quarantine or, since it said it on the inside, is the island under quarantine?
What was the mural inside the habitat?
Did the magnet in the habitat play a role in the plane crash?
Finally, WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON!?!?!?!?!?

If anyone can add anything or just wants to discuss please feel free.
 
The very first episode of Lost that I've watched any part of was last night... the finale.

It was pathetic. Seriously, why do you like this show? I was horribly dissapointed. The plot twists were so obviously coming.
 
danoff
The very first episode of Lost that I've watched any part of was last night... the finale.

It was pathetic. Seriously, why do you like this show? I was horribly dissapointed. The plot twists were so obviously coming.
First, you can not judge a serial style show on one episode.

Second, the finale did not air last night, so I am assuming you meant premiere or you watched it some other way.

Third, even fans agree the finale was weak.

Finally, if you didn't like it don't watch it and be polite enough not to harass those who do.

Thank you.
 
FoolKiller
First, you can not judge a serial style show on one episode.

Second, the finale did not air last night, so I am assuming you meant premiere or you watched it some other way.

Third, even fans agree the finale was weak.

Finally, if you didn't like it don't watch it and be polite enough not to harass those who do.

Thank you.
I agree 100% with you here.

You cannot judge any series really by watching the one episode, especialy the last because you haven't got the tention of waiting to see what happens at the end by watching the episodes before it. Pretty stupid saying the series is pathetic by watching one episode. 👎
 
G.T
I agree 100% with you here.

You cannot judge any series really by watching the one episode, especialy the last because you haven't got the tention of waiting to see what happens at the end by watching the episodes before it. Pretty stupid saying the series is pathetic by watching one episode. 👎
Danoff is not one to just jump in and offend people for no reason. I am assuming that he was just trying to give his two cents as to why he didn't like the show and not trying to be offensive.

But having not spent a season trying to figure out what the monster is, who Ethan was, or who the Others are I don't think he has gotten a full feel for the show.
 
G.T
I agree 100% with you here.

You cannot judge any series really by watching the one episode, especialy the last because you haven't got the tention of waiting to see what happens at the end by watching the episodes before it. Pretty stupid saying the series is pathetic by watching one episode. 👎

How many episodes do I have to watch then to figure out it's weak? 2? 3? How much of my time must I waste before it is acceptable to you for me to reach the conclusion that the show is pathetic.

Whatever episode it was that aired last night was pretty poor. I won't be watching the show again. I was hoping you guys could explain to me why it was better than I thought. I thought "perhaps I am missing something here, because people seem to like this show" - which is why I read this thread at all.


Third, even fans agree the finale was weak.

This helps a bit because it tells me that I might have just tuned in for a bad show. I tend to assume that the finale episodes (or premieres) are some of the writers' best work. But I guess that wasn't the case here.
 
WARNING: Season 1 and season 2 episode 1 SPOILERS in this post.

danoff
How many episodes do I have to watch then to figure out it's weak? 2? 3? How much of my time must I waste before it is acceptable to you for me to reach the conclusion that the show is pathetic.

Whatever episode it was that aired last night was pretty poor. I won't be watching the show again. I was hoping you guys could explain to me why it was better than I thought. I thought "perhaps I am missing something here, because people seem to like this show" - which is why I read this thread at all.




This helps a bit because it tells me that I might have just tuned in for a bad show. I tend to assume that the finale episodes (or premieres) are some of the writers' best work. But I guess that wasn't the case here.
Well, did you watch them using dynamite to blow open the hatch or did you watch them actually get into the hatch? That will tell you which you saw. The premiere was them actually going in.

If you caught the premiere you have missed the mystery around the entire island. There is a "monster" knocking trees over that only one man has seen and he is all spiritual now. There is a crazy woman who has been stranded there for 16 years. There is the girl who was pregnant but a psychic told her to get on this plane to be safer because no one else can raise her baby but her or it will have bad effects on the entire world. There are the "others" who took the crazy woman's baby 16 years ago (she claims) and who we believe just kidnapped the 12-year-old boy. There was the guy on the island who tried to kidnap the pregnant woman and he is dead now but we still know nothing about why he was doing it.

And now we have a new guy in the hatch that it appears Jack met earlier on. We also have the four people who left on the raft, one of them the young boy, but they were attacked and the boy taken by who I assume are the "others" that the crazy lady talks about. We still have yet to see anything of them.

Catching the show from the beginning leaves you guessing at all these mysteries that has nothing to do with who the characters are, although they all seem to be pretty f'd up too. You have the drug addict, the cursed guy, the grifter, the woman wanted for murder (but did she do it?), the boy with what appear to be supernatural powers, the pregnant lady with the miracle(?) baby, and the paraplegic who can suddenly walk.

And everyone is excited about last night's premiere because it was teh first to give a solid answer to any of the above questions, while creating new ones. We now know what is in the hatch, but now we want to know why and if he had anything to do with the plane crash.


I don't know how many episodes it takes for you to decide it is weak. Most people who haven't seen from the beginning come to that conclussion, but those that watched from the pilot on have been addicted. It may be a POV kind of thing that depends on when you started watching. If you don't like it you can always watch whatever is on the other networks or play some GT.
 
SPOILERS HERE TOO

I saw the episode where they took the kid and blew the hatch. I thought the scene where they took the kid was really weak. You could tell right away that the guys were bad. In fact, you could tell as soon as they saw the blip that bad things were going to happen. I didn't find myself liking any of the characters - and the acting jobs were pretty weak. The guy who "wanted to commit suicide" was super poor.

There were other things. Like that when they blew the hatch one of the guys had to jump on another one because he needed to "get back" from the dynomite. I would think they'd be pretty careful about that.

Also, what the hell is up with the "monster"? It looked really odd and was doing some fairly erratic things - things that don't make any sense whatsoever. Like why would the "monster" knock over a bunch of trees and try to grab somebody? Why not just grab him? And why on earth did that guy think that the monster wouldn't hurt him? He had no reason (at least none that I could see) to think that.

And what's with the fat kid? Haven't they been on that island long enough at this point for the kid to lose some weight?

I don't know. There were a million things like this bothering me about the episode. Maybe if I had seen it from the beginning it would have cleared up some of my issues - but it certainly wouldn't fix bad acting/writing.

What do you think? Am I off base?
 
This will require much spoiling to answer. Just so you know.

danoff
I saw the episode where they took the kid and blew the hatch. I thought the scene where they took the kid was really weak. You could tell right away that the guys were bad. In fact, you could tell as soon as they saw the blip that bad things were going to happen. I didn't find myself liking any of the characters - and the acting jobs were pretty weak. The guy who "wanted to commit suicide" was super poor.
Yep, you saw the finale from last season, which pissed everyone off.

There were other things. Like that when they blew the hatch one of the guys had to jump on another one because he needed to "get back" from the dynomite. I would think they'd be pretty careful about that.
The fat kid, Hurley, was once in a psyche ward and a guy in there with him kept repeating a bunch of numbers. When Hurley got out he used those numbers to play the lottery with. He won and ever since bad stuff happened to him. He had family members dying left and right, a company he bought had the factory burn to the ground, and while discussing getting rid of the money with his financial advisor a man falls past the window (no explanation about suicide or accident). He investigates and finds out that the numbers and the bad luck that comes with them are why the guy was in the psyche ward. The psyche ward guy heard them on a radio signal while he was in the Navy. Hurley also finds out from the crazy French lady that she heard a broadcast with the numbers and when her scientific research team went to investigate they shipwrecked on the island. She is the only survivor after 16 years. Hurley freaks out about them trying to open the hatch because he sees the numbers on the side and tries to stop them, hence why he threw caution to the wind and had to be tackled out of the way.

Also, what the hell is up with the "monster"? It looked really odd and was doing some fairly erratic things - things that don't make any sense whatsoever. Like why would the "monster" knock over a bunch of trees and try to grab somebody? Why not just grab him? And why on earth did that guy think that the monster wouldn't hurt him? He had no reason (at least none that I could see) to think that.
No one knows what the "monster" is, yet. You have seen as much as we have of the "monster." The crazy French lady says it is an automated security system triggered when you enter a certain area. It did just grab and kill the pilot of the plane in the second episode. They found his mutilated body in a tree later.

The guy, Locke, doesn't believe he will be hurt because he has "seen" the monster before. We did not get to see what happened then. He is the only one. He was paraplegic and after the crash could walk. He has had some spiritual transformation due to this and believes the island itself is guiding them and people will only be hurt if they are needed as a sacrifice in order to teach a lesson. Boone was the only other one who believed him, but he died as a sacrifice.

And what's with the fat kid? Haven't they been on that island long enough at this point for the kid to lose some weight?
They addressed it and Hurley claims to have tightened his belt two notches already. It has only been a month and the Korean guy has been getting fish while Locke has been getting boar. They have managed to eat well enough and have even begun gardening for medicinal herbs and food. They found freshwater in a cave with a stream. This didn't all just happen at once though. Food and water have been a crisis issue spread throughout the first season.

[QUOTEI don't know. There were a million things like this bothering me about the episode. Maybe if I had seen it from the beginning it would have cleared up some of my issues - but it certainly wouldn't fix bad acting/writing.

What do you think? Am I off base?[/QUOTE]
The finale felt as if they were trying to give answers without really doing it. The season slowed down as it was only signed for half a season but then got extended and it feels like instead of creating new plots they just extended the current one and slowed things down a bit to stretch what they already had out over the rest of the season. This kind of culminated into a poorly done finale.

We were promised that we would get to see the monster and all we got was a moving smoke cloud. An early theory was a nanobot cloud but that was quickly abandoned. The monster is still a mystery and until we know what it is it will remain a mystery.

The premiere felt better and more solid and finally gave us a solid answer. As with anything, the better the writing the better the acting. When you consider the alternative is reality television this seems excellent.
 
BlackZ28
I hate this show, I actually agree with danoff. :embarrassed:
Just because I hate it doesnt mean its bad. :)
Why do people who hate a show go into a thread about the show?
 
danoff
How many episodes do I have to watch then to figure out it's weak? 2? 3? How much of my time must I waste before it is acceptable to you for me to reach the conclusion that the show is pathetic.
I know this because when I saw an episode of "24" for the first time, about half way through the first season, I didn't think much of it. When I started from the beginning and followed the story it was the most addictive show I have ever seen. From just seeing 1 hour and watching just that little more from the beginning, it can make a big difference.

It's the same for Star Trek for me too.
 
Hey, FoolKiller! I guess that "tip" on the hatch was a good one. :D
FoolKiller
Episode 1 has aired here in the states and I was curious about what everyone thought.

I loved the episode and it left me with lots of questions. Fortunatley it gave me some answers too.
I wasn't sure if I was gonna watch it, or just wait another year for season 2 DVD set(that's what I did with season 1). I did watch it, and thought it was very good. 👍

FoolKiller
Is there more than one person in the habitat?
Is the man in the habitat actually Desmond, the "almost doctor" that Jack met?
I think those kidnappers are from the hatch. I also thought the guy in the hatch was Desmond.

FoolKiller
What was the vision of Walt that Shannon saw?
What did Walt say? (Some radio stations were playing it backwards and it sounded like "Don't push the button, the button is bad." Some are arguing if it wasn't "Push the button, no button's bad.")
Is the habitat guy with the others, Danielle, or Ethan, or a combination?
What does the quarantine sign on the hatch mean? Is the habitat the quarantine or, since it said it on the inside, is the island under quarantine?
What was the mural inside the habitat?
Did the magnet in the habitat play a role in the plane crash?
Finally, WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON!?!?!?!?!?
My answers pretty much highlighted in red.

danoff
The very first episode of Lost that I've watched any part of was last night... the finale.

It was pathetic. Seriously, why do you like this show? I was horribly dissapointed. The plot twists were so obviously coming.
If you didn't watch the season one in its' entirety, I don't know how you can enjoy the show. Last season, I caught first few episodes. After I missed a couple, I just stopped watching and waited for the DVD set to come out. I really liked it, except for the finale. If you are really interested in the show, I suggest renting the Season One DVDs. :)
 
a6m5
Hey, FoolKiller! I guess that "tip" on the hatch was a good one. :D
Yeah, I ended up seeing it in a preview the next day. That's the first time I got a rumor that turned out to be true. Now the question is, is the island or the habitat the quarantine? The sign was on the inside of the hatch, making me believe that the island is under quarantine and they are the observers, which would explain the injection we see him giving himself at the beginning.

I think those kidnappers are from the hatch. I also thought the guy in the hatch was Desmond.
I don't know if the kidnappers are also from the hatch because they seemed kind of dirty and had worn out clothes, but the guy in the hatch was clean at the beginning. He was sleeping on a bunk bed so I believe he may have had a roommate at least (Ethan?). I think it is Desmond except that the technology in teh hatch ios from teh 70's/early 80's. Jacks badge in the hospital, during the flashback where he meets Desmond, says 1997. The timeline doesn't fit unless Desmond is not the guy we see at the beginning but another castaway who found his way into the hatch.

New info from the ABC forums.
Go to this website http://www.oceanicflight815.com/ and then click on the barcode looking thing in the links at the bottom. When it asks for a code enter "theislandiswaiting" Be sure to have no spaces. It will open what appears to be a script page. The website is hosted by Disney/ABC and seems to be official. If you click on the terms of service it links you back to the Disney/ABC terms of service.

So, what does this mean, or is it even to be believed?
 
OK, new episode last night. I am still torn on whether I liked the same scene with a new perspective that they did (Very Tarantino) or whether I feel cheated. It did reveal more about the hatch and that it is definitely Desmond in the hatch.

We did see what happened to the guys on the raft. Well, we saw Michale and Sawyer. I hope they don't do thenew perspective thing with Jin. A whole episode with Korean would suck for me because I don't understand any of it. I can grasp most European languages, but Asian I don't understand at all.

Sawyer is a bad ass for pulling the bullet out of his arm with his bare hands and then asking for a Band-Aid. I loved the whole shark bit.

So next week we apparently get to see the others and we find Michelle Rodriguez's character (Ana-Lucia), which excites me because I love Michelle Rodriguez. Does the introduction of her character put a twist in the triangle between Sawyer, Kate, And Jack? Jack obviously had an attraction for her in the airport bar, and she seemed to like him too. Perhaps Jack will let the two fugitives get their outlaw lovin' on while he hooks up with the hot business woman.


New questions:
1) Does Desmond recognize Jack?
2) What happens if the numbers are not put into the computer?
3) Is Ana-Lucia the only other survivor or are there more?
4) Was Jin being held by the Others or just some tribal type people?
5) Are the people holding Jin the same group as the ones on the boat that took Walt?
6) If not, which ones are the Others and are they both bad/evil?
7) Why did Desmond seemed surprised that the rest of the world existed?
8) Why did the shark's tail have the same logo as the stuff in teh hatch and Desmond's jumpsuit?
9) WTF is going on!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Anyone else have any thoughts?
 
Spoiler Alert!

FoolKiller
OK, new episode last night. I am still torn on whether I liked the same scene with a new perspective that they did (Very Tarantino) or whether I feel cheated. It did reveal more about the hatch and that it is definitely Desmond in the hatch.
I missed the first few minutes! :banghead: Anyways, there's still something I don't get about Desmond and the hatch. In the beginning of the season premier, they show Desmond waking up and working out. He looks young there, just like in the encounter with Jack, when Jack had the sprained ankle. Also, everything inside the hatch is clean. Desmond hears a loud bang, runs over to see what's going on. We all assume it was "the hatch" being blown open by Locke. By the time Kate and Locke's inside though, Desmond looks dirty and older, inside the hatch is a mess. :confused:

FoolKiller
So next week we apparently get to see the others and we find Michelle Rodriguez's character (Ana-Lucia), which excites me because I love Michelle Rodriguez. Does the introduction of her character put a twist in the triangle between Sawyer, Kate, And Jack? Jack obviously had an attraction for her in the airport bar, and she seemed to like him too. Perhaps Jack will let the two fugitives get their outlaw lovin' on while he hooks up with the hot business woman.
I love Michelle, also. I've liked her in Fast and the Furious, but really liked her in Resident Evil. 👍 And yes, I can see the triangle already. :D

About "the Others" at the end of the second episode, I got the feeling that they were also survivors of some sort of wreck. I could be wrong. Super Spoilers!!!!!!!! I can't remember where I read this one, but someone mentioned that "Quarantine" is written inside the hatch. If it's warning people inside the hatch about the quarantine(also, there was no way in from the outside), Island probably is the quarantine. Desmond also repeatedley asked if anyone got sick on the island.
 
a6m5
Spoiler Alert!


I missed the first few minutes! :banghead: Anyways, there's still something I don't get about Desmond and the hatch. In the beginning of the season premier, they show Desmond waking up and working out. He looks young there, just like in the encounter with Jack, when Jack had the sprained ankle. Also, everything inside the hatch is clean. Desmond hears a loud bang, runs over to see what's going on. We all assume it was "the hatch" being blown open by Locke. By the time Kate and Locke's inside though, Desmond looks dirty and older, inside the hatch is a mess. :confused:
The eye was also a different color. At the very, very beginning when they show the eye open it is green. Desmond's eyes are brown. This could just be a trick of the lighting. I need to go back and watch again, I recorded them both on my PCs TV tuner card and am putting them on DVD tonight. If the guy at the beginning is Desmond it may be a flashback of some sort, I also noticed that the false lighting through his "window" is not visible because the window isn't broken in the beginning. In ep.2 when Locke asks him about the lighting the "window" is broken and you can see the light fixture. Another thing I must go back and look at.

I am guessing that the beginning was a flashback for Desmond or it was someone else in this or another hatch. I am betting on flashback because the explosion is what brought him out of it, much like the regular character's flashbacks are ended by someone talking or something happening. When the explosion happens the scene jumps, not pans, to the passegeway with the smoke.
I love Michelle, also. I've liked her in Fast and the Furious, but really liked her in Resident Evil. 👍 And yes, I can see the triangle already. :D
After Fast and the Furious and Resident Evil I kind of became obsessed. I even saw Blue Crush just to see her. I love her because she is hot but I can believe it when she turns around and plays the bad ass. I hope they let her give her attitude and toughness and not just a helpless, yet hot, business woman in this.
About "the Others" at the end of the second episode, I got the feeling that they were also survivors of some sort of wreck. I could be wrong.
Well, Ana-Lucia was in the very back row of the plane. I think the group may be the survivors from the tail section but have gone tribal because they have had to deal with the "pirate" others or worse. On top of that they did not have the benefit of the stewardess section or the cargo hold for supplies. What glimpses I saw make it appear that they are in tattered modern day clothes. Perhaps they have gone "Lord of the Flies" on us?
I can't remember where I read this one, but someone mentioned that "Quarantine" is written inside the hatch. If it's warning people inside the hatch about the quarantine(also, there was no way in from the outside), Island probably is the quarantine. Desmond also repeatedley asked if anyone got sick on the island.
After blowing the hatch Kate saw and pointed out that the inside side read "quarantine." Then after Desmond began asking if anyone is sick it made me definitely think that the island is supposed to have some disease or ill effect that is not good for humans. Danielle has been there 16 years and in season 1 she mentioned her crew suffering from a disease and that she had to kill them. Desmond also said something along eth lines of, "So, there is stilla word out theer? It's all there?" What the hell did he think happened? Was he expecting a bio-holocaust?

New info, and I updated my episode summary to reflect the new questions: The shark that was attacking Sawyer had a logo on its tail that closely resembles the logo on the crates inside the hatch and on Desmond's jumpsuit. This reinforces the question of, WTF is going on? I even went back and viewed the files on my computer to be sure this wasn't a fake floating around the Internet. It was there and I took a screen capture, but I need to lighten it to make it easier to see. My only fear is that this may lead into something very corny as an explanation. I don't need an Umbrella Corporation type storyline.
 
FoolKiller
Well, Ana-Lucia was in the very back row of the plane. I think the group may be the survivors from the tail section but have gone tribal because they have had to deal with the "pirate" others or worse. On top of that they did not have the benefit of the stewardess section or the cargo hold for supplies. What glimpses I saw make it appear that they are in tattered modern day clothes. Perhaps they have gone "Lord of the Flies" on us?
SPOILER AGAIN!
According to my coworker(I don't know his source), there were three survivors from the tail section. White male, black male and Michelle Rodriguez character. I don't know who the white male is, but I'm guessing the black male is the husband of the lady from the first episode(who was with Jack, doing the crash).

FoolKiller
New info, and I updated my episode summary to reflect the new questions: The shark that was attacking Sawyer had a logo on its tail that closely resembles the logo on the crates inside the hatch and on Desmond's jumpsuit. This reinforces the question of, WTF is going on? I even went back and viewed the files on my computer to be sure this wasn't a fake floating around the Internet. It was there and I took a screen capture, but I need to lighten it to make it easier to see. My only fear is that this may lead into something very corny as an explanation. I don't need an Umbrella Corporation type storyline.
Interesting. And I'm shallow enough to like the "Umbrella" corporation theory. :D
 
a6m5
SPOILER AGAIN!
According to my coworker(I don't know his source), there were three survivors from the tail section. White male, black male and Michelle Rodriguez character. I don't know who the white male is, but I'm guessing the black male is the husband of the lady from the first episode(who was with Jack, doing the crash).
Yeah, it is believed to be Rose's (the black woman) husband, some doctor that some of the ABC websites talk about, and Ana-Lucia. All I care about is ana-Lucia, because it is Michelle Rodriguez.

Interesting. And I'm shallow enough to like the "Umbrella" corporation theory. :D
While it would be cool, as an avid gamer, I feel it would be a cheap cop out. The evil corporation is a little over used. I would rather have the hatch and Desmond have an answer that is only slightly related to the island's craziness. That way we can have closure on something and answers by teh end of the season without ruining the basis of the show.


Oh, I am trying to get all the links I use together as a reference that will be added to the original post. I hope to have that by day's end.

EDIT: Here they are.

Translations~
http://lostlinks.net/

http://driveshaftband.com/

For timeline~
http://lost.cubit.net/timeline.php?PHPSESSID=bdb4d5578e440262fa3833dc17a61488

Episode recaps~
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/201.html

For Spoilers~
http://spoilerfix.net/

Oceanic airlines (Plane)~
http://oceanic-air.com/
http://oceanicflight815.com/
http://thefuselage.com/
http://fuselage.com/

For another LOST forum~
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/boards.html
http://lostfanforum.com/

For screen caps~
http://lost-media.com/
 
a6m5
I missed the first few minutes! :banghead: Anyways, there's still something I don't get about Desmond and the hatch. In the beginning of the season premier, they show Desmond waking up and working out. He looks young there, just like in the encounter with Jack, when Jack had the sprained ankle. Also, everything inside the hatch is clean. Desmond hears a loud bang, runs over to see what's going on. We all assume it was "the hatch" being blown open by Locke. By the time Kate and Locke's inside though, Desmond looks dirty and older, inside the hatch is a mess. :confused:
I have an update on this. Read this thread.
http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=583378&forumStart=0
 
a6m5
Interesting. The thing is, inside the hatch, it looks like decades has passed, not just few years. Equipment inside looks like they are from 60's or 70's. Music on the turntable is definitely 70's. However, I think Desmond was only around 30 when he met Jack for the first time. Hmmmmm........
After putting the episodes on DVD last night I rewatched them and it definitely look like the bunker was intended for two people. He has a bunk bed and in the first episode the bottom bunk (he slept in teh top) had books next to it and whatnot. You know, like someone would do if they were using it. He also had games, such as ping pong, that were designed for two people. However, the ping pong table was set up for one person use, with one side verticle.

When Desmond met Jack it was 1997, you can see it on Jack's hospital badge. That would explain why some of the lamps and the record player are different. Desmond might not have been in the bunker the entire time it was there. He might have been in there only since he first met Jack. The older technology might just be because that was the original setup and things have not changed due to some hardwiring.

Desmond may have been expecting a replacement years ago that never came and he assumes that whatever the bunker was intended for has happened, which would be why he was asking Locke if he was "him" and then it might be why he also asked if the world was still there.

Whatever reason he is down there the technology is not original to him and he did not expect to ever see people. I'm just jealous he has a working Apple II. The floppy drive on my Commodore died a long time ago.
 
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Whatever reason he is down there the technology is not original to him and he did not expect to ever see people. I'm just jealous he has a working Apple II. The floppy drive on my Commodore died a long time ago.
:lol: Yeah. One of the "old school" equipment was that computer. Desmond said he almost became a doctor, so maybe that has something to do with his background......
 
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:lol: Yeah. One of the "old school" equipment was that computer. Desmond said he almost became a doctor, so maybe that has something to do with his background......
I figure that the computer was hooked up to a device (weapon?) of sorts with a dead man's switch, which is where if it isn't reset every so often it activates. It could explain the numbers having to be entered and the timer.

Something connected to a dead man's switch, it seems to me, is not something you want to replace the technology on unless you have to, in the event that replacing the technology might take too long and set off the device.

Also, I think they have kept a record player because records are fully analog and aisde from an amplifier requires very little power and has a low risk of wearing out. Records wear out over time and lose sound quality, but the equipment is very low maintenance compared to a CD player getting ruined by a dusty, damp environment.
 
I just found something very interesting, but I doubt it's reality. It was posted by someone on the ABC Forums and it sounds very convincing. However, like I said, since I can't find any info on this "Roussau" character, I hereby proclaim it fake until proven real . . . or fake again.

!THIS IS A THEORY!
It is up to you to determine the truth through your own research or thought​

I recently found an interesting natuarlly occuring thoery found in our world that states everyone has a mirror image somewhere in the world. You may have heard of this. Roussau's genetic mirror theory says that everyone in the world has an exact twin somewhere, however according to the theory you never encounter this person, by laws of probablitly and other natuaral occuring phemnomen. Its the theory that was devised by a French Mathematician named Marseille Roussau in the year 1988. He used a series of numbers to explain his theory. Now I know you're not going to believe this but here goes.


4 8 15 16 23 42


Let me explain...

The 4 stands for 4 degrees of separation (not 6 or 7 as commonly stated. Roussau believed that everyone in the world was connected by four different people. So in theory could meet yourself by using four different people connected to you. Example: Your brother's, boss's, neighbor nephew, knows your mirror. Hard to believe, I know but keep reading.

The 8 stands for the eight continent, or the only place in the world where you could meet your mirror. He calculated it to be somewhere in the south pacific. Now we know its not actually as large as the other contintents but its used figurtively because everyone in all 7 continents could meet there mirror on the 8th universal continent.

The 15 stands for the chances of you acually meeting yourself on this place, as in 15 out of 4,815,162,342. Look at the second set "815." Ring any bells? Interesting huh?

The 16 stands for the maximum amount of people that could encounter thier twin all at the same time. Think about the number of main characters.

The 23 is the number of years apart your twin and yourself are. You are not the same age as your twin. By chance and probablity it takes 23 years exactly for the same genes that made you to be connected again to form another you.

The 42 stands for the maximimum number of years your twin and yourself can be alive at the same time. However people do die at diffferent times so thats why everyone isn't dead at 75. For example my twin was born on Sept. 6 2003 b/c i was born on Spet. 6 1980. Now that doesn't mean i will die in the year 2045, I could, but its not set in stone. My twin could die when he is 16, and then the whole thing starts over again.

This is all very complicated and I don't know how well I explained it but the connections with the show are too coinidental to not be real.

Roussau and his team (wife, included) went to the 8th continent. You can figure out how they died and why by the numbers and equations. It also fits with every character. You can predict when they will die. There are others on the island who are twins of the survivors, but have been there 23 years longer.

There is a book Roussau wrote 16 years ago in 1988 when he came up with the theory. Thats where I got it from.





i found what is below on IMDB and i had to popst it, im English so ive spoilt myself, so if you dont want ANY SPOILERS dont read it.(if youve seen series 1 then youll know most of it)






WARNING SPOILERS:



THE BLACK ROCK
The black rock is actually a fairly large ship. It appears to date from the 1800s. Locke guessed that it was bringing slaves to a mining colony. It's fitted with skeletons, chains, and a box full of dynamite. Oh yeah, and it's miles inland.
Possible Explanations: Dr. Arzt suggested it was dragged in from a tsunami. But isn't it in a little too good condition for that to be the reason?

THE HATCH
This one has already been explained pretty well. On an uncharted island, a large hatch is found by Locke and Boone. After some excavating, they blow the lid off with dynamite. The lid has the numbers written on it. It is approximately 40-50 feet deep. Inside lives a man known only as Desmond. Desmond had met Jack in a stadium years before. The hatch contains driers, artificial sun, computer, sound system, blender, and an extremely large supply of food. It also has a periscope of sorts and tons of guns. A timer is set with 108. Inputting 4 8 15 16 23 42 resets the timer. Desmond appears to inject himself with some sort of medicine every morning.
Possible Explanations: Perhaps...who am I kidding, I've got nothing.

THE NUMBERS
4 8 15 16 23 42. These numbers appear everywhere throughout the show. 48 survivors, $23,000 reward for Kate, flight 815, the list goes on and on. What we do know is these numbers appear to bring bad luck to the family and friends of people who inherit them, all the while helping those who do find them. Odd, isn't it? And Hurley used them to win the lottery. That's a big no-no. The numbers were being broadcasted from the island. This broadcast attracted Danielle Rosseau and her team. The broadcast tower is near the Black Rock. The numbers date back to WWII, perhaps furhter. They've hit Hurley, Rosseau, Lenny, and some guy in Australia (I forgot his name.)

DANIELLE ROSSEAU
Very little is known about Danielle Rosseau. A bilingual French woman, she was stranded on the island about sixteen and a half years ago. Soon the members of her science team were killed off by a mysterious infection. That left her alone to give birth to her child, Alex. Alex was soon captured by the terrifying Others. After her teammates were killed, she found a communication tower near the Black Rock. She sent out a French distress message. Hmm, is French her main language, or did she assume they were in French waters? At any rate, Danielle is a different woman from when she first arrived. Giving birth to a child, having her baby kidnapped, killing her own husband, these have hardened her. Patrolling the island with a sniper gun and hiding out in an underground layer, she's always around, but just out of sight. The only thing that keeps Danielle alive is the hope that she'll see her child Alex again. And she'll do anything to make that happen.

THE OTHERS
The Others are perhaps the most mysterious of the island's secrets. From what Danielle says, they are people hiding in the jungle. They are the people who took her child away. Yet she never sees them. She can only hear their whispers. At first, nobody believes her. But then Sayid heard the whispers. And then Sawyer. And possibly Shannon before seeing Walt in episode 2 of season 2. Nobody knows who they are. But many believe that they are the people who kidnapped Walt and attacked Michael, Sawyer, and Jin at the end of ADRIFT. Because if these people weren't the others, that would mean there are THREE groups of people on the island. And that's impossible. But then again, on this island nothing's impossible.

THE POLAR BEARS
In the Pilot Part 2, we are introduced to a polar bear. Yes, you read right. A polar bear. In a jungle. On a tropical island. Near the equator. Sounds kind of fishy. With all of that fur, how could they possible survive here. And more importantly, how did they get here? Also, Danielle seems to acknowledge their existence in SOLITARY.
Possible Explanation: Walt seems to be able to conjure up these little devils after reading a comic book.

WALT'S ABILITIES
From killing birds to making polar bears, Walt is something special. He's been through a plane crash, lost his mother, been attacked by a polar bear, and kidnapped. All in two months! Not only is he an excellent knife-thrower and one of the bravest kids you'll ever meet, but he seems to have another ability. When he is very mad, he can make things happen. When reading a book on birds and getting upset, one flies into the door of his home. When his dad burns his comic book with a polar bear, one appears. He mentioned sharks in the water before the raft set sail, and then one attacked Sawyer and his dad. And he knows something about the hatch. And after possible escaping the Others, he speaks to Shannon backwards. And it sounds an awful lot like, "Press the Button. No button is bad."
Possible Explanation: All I can say is maybe the island has a connection with Walt, like it does with Locke.

LOCKE'S PARALYSIS
Locke's life sucks. Plain and simple. He had his kidney stolen by his own father, his mother's insane, he was paralyzed for four years, his sister died when she was a kid, he was raised in foster homes, and he has a jerk of a boss who's half his age. And he's bald. But something miraculous happened to Locke on this island. He found out he could walk. And what's more amazing is after putting on his shoes and realizing this, he got right up and helped Jack save others. Not much is known about this, but Locke insists that the island has given him a gift. And he's willing to repay the island. With whatever it asks.

THE MONSTER
A.K.A. Lostzilla. It's one of the most mysterious things on Lost. First appearing in the Pilot, it sounds like a bunch of machinery, a roar, and chains clanking. It bends only the tops of trees. It killed the pilot. In the finale of season 1, Danielle explained it's the island's security system. But the weirdest thing is this. It sounds huge and like a machine, yet it appears to be a column of black smoke. The only person to face it and live is John Locke. And he says what he saw is beautiful. But in the season finale it tried to suck Locke into a hole. Who knows what's up with this thing. Just don't get too close.

THE DARK TERRITORY
Briefly mentioned in the season finale, this is the area surrounding the Black Rock. This is where Danielle's team was infected, and one of them lost an arm. It's inhabited by a dark smokey thing which may or may not be the monster. It also holds a giant bird which appears to screech, "Hurley!" Marked by a black shirt, this is one place you might one to stay clear of
 
Before I start, GTRacer4, you said you are in England and I just wanted to make sure that you know we will spoil season 2 for you. Since I posted warnings I am not holding back on what I say here.

BTW, when do you all get season 2?
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I just found something very interesting, but I doubt it's reality. It was posted by someone on the ABC Forums and it sounds very convincing. However, like I said, since I can't find any info on this "Roussau" character, I hereby proclaim it fake until proven real . . . or fake again.

!THIS IS A THEORY!
It is up to you to determine the truth through your own research or thought​

-buncha stuff-
Ah, the Genetic Mirror Theory. After much research and thought I concluded that:
Hoax, 100% hoax. Best TV plot based hoax I have ever seen.
This is where it started:
http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=560350
Then the creator fesses up here on the second to last post, he even attempted to claim he was the show's writer/creator:
http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?start=390&threadID=560350&forumStart=0
And here he is trying to make it into a social experiment:
http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=586859
This guy needs a life.

The theory worked too well and had way too much BS scent on it for me to go for it, but I was waiting for something intriguing to come out of it. I was disappointed when he admitted that it was a hoax. I hoped someone had found something legitimate.

Unfortunately he still has people all over the friggin country believing this is it. This will go on and on like the purgatory theory. The problem with the ABC boards is too many noobs that are middle aged first-time PC users who will believe anything that flies at them and then they will turn around and spout it off to everyone else.

i found what is below on IMDB and i had to popst it, im English so ive spoilt myself, so if you dont want ANY SPOILERS dont read it.(if youve seen series 1 then youll know most of it)
Thanks for all the info. I should probably add the IMDB and TV.com stuff to the resource links at the top.

If anyone else has any good links post them here and I will add them.
 
OK Episode 3 aired last night. SPOILERS

First, two sites that relate to the episode. Neither seem to reveal or do much but are linked to the show. ABC is taking this thing all out.

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/
http://www.dharmaindustries.com/

OK, last night we found out how Desmond came to be in the hatch and what it is supposed to be. Because the orientation video called it a station I will call it that from now on as well.

Desmond was on his race around the world in a boat when he wrecked on the reef and washed ashore. A man (Calvin or Kelvin?) approached him and showed him that he had to enter a code (the numbers) into the computer and press the button every 108 minutes or something bad would happen. No one seems to know what this is. Calvin or Kelvin died a while back and Desmond has been there 3 years.

When Jack and Locke watch the orientation video that Desmond provides it explains that this is one of six reasearch stations. We do not know if the five other stations are on the island or around the world. We do know that this is station 3, The Swan. There was apparently an incident and now the code must be entered and the button pushed every 108 minutes or something will happen. What? It also said that there would be replacements every 500 some odd days, which has not been happening. The video appears to be bad quality or editted because it skips a lot, leaving questions.

After watching the video Jack believes that it is all a bunch of BS and the true research is behavioral to see what a person left in this situation will do. This comes from the fact that, according to the video, the brainchilds of the Dharma Project were sociologists specializing in behavioral research. The computer is broken in the initial struggle and Desmond, believing something bad is about to happen flees. Then, Sayid to the rescue. Sayid fixes the computer and Locke enters the numbers, against Hurley's advice, and then has Jack press the button against his better judgement. It seems that the station is now the reponsibility of Locke and Jack. Locke took the first shift.

Hurley discovered the food storage.

The guys who were on the raft were taken by a group of people and thrown in a pit with a bamboo lid. While in there a woman, Ana-Lucia (Michele Rodriguez, hell yes!) is thrown in with them. She asks who they are and they tell her about the plane crash. She says she was on it also, in the back section.

Sawyer then reveals to Ana-Lucia that he has a gun and when "Shaft" comes back he will give him a surprise. Ana-Lucia reacts by stealing the gun from Sawyer and yelling to be let out. As she is being lifted out we hear "Shaft" say, "Who are they? What did you find out?" This leads me to believe this whole group is the tail section survivors. Why they act aggressive I can only guess, but I am sure that in 45 days they have had their fair share of adventures too. Perhaps they have met the real others?

New questions:
1) What happens if you don't enter the numbers in the computer? I am counting on Jack to answer this eventually out of frustration.
2) Are Locke and Jack now taking turns in the station? Does this mean Jack can't keep an eye on Locke anymore?
3) Where are the other stations?
4) Is the station actually an observation lab for behavioral research like Jack assumes?
5) What is Dharma, really?
6) Why are there no replacements for the station?
7) Does Hurley eat all the food?
8) Are the raft boys' captors other survivors? Will they believe our Losties?
9) Ana-Lucia seems crafty (stealing guns and punching Sawyer HARD), who is she?
10) What has happened to Ana-Lucia and her others all this time?
11) Where did Desmond go? - I think he will become a come and go character like Danielle.
12) WTF is going on?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
 
It was a very good episode, but I was doing couple of choirs and missed few chunks of it. :grumpy: I'm thinking about waiting until end of the year again, then buy the Season 2. I did that with Season 1, and it was pure heaven watching all those episodes in the row........... until the sucky season finale. :D
 
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