Lost Season 2 (DVDs Now Available)

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Currently in NZ we have reruns of the first season on Tuesdays and Wednesdays at about 10:30pm. It's a great build up because as season one finishes the second will begin. This coming week Special and Homecoming are to be screened, we wont see the second season until February 2nd so this thread helps in the mean time, thanks! :)👍

EDIT: And for kicks, Cast Away was on the same channel tonight, a fitting move!
 
ALPHA
Currently in NZ we have reruns of the first season on Tuesdays and Wednesdays at about 10:30pm. It's a great build up because as season one finishes the second will begin. This coming week Special and Homecoming are to be screened, we wont see the second season until February 2nd so this thread helps in the mean time, thanks! :)👍
Glad to help you out.

By NZ I am assuming you mean New Zealand. Living closer to the geography is there any urban legend or something along those lines about a strange island in that region? Perhaps a Bermuda Triangle type place? I'm curiou because the creators have made it out to appear that the island ("if it is an island") is something we should know about already, we just don't realize it. The best I can figure they would be somewhere between Samoa and Tahiti, assuming the pilot had their location worked out appropriately.

EDIT: And for kicks, Cast Away was on the same channel tonight, a fitting move!
That is a classic move by the programmer. I can't believe that hasn't been done in the US. I could see ABC using one of their cable networks to rerun Lost, like NBC does Surface on Sci-Fi Channel, and then following it up with Cast Away.
 
Fairlady240zg
A friend of mine goes nuts about this tv show. Whats the deal, Ive watched acouple, but didnt find it amazing as he does?
I saw a couple of episodes of 24 but didn't see what was so fgreat about it, but I know if I watch it from begining to end it will be different.

Serailized dramas have a story that lasts multiple episode/seasons so a couple of episodes don't truly get you pulled in and probably leave you confused more than anything. Find someone with the DVDs or episodes recorded and watch from teh beginning. If by episode four you aren't hooked then it just isn't for you.

A guy at work said the same thing but borrowed someone's DVDs over the summer and after the first disc came up to me and his exact words were, "Lost is freaking awesome!"

The biggest draw of the show is that the mystery grows and even as you get answers or learn things you find you have even more questions. I know people who say that they are tired of being confused but can't stop watching because they want to know where it is going.

Think about X-files. They would solve a case every episode, but there was always the background mystery that they gained a little information about every episode. Over the course of the show you learned about the smoking man and the government conspiracy. Lost is the same way. Someone is dealing with an inner demon that is affecting their current situation and they will come to terms with it and be able to move on with the predicament on the island. However, around these stories of personal tragedy, guilt, and anguish you have multiple bunkers/hatches created by a scientific organization for research purposes, a computer with a dead man's switch connected to who knows what, "Others" running around in the woods kidnapping and killing people, a crazy French lady that has been shipwrecked for 16 years, Desmond who was living in the hatch, and some monster that only the creepy quiet guy has seen but at least one person is to believed to have been killed by it.

How does it all tie in together? Does it? Multiple long-term plots on the island or one very big plot?

In the end the biggest draw is that afterwards you are left with enough things to guess at and think about that you find you and your friends discussing the possibilities online and around the water cooler at work.
 
Fairlady240zg
Cool. Im gonna check out season 1 from blockbuster later this week then. Thanks!
I'm glad to see you have an open mind and are willing to check it out. If you enjoy a good sci-fi/mystery/thriller you will enjoy it.

Let me know what you think after you see a good bit of it.
 
Well, it hgas been three weeks since I last posted here and I just wanted to remind everyone that the new episodes continue this Wednesdya, January 11th, at 9:00 PM on ABC. For a recap episode tune in at 8:00 and it is supposed bring you up to date from the beginning.

This week's episode is supposed to be about Mr. Eko finding that Charlie has a statue of Virgin Mary that he found in the Nigerian drug plane. Those who have kept up will kow that it has heroine hidden inside. Charlie hasn't opened it yet, so it might just be a situation where Charlie is fighting with temptation, but we could find that he has opened it and is back on heroine.

Another question this raises is if we will find any new information regarding Mr. Eko since he seems to know about the drug plane. Of course, we might see him wander across the plane before he confronts Charlie. We should also remember that Locke knows the statues have drugs and knows that Charlie has the statue but has yet to say a word. What angle is he playing?


Finally, I got the Season 1 DVDs from my wife for Christmas, even though they had been promised to me when they came out in August. After rewatching the Pilot and watching the bonus features I realized an answer to a very important question: has Hurley (Jorge Garcia) lost any weight? Yes he has. He looks to definitely lost some weight. He's still fat though, but maybe this show will be beneficial for him in real life. But even watching the pilot episode and the season finale I could notice a difference.

I bet they have him with a dietician and everything. Not to mention the workout he must get just doing stuff for the show, like tramping through the jungle for 15-20 takes per scene. From what I've seen in the bonus features they all get a good workout.

So, the next person to ask why the fat guy hasn't lost weight should be made aware that he has but it has been gradual and healthy, unlike a castaway would have, and isn't easily noticed. While it isn't realistic weight loss for teh situation the writers and producers have said that this is TV and not a $20 million paycheck, so you can't expect these people to starve themselves like Tom Hanks did. That kind of expectation is above their pay grade.

I will update again Thursday or Friday, but it mnay be late duye to medical issues with my wife's family. We are kind of performing a death vigil right now and I might be delayed due to a funeral. I will watch the show when I can and then give my write up at the earliest chance I get.
 
Can't wait to see this episode!

It's been a month since any new Lost was shown, i'm gonna have to watch back through the last one to remember what's been going on. If my memory serves me right, it was Kate's episode last with the horse and stuff?

Either way, it's good to know it's started back up again :)
 
Small note: spellcheck doesn't work on my work PC because it needs a download and install, which is blocked, so I typed thsi in Word to spell check. All teh's should be gone. I am bad about that.

donbenni
Can't wait to see this episode!

It's been a month since any new Lost was shown, i'm gonna have to watch back through the last one to remember what's been going on. If my memory serves me right, it was Kate's episode last with the horse and stuff?
Yes, the last episode was "What Kate Did." It was Kate seeing the horse and Sawyer speaking crazy while in his sickly state. I'm psyched that it is back. It is about time.

You can get caught up because they aired "Lost: Revelations" in the hour before the episode last night.

I think I figured out where the Island is. It is Skull Island from King Kong. Both are in the south Pacific, both are uncharted, both have magnetic disturbances that mess up compasses, and both have monsters that tear the crap out of trees. :sly: If Jack Black pops up I will die laughing.

(SPOILERS FROM HERE)

If my count is correct this is episode 2x10, "The 23rd Psalm."

This episode is very Ekocentric. <- I like that. :)

We see Eko and Claire talking and Claire introduces herself and her baby Aaron. Eko goes on about how Aaron was the brother of Moses and very important because he had to speak for Moses since Moses could not speak well. All this religious talk reminds Claire of Charlie and his Mary statue, which she mentions to Eko.

Eko has an immediate reaction to the idea of a Mary statue and asks her to see it. As soon as he sees the statue he breaks it open with his stick, revealing the heroin. Claire's reaction is not good at all.

We are left wondering about how Eko knew about the heroin in the statues. I had long been suspecting that he had survived the crash of the drug plane and happened to be on the beach when our Losties crashed in the tail section. In his flashbacks we learn differently.

We learn that when he was a teenager men with guns had come to his town and wanted his younger brother to shoot the local priest. His brother couldn't do it and so Eko runs up, grabs the gun, and shoots the priest in order to save his brother. The men take him away to join their group because he showed signs of a natural born killer.

Later in life Eko has begun pretty much leading his gang and is getting into the drug trade. He comes into some heroin and needs to find a way to get it out of the country. He returns to his hometown, where his younger brother is now the priest. He tells his brother that he needs him to use his church contacts to help him get the drugs out of the country, but his brother refuses. Eko attempts to convince him by saying he would use the money to buy polio vaccine, but to no avail.

Later, Eko returns and tells his brother that his gang will burn the church down if he doesn't at least sign the papers so they can get the drugs out of the country. It is then that Eko choose to hide it in the Mary statues the church was selling as a fundraiser.

When loading the plane up at the airport Eko's brother arrives and finds Eko's entire gang dressed as priests. Eko's brother tries one last time to stop him as the military comes into the airport in trucks. Eko's brother had called the authorities, but not given them names. Eko has a last chance to stop, but does not.

Eko's gang gets into a gun fight with the military where only Eko and one other man survive. Eko's brother is caught in the crossfire and Eko loads him on the plane in hopes of saving him. Eko's partner then pushes Eko back to the ground and locks the door.

The plane successfully takes off and Eko is left behind. When the military gets close they mistake him for a legitimate priest, a role we assume he takes on for the rest of his life.

Back on the island Eko approaches Charlie and tells him to show him where he got the statue from. Charlie's first reaction is to try and head off Claire, but it is too late. Claire is furious and Eko is still waiting.

Charlie takes Eko out in a roundabout way and tries lying to him repeatedly but Eko calls him on his lie and tells him to take him to the PLANE. Charlie realizes Eko knows more than he is letting on and begins to honestly try and show him the plane. Unfortunately Charlie begins to get lost.

Along the way Eko notices a trail of black smoke float by and instead of telling Charlie he just asks him to keep going. Charlie can't remember where to go because he was following Sayid, so Eko tells him to climb a tree to look. Eko appears to be getting anxious and keeps hurrying Charlie up into the tree.

Suddenly the trees start exploding in monster fashion and Charlie yells at Eko to run, but he stands his ground. We finally see the monster and it looks like a wisp of thick black smoke. As the camera pans around we see flashes of light within it, but upon slowing down the video I discovered they were pictures from Eko's flashbacks. This site here has them. Check out post 031.

After Eko stares it down for a few minutes the monster turns and leaves and Charlie climbs down from the tree. Charlie asks Eko why he didn't run because most people do that when a giant, tree throwing cloud of smoke comes straight at them. Eko just informs him that most people are afraid but he was not afraid. --- OK.

Charlie begins heading them toward the plane again and as they get close Eko spots a parachute in a tree. He runs to it and finds a body in priest clothing with a gold tooth, the man that shoved him out of the plane. He explains to Charlie that this man saved his life. Whether he means physically and we have yet to see it or spiritually by pushing him out of the plane, I don't know.

Charlie finishes guiding him to the plane where Eko enters it and finds his brother's body. He takes the crucifix from the body and then hugs the half-rotted corpse. He explains to Charlie who he was and then breaks one of the fuel lines to pour fuel on the body and light it on fire.

While they watch the fire Eko gives Charlie another Mary statue and says it is for the one he broke. Whether he trusts Charlie after their journey or doesn't care if he does drugs, I am not sure. Charlie then asks Eko if he is a priest or not and Eko says he is and puts the crucifix on his own neck and begins to quote the 23rd Psalm, Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death...." and Charlie joins him. Perhaps his religion is why Eko is not afraid?

Finally we see Charlie get back to the beach where Claire has a couple of bags and his guitar case stacked up. She tells him that she can't trust him and doesn't want him to be anywhere near her baby. Charlie, not knowing what to say, just takes his things and moves on.

As the story closes we see Charlie at night in the woods uncovering a hiding place and placing his newest Mary statue in with a large number of others. Charlie, it seems, is hording heroin. He has at least five or six statues, each holding three bags of heroin. He is rich in druggie terms.

On the side: We see Michael watching the guns in the bunker and then trying to communicate with "Walt" on the computer again. Next week's synopsis says that he goes trying to find Walt. The last things we see the screen say from "Walt" is, "You need to come--" and then it cuts off because Jack walks in. Michael sees the rest but we don't.

We also see Sawyer getting a haircut from Kate as she tries to explain to him that everyone like him now. This is verified as Hurley walks by and says "Hey" and something about how it's good to see him better. Sawyer gives us a great Sawyerism with, "Hey to yourself, Pillsbury." Michael also walks up and gives a very uncomfortable greeting while mumbling something about how he is glad he made it through okay.

Finally, we close on Libby, from the tailies, trying to make a shelter and having trouble by herself, but Hurley happens by and gives her a hand. Then we also see Ana-Lucia with her own private fire, still outcasting herself, but Sun and Jin come by and Jin introduces Sun and then gives Ana-Lucia a fish wrapped in a leaf. She smiles for the first time I can remember since she has been on the island.

Funny scene: When Eko approaches Charlie we find Charlie watching Jin fishing and Charlie is singing a Kinks song. Charlie asks Jin if he ever listened to the Kinks and Jin doesn't understand. When Charlie starts singing Jin makes a motion with his hand that obviously mean, "go away," but Charlie just says, "Why yes, Jin, I do have a wonderful singing voice. Thank you."


Questions raised by this episode:

  • 1) What is the monster?
  • 1a) Is the smoke the monster or part of it?
  • 1b) Is the monster actually a big invisible guy smoking a big cigar and we can only see the smoke?
  • 2) How is the monster creating images from Eko's past?
  • 2a) Can the monster read minds?
  • 3) Is the monster only attacking those who have not reached a balance in their lives?
  • 4) Is the monster only attacking those that fear it, so it makes noise and uproots trees to scare them?
  • 5) Is Charlie clean or is he using already?
  • 6) Is Eko's criminal past behind him?
  • 7) Why are so many of our Losties criminals?
  • 8) Is Walt actually talking on the computer?
  • 8a) If not, then who?
  • 8b) Could it be a trap from the Others or just someone else?
  • 9) WTF is going on?
I think that the monster is either a nano-bot cloud or a controlled hallucinogenic effect caused by something on the island, which is why we don't see uprooted trees everywhere. It reads the memories of the losties and can take forms, but those at peace have no troubled memories. This would explain Jack seeing his dad, Sawyer seeing the boar, and Kate seeing the horse. Possibly it explains Sayid and Shannon seeing Walt, because it took on the form of Walt for Shannon while Sayid was there. This could also explain the polar bear and Walt.

Perhaps Locke's troubling memories are his father and he gets that time back that he lost, which is why the island is beautiful for him. He gets to relive his happiest memories despite being caused by his most troubling.

Either way I cannot think of any technology that would create what we saw on the show. This had better be explained well.

Feel free to elaborate and ask questions.
 
I finally got around to watching episode 10 today. What can I say, I'm glad that Lost is back!

I was expecting a more spectacular episode, though. Don't get me wrong, it was very very good, but I didn't get the LOST-rush I thought I'd have after such a long break.

What got me the most was the encouter with the "black cloud". Apart from that it was a very normal episode. The heroine mystery was a good one, but its just another indication that the people on the island are there for a reason (we've had a few of those before).

FoolKiller brings up lot of interesting questions. I think there are two ways you can go on the mysteries that the island brings. There will either be a rational and scientific explanation or it can all be alien or supernatural. I'm hoping the latter! There have been a lot of unexpected twists and build-ups in the scenario so far, so it would deffinitly be great to watch what the writers would do with such a story line.
 
Apclps
I finally got around to watching episode 10 today. What can I say, I'm glad that Lost is back!

I was expecting a more spectacular episode, though. Don't get me wrong, it was very very good, but I didn't get the LOST-rush I thought I'd have after such a long break.

What got me the most was the encouter with the "black cloud". Apart from that it was a very normal episode. The heroine mystery was a good one, but its just another indication that the people on the island are there for a reason (we've had a few of those before).
Part of the problem here was that up until this point we had been dealing with the tail survivors and the raft guys getting back. The hatch was finished in a few episodes and since we have only touched on its mystery. The pace and style of the show has been different than all of Season 1. This past show was the first that had the same style of all the Season 1. It kind of threw me off because I had gotten used to the different style, even if I didn't like it as much.

That of course is why I liked this episode so much is that it was the old Lost that I had missed so much. It was an episode that properly surrounded one character's flashbacks and shaped their actions within the group and on the island without us being distracted by a second group of characters that we were following. It led us down the Eko storyline while still feeding us the main story of the hatch and the missing Walt.

Of course, by giving us a view of sorts of the monster the writers have shown us much more than we have ever been given. Now the determination will be on how this plays out and what we find it to be. With Eko and Charlie having seen it and neither of them being as secretive as Locke it may lead to a different reaction by all the characters. Then again, telling anyone about meeting the monster will lead to questions about being near the drug plane and neither Eko or Charlie wish to tell that story.

FoolKiller brings up lot of interesting questions. I think there are two ways you can go on the mysteries that the island brings. There will either be a rational and scientific explanation or it can all be alien or supernatural. I'm hoping the latter! There have been a lot of unexpected twists and build-ups in the scenario so far, so it would deffinitly be great to watch what the writers would do with such a story line.
Well, all last season the writers have claimed that all explanations will be based in science or "pseudo-science." The term pseudo-science gives a lot of wiggle room in pushing teh boundaries of science. I am hoping that it means theoretical science so that they can take ideas contemplated but never proven and make them a source, especially with all the experiments that went on there.

If they take a sci-fi route then it may get crazy and unbelievable, which would be sad because part of Lost has always been that everything that has happened is a possible fear that could come up when stranded on an island. You would fear an unseen creature trying to eat you, or wild animals chasing you, or part of your group becoming insane and sociopathic. At the same time you would hope that your husband or the pretty woman you met at the bar survived also. You would want to find a good shelter with power and water. You would want others to be on the island who could help you. You would be afraid that those others might not be so helpful, you would fear someone taking your child. Nothing has been beyond the normal imagination of the common human.



All that said, I have been watching the Season 1 DVDs and am through episode 9 (yes, in one weekend) and in the episode where Sayid meets Danielle Rousseau she talks about her team becoming sick and The Others being the carriers. Her exact words were, "We were coming back from The Black Rock and it was The Others, they were the carriers." Now, when this show initially aired it meant nothing. We did not know who The Others were or if they existed and by the time we had an idea we were all caught up with Ethan.

Aside from Ethan and Goodwin we have had no long-term exposure to The Others and we only know that Goodwin was an Other for sure. We still don't know about Ethan. Also, don't forget that Desmond, in the hatch, was taking injections. He even took them with him when he ran. He also expected everyone to be sick. Desmond's story seems kind of weak to me and I don't believe it. Apparently someone was there when he arrived and then died, but there is no body even though he was afraid of the outside. I think he knows more than he is letting on.

All of that said, this upcoming episode's trailer appears to have an encounter with The Others. There was a scene where a circle of torches lights up and you hear a voice say, "This is our island." Could we be getting into some disease infections soon? Are we looking at a mass exposure of multiple carriers?

Another thought on this could be that The Others are taking people who can survive the disease. It would explain why when Ethan was trying to kidnap Claire she thought someone was trying to stick a needle in her stomach. He was testing her or her baby. Goodwin said that they were taking good people. Maybe he didn't mean in a good vs evil way but in a good for their experiments/survival way?

Oh so many questions.
 
FoolKiller
Oh so many questions.
You forgot a question.

WTF is going on??? :)

Hello, my name is TB and I'm addicted to LOST.

I'm not sure why I haven't been in here sooner, but so be it. I've been hooked since episode 1 and got my wife watching when they re-ran episodes 1 & 2 back to back. We have had more than a few discussions about the show and may have come up with a thought about why Locke can walk now.

Again, this is just a theory. Then again, isn't everything with this show???

You know how you can wear magnetic bracelets, necklaces, etc. to supposedly help with arthritis? We were wondering if a more extreme version of that happend to him (since we already know that there is a rather large magnet in the hatch).

Also, the video they watched about the Dharma project said something (I think) about animal testing, or something to that effect. Another possible explanation, and much more plausible, than "Walt can make them appear"?

I'm not really answering questions so much as bringing up more. :guilty:

Short of them dumping the entire cast, my wife and I are going to be watching LOST until it's over. It is reassuring to know that they are going to cop out and have it all be a dream that Charley is having after a long night of Sex, Drugs and R&R.

Keep up the excellent work, FoolKiller. You have another devoted reader of you recaps. :)👍
 
TB
You forgot a question.

WTF is going on??? :)
Question 9 on my episode recap in post #69.

We have had more than a few discussions about the show and may have come up with a thought about why Locke can walk now.

Again, this is just a theory. Then again, isn't everything with this show???

You know how you can wear magnetic bracelets, necklaces, etc. to supposedly help with arthritis? We were wondering if a more extreme version of that happend to him (since we already know that there is a rather large magnet in the hatch).
This is a definite possibility, however I am not even attempting a guess until they show me how Locke became paralyzed.

BTW, it isn't a magnet but a magnetic field created by the geothermal generator. Sayid said that he believed it was a geothermal generator and one of the side effects of a geothermal generator is a strong magnetic field. Most forms of electrical generators create this because they essentially become electro-magnets. It is much like wrapping a live wire around a nail and making a magnet.

Also, the video they watched about the Dharma project said something (I think) about animal testing, or something to that effect. Another possible explanation, and much more plausible, than "Walt can make them appear"?
Yes, this is something that I have not pushed aside, but Walt also had the bird he was talking about hit the window in Australia, he kept rolling the exact roll he needed in his Backgammon game against Hurley, and he wanted his dad to go looking for Vincent and Michael said he would as soon as it stopped raining, it immediately stopped. He might not be creating them but he may be drawing them. Things seem to move to his will.

EDIT: Or throwing the knife perfectly after Locke told him to picture it in his mind.

I'm not really answering questions so much as bringing up more. :guilty:

Short of them dumping the entire cast, my wife and I are going to be watching LOST until it's over. It is reassuring to know that they are going to cop out and have it all be a dream that Charley is having after a long night of Sex, Drugs and R&R.
You have fallen into the paradox that many Lost fans are in. You answer one question with a theory and it only creates more.

Keep up the excellent work, FoolKiller. You have another devoted reader of you recaps. :)👍
Thanks. I plan to keep this going.

By the way, if anyone doesn't have the Lost Season 1 DVDs I recommend it because I am rewatching and finding that with new knowledge I am looking for new clues, such as the "The Others, they were the carriers," quote I posted earlier. I am only on Ep. 9 in my rewatch but plan to watch more.


A question for anyone who has the DVDs or just season 1 recorded. Watch the pilot during the crash sequence and do a slow motion/freeze frame of the engine exploding just after a guy gets sucked into it. Something black swoops up and then swoops down to hit the engine exactly as it explodes and then shoots out of the top of the screen. I think it is a chunk of debris flying around, but it seems to move in an intelligent manner. I would love any other opinions on this.

If it isn't debris it could be a clue that the "monster" crashed the plane. Just a thought.
 
FoolKiller
BTW, it isn't a magnet but a magnetic field created by the geothermal generator. Sayid said that he believed it was a geothermal generator and one of the side effects of a geothermal generator is a strong magnetic field. Most forms of electrical generators create this because they essentially become electro-magnets. It is much like wrapping a live wire around a nail and making a magnet.
I know more than I care to about electricity. I am surrounded by a few Electrical Engineers here at work. I guess I was just trying to keep it simple. :guilty:
 
FoolKiller
Glad to help you out.

By NZ I am assuming you mean New Zealand. Living closer to the geography is there any urban legend or something along those lines about a strange island in that region? Perhaps a Bermuda Triangle type place? I'm curiou because the creators have made it out to appear that the island ("if it is an island") is something we should know about already, we just don't realize it. The best I can figure they would be somewhere between Samoa and Tahiti, assuming the pilot had their location worked out appropriately.
Yeap, New Zealand. I'm of European descent so have no major knowledge regarding Pacific myths/legends. If there was a Bermuda Triangle down here, I&#8217;m sure you would&#8217;ve heard about it ;).

Cheers, for another brilliant summary, the &#8220;thing&#8221; screen caps are certainly interesting. I haven&#8217;t felt compelled to go and Bit Torrent the episodes, as I&#8217;d rather experience them on TV. Yes, complete with knowing major plot spoilers! However, I&#8217;d done the same in the first season and was still surprised at every twist and turn!

Last Wednesday the &#8220;Lost: The Journey&#8221; episode screened, I happened to turn the TV on as the pilot was snatched from the cockpit, the episode had started 15 minutes earlier than usual, damn unpredictable screening times! I still can&#8217;t properly remember the initial pilot episode and I&#8217;m seriously contemplating getting the DVD. Within the recap Rousseau mentioned about her crew getting sick, this raised my eyebrows just as yours did too.

TVNZ usually does its own Teletext captioning and made a goof in the episode &#8220;Deus Ex Machina&#8221;. When Boone is in the Beechcraft and is making radio contact. The captioning read, &#8220;No, there were no survivors of (Oceanic) Flight 815&#8221;, however as we know from the DVD subtitles and season 2 it should really be &#8220;No, we're the survivors of flight 815&#8221;, or along those lines.

As you mentioned about Jorge Garcia, I thought I&#8217;d bring this up. At Boone&#8217;s funeral his bushy sideburns are absent. I may not be entirely correct, as I wasn&#8217;t properly paying attention but probably a timeline/production/shooting goof. Although we do know there are razors on the island as we&#8217;ve seen Jack taking a shave at the caves, I&#8217;m not so sure he tamed his&#8230;

I was reading through the &#8220;Born to Run&#8221; recap at the TVNZ website (state owned broadcaster with two free to air channels), which airs tonight (2am at the moment) and noticed a few of Walt&#8217;s lines. He tells Locke not to open that &#8220;thing&#8221; (the hatch), and when he confesses to burning the raft Michael says they don&#8217;t have to leave the island if they don&#8217;t want to, to which Walt replies, &#8220;yes we do&#8221;. So what&#8217;s Walt on about?

When Locke revealed to Sayid that he knocked him unconscious when he was trying to triangulate the signal it makes you wonder beyond the hatch, what is Locke hiding? As I&#8217;ve not seen passed season one I do know that Desmond is in the hatch and ran off, where did he go to? Don&#8217;t you think with the hatch excavation he would&#8217;ve made contact earlier by hearing noises maybe? Especially the trebuchet&#8230;yes Locke witnessed the hatch &#8220;light up&#8221;, but I find it rather random that he didn&#8217;t make contact or similar. As I&#8217;ve also read there is storage of food in the hatch. So for however long Desmond was down there, had he been living of that food store, and was there enough of it to sustain him for the duration of his stay? Did the Dharma group replenish his supplies? I&#8217;m mystified.

Lastly, when Locke is dragged down with the &#8220;thing&#8221;, I originally thought the wisp of smoke and the way it moved was poor CGI, anyway as far as Lost is concerned, it&#8217;s still full of mystery!
 
ALPHA
Don’t you think with the hatch excavation he would’ve made contact earlier by hearing noises maybe? Especially the trebuchet…yes Locke witnessed the hatch “light up”, but I find it rather random that he didn’t make contact or similar.

If Desmond thought that something went wrong and he was under quarantine from the outside world and then something was trying to get in to your containment area, I'm pretty damn sure I'm not going to help them. ;) Him turning on the light might have been a method to try to scare them away.
 
TB
If Desmond thought that something went wrong and he was under quarantine from the outside world and then something was trying to get in to your containment area, I'm pretty damn sure I'm not going to help them. ;) Him turning on the light might have been a method to try to scare them away.
That's kind of where my vaguely worded paragraph was heading. ;) Wouldn't you try to make contact to prevent them from entering you quarantine zone?
 
TB
I know more than I care to about electricity. I am surrounded by a few Electrical Engineers here at work. I guess I was just trying to keep it simple. :guilty:
Oh, OK. I didn't mean to come off as a know-it-all, but I am used to the ABC Lost forums and I have to spell things out and even needed cartoonish diagrams to explain the magnetic field created by the generator. They were all determined that there was some sort of mystical giant magnet and that is what brought the plane down.

So, if it is a geothermal generator, as Sayid assumes, it would explain the magnetic anomalies, including the compass not working properly. This explanation felt good to me since it explained a lot and was a real-world explanation. However, like many things on this show, I have not taken it to be fact since Sayid could not break through the concrete to see for sure. It does seem to be the most likely explanation.

ALPHA
Yeap, New Zealand. I'm of European descent so have no major knowledge regarding Pacific myths/legends. If there was a Bermuda Triangle down here, I&#8217;m sure you would&#8217;ve heard about it .
Until now I've had little knowledge of the region. I couldn't have pointed at any tropical Pacific Island exactly except for Hawaii. If someone asked where Samoa or Tahiti was I would have drawn a big circle over the area and said, "Somewhere in there." Now I am tracking traditional flight routes from Syndey to LA and trying to figure exactly where six hours in would be, but it varies due to windspeeds and plane type. On top of that, if the radio was out the pilot could not varify his position with ground radar and may not have any clue where they were.

Cheers, for another brilliant summary, the &#8220;thing&#8221; screen caps are certainly interesting. I haven&#8217;t felt compelled to go and Bit Torrent the episodes, as I&#8217;d rather experience them on TV. Yes, complete with knowing major plot spoilers! However, I&#8217;d done the same in the first season and was still surprised at every twist and turn!
I agree with you about spoilers not ruining it for you. I have found a couple of reliable sources at the ABC forums that give an almost scene for scene spoiler and I still find myself shocked and surprised by some of the things that happen.

TVNZ usually does its own Teletext captioning and made a goof in the episode &#8220;Deus Ex Machina&#8221;. When Boone is in the Beechcraft and is making radio contact. The captioning read, &#8220;No, there were no survivors of (Oceanic) Flight 815&#8221;, however as we know from the DVD subtitles and season 2 it should really be &#8220;No, we're the survivors of flight 815&#8221;, or along those lines.
Now you are really paying attention. In the original airing it did say, "There were no survivors of Flight 815." But then between that and the next trailer it changed to "We're the survivors of Flight 815." Is this a clue? A production error? Perhaps a storyline change? People have debated on multiple forums what was actually said in that episode. Some, after hearing the trailer were determined that it was teh same and it did say "we're" while others swear it changed.

When asked if it changed on purpose Damon Lindelof kind of smiled and said that it wasn't supposed to be completely clear at all. If anyone thinks they know definitely what was said then they are mistaken.

This leads me to believe it was supposed to just be garbled and captionining was doing what it does, filling in what can't be understood as well as possible. It is either that or they had an incomplete storyline when the episode was filmed and had the idea worked out by the end of production, but too late for any changes before airing.

There is also the theory of a timeline issue and that it is possible for both to have been said and we will discover the timeline has a tear later on. Perhaps that explains Walt talking backwards and the "monster" not appearing solid, or maybe the fans (that's us) are thinking too hard.

As you mentioned about Jorge Garcia, I thought I&#8217;d bring this up. At Boone&#8217;s funeral his bushy sideburns are absent. I may not be entirely correct, as I wasn&#8217;t properly paying attention but probably a timeline/production/shooting goof. Although we do know there are razors on the island as we&#8217;ve seen Jack taking a shave at the caves, I&#8217;m not so sure he tamed his&#8230;
Maybe this goes back to the timeline theory I just mentioned above. It was done on purpose to hint that there is a timeline rift. Or it is a case of a TV show on a TV budget that requires movie-style consistency. Heck, it could have been a reshoot after they were supposed to be on vacation and Jorge had shaved them off.

I was reading through the &#8220;Born to Run&#8221; recap at the TVNZ website (state owned broadcaster with two free to air channels), which airs tonight (2am at the moment) and noticed a few of Walt&#8217;s lines. He tells Locke not to open that &#8220;thing&#8221; (the hatch), and when he confesses to burning the raft Michael says they don&#8217;t have to leave the island if they don&#8217;t want to, to which Walt replies, &#8220;yes we do&#8221;. So what&#8217;s Walt on about?
Walt didn't want to leave because he was given attention and he was getting close to his dad, but back in a normal life they would have a normal father/son relationship, which he felt he was just handed off to a nanny and ignored. Important to the Michael/Walt relationship because he feels closer to Michael in a month than he did his mother and stepfather after 10 years.

That all changed after he touches Locke's arm and suddenly knows what Locke is doing with the hatch. He tells Locke not to open it. Perhaps he knows about or sensed whatever the dead-man switch is connected to and it scares him. Perhaps he realizes that they will all become prisoner to the dead-man switch. Maybe he sees something that we haven't yet. Whatever it was it made him decide that it wasn't safe to stay on the island.

When Locke revealed to Sayid that he knocked him unconscious when he was trying to triangulate the signal it makes you wonder beyond the hatch, what is Locke hiding?
Locke was paralyzed from the waist down late in life. Now he has that mobility back. I had a medical issue that caused me to temporarily lose use of my left arm that took a summer of rehab to regain. My biggest fear is having that happen again. If it had been permanent and I regained that in a miraculous event that I associated with a place I guarantee you I would not want to leave.

The island has granted him the ability to become what he wanted to be and live life the way he wanted to live it. He is not going to give that up. On the island he has become what he has known in his heart that he should be. He may be a little insane but he does not want to go back in the wheelchair for the rest of his life after he has become everything he hoped to be.

As I&#8217;ve not seen passed season one I do know that Desmond is in the hatch and ran off, where did he go to? Don&#8217;t you think with the hatch excavation he would&#8217;ve made contact earlier by hearing noises maybe? Especially the trebuchet&#8230;yes Locke witnessed the hatch &#8220;light up&#8221;, but I find it rather random that he didn&#8217;t make contact or similar. As I&#8217;ve also read there is storage of food in the hatch. So for however long Desmond was down there, had he been living of that food store, and was there enough of it to sustain him for the duration of his stay? Did the Dharma group replenish his supplies? I&#8217;m mystified.
If Desmond, as he claims, believed that there was a disease then I wouldn't open the hatch for anything, as TB said. If Desmond knows more than he is letting on then I would fear the "monster" or The Others or things we have yet to see trying to get in. But it does raise the question, with the window in the hatch why didn't he just take a peak with his telesope and mirror setup? Another reason why I doubt his story.

Yes, he had food in the hatch. If we believe Desmond and the orientation film, the hatch was supposed to support two men for many (two? I forget) years at a time and the hatch was to be restocked when replacements came, which never happened. According to Desmond there was only one man there when he arrived and that man talked Desmond into helping him. After that the man died leaving Desmond alone. So, the food was supposed to supply two men but there was only one man for the majority of the time. It probably lasted much longer than it was needed for. The hatch also had running water and electricty. My mom has frozen steaks that are years old.

Lastly, when Locke is dragged down with the &#8220;thing&#8221;, I originally thought the wisp of smoke and the way it moved was poor CGI, anyway as far as Lost is concerned, it&#8217;s still full of mystery!
When Locke was attacked by the "monster" the creators claimed we would see about 5% of the "monster." I assumed the "smoke" was just a visual effect caused by the "monster" and that it was something more solid that we couldn't see. Now I see that we just saw some "smoke" of something that is a lot of "smoke," unless there is more to see. I hope to see Eko explore more into the "monster's" territory. Perhaps we will find its origin.


I hope I answered everything. I am going to check the ABC boards and some other spoiler info and report back later today, if I find anything.
 
There's no reason to believe now that what Charlie and Eko saw wasn't still 5% of the 'monster'.

Saw this episode finally on Monday night. It was good. I agree it's definitely nice to have a 'classic' Lost style flashback episode. Bit surprised at Eko's past, didn't see that coming. Love how the writers got another link onto the Island with the drug plane being Eko's idea and containing his brother etc.

Got a question:

When we saw the episode of the passengers from the rear of 815, Eko was silent for days/weeks. Was this because he killed that Other and because he had spent so long as a Priest (post drug plane incident) and it was so long since he had killed someone that he was dragged back to the memories of his past?
 
donbenni
There's no reason to believe now that what Charlie and Eko saw wasn't still 5% of the 'monster'
Good point. I think I have been trying to look too closely to see a possible bigger picture. There may be a large underground part that would explain dragging Locke into the hole and how it rips the trees up.

Another question I have about the "monster" is what did it do the first time it met Locke? Did it behave how it did with Eko or did it drag him away the first time too and that is how Locke knew he would be safe and was telling Jack to let him go?

Got a question:

When we saw the episode of the passengers from the rear of 815, Eko was silent for days/weeks. Was this because he killed that Other and because he had spent so long as a Priest (post drug plane incident) and it was so long since he had killed someone that he was dragged back to the memories of his past?
I am not sure what the 40 days of silence was about exactly. I believe that it had something to do with his being a priest and retribution for killing another human.

I figure that by becoming a priest after his brother died that he turned his life around and truly became a strong Christian. It may have just been what he felt he needed to do to find forgiveness for murder.

I figure we will need many more flashbacks to fully understand Eko. I am sure he did enough bad things in the past to give us many moments of redemption in the future.

I am hoping that the silence was not related to the killings because if The Others become a problem, as the trailer appears to hint, then he may have multiple opportunities of silence.

I am going to try and look up the verses carved into his "Jesus Stick," as Charlie calls it, and see if there might be a clue. I'll let you know once I get a chance to do that.
 
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Another question I have about the "monster" is what did it do the first time it met Locke? Did it behave how it did with Eko or did it drag him away the first time too and that is how Locke knew he would be safe and was telling Jack to let him go?

The same question entered my mind after watching the episode. I'm assuming that he had a similar experience to Eko. Wonder what it was that Locke saw in the 'smoke'.

r.e. Eko and 40 days of redemption: Yeah that sounds about right.

The thing that bugs me most about Lost is that i don't think Charlie and Eko will get around to telling the rest of the group they saw anything for weeks now. They seem to drag that sort of thing out for as long as they can, gets on my tits a bit!
 
donbenni
The thing that bugs me most about Lost is that i don't think Charlie and Eko will get around to telling the rest of the group they saw anything for weeks now. They seem to drag that sort of thing out for as long as they can, gets on my tits a bit!
I doubt they ever mention it because it will bring up a lot of questions about the drugs that will be hard for either one to answer.


OK, I checked out the "Jesus Stick." You can see the screen capture right here. Click on it to make it bigger.

Here is what I made out:
They are hyperlinked so you can read them and give me your opinions.
  • Revelation 3 - Letters to the three churches. Sums up all human behavior and how it must change to be holy.
  • Titus 3 - Be subject to rulers and authority and be obedient. Everyone is foolish and we are to avoid foolish arguments and controversies because they are useless. Warn a divisive person once, then twice and then have nothing to do with him. Could be why he let Ana-Lucia lead, but then disobeyed her after she got crazy with Sayid.
  • Colossians - Rules for living holy.
  • 23rd Psalms - Lord is my shepherd.
  • Psalms 144 - War prayer, praising lord for preparing his hands for battle and war and asking him to scatter his enemies.
There is more but I can't make them out because they go over the edge. There was also a T:4 under the Colossians. I don't know what that is.

Anyway, it seems to me that these are all How to live a holy life type verses and verses that contain prayers of protection and help. It is almost as if it would be a constant reminder to himself how he should act on the island and prayers to protect himself and the other Losties. Maybe the situation presents itself in a way that he could easily turn back into his former (pre-priest) self?

I like the 144th Psalms on his weapon, very symbolic.
 
Another new episode last night. Once again it was very enjoyable.

Here we go (SPOILERS FROM HERE)

Episode 11: "The Hunting Party"
This is a Jack episode.

FLASHBACK:

In the flashback we see Jack at the hospital before his father, Christian, was stripped of his medical license for performing surgery while under the influence. Jack and his father are looking at x-rays and discussing what they mean in whispers. His patient, an older Italian gentleman, sits at a conference table with his daughter, Gabriella.

The patient, with Gabriella translating, tells them they can talk aloud because he is not stupid and he knows what his chances are. Christian begins to tell them that the tumor is too close to the spine and the surgery is too risky. He won't do it. The patient bluntly explains that they did not come for Christian, rather they came for Jack. They have heard about how Jack saved Sarah, now his wife, and it was a miracle. They are hoping for the same miracle. Jack agrees with his usual never say never attitude and says that he will want to perform tests.

Later we see Jack looking over the patient in the hospital room when Gabriella walks in and says they have been doing tests for a month. Jack explains that he is thorough. Gabriella then explains that they know the risks, while using Jack's first name, a clue that they are becoming closer than a doctor/patient professional relationship. She says that she knows about how his wife must think he is a miracle worker, and when Jack looks up she says that she is thorough as well. Apparently Jack marrying his patient was not supposed to be public knowledge.

Gabriella says that she must be a great wife to not worry when he stays at the hospital until 4:30 in the morning. Jack looking at his watch quickly leaves for home where Sarah is in bed, but not asleep. When Jack goes to bed she gets up and makes excuses to leave, such as the gym and grading papers. She also explains that her period was late and so she took a pregnancy test, but it was negative. Jack's reaction says that they wanted a child.

Next we see Jack and Gabriella in a conference room and she is signing waiver forms. As their conversation ends Christian comes in and Jack and Gabriella look uncomfortable with the intrusion. After Gabriella leaves Christian explains to Jack that there is a line and he is about to cross it, and he isn't the type of man who can cross it. Jack throws a parting blow by asking if that is from personal experience.

In the final scene we see Jack in surgical scrubs very angry and yelling that he had it, that he had gotten all of the tumor out, he was almost finished. Christian attempts to console Jack by telling him that he was an old man who had been on the operating table for 7 1/2 hours and his heart just gave out. It happens.

Jack then thinks about needing to tell Gabriella and Christian says that he already told her and she has left. Jack looks upset by this. As Jack is leaving the hospital and getting in his car Gabriella approaches him in tears. Jack hugs her and consoles her and they end up kissing. Jack quickly backs away and leaves saying that he can't do this.

When Jack gets home he finds Sarah cleaning up dinner dishes and she explains that her mom had been over. Jack helps her clean up while he tells her what happened. Sarah's immediate question is, "How did the daughter take it? Gabriella was it?" Jack is completely honest about the kiss and says that he realizes this is a sign of their marriage and that he will work less and do whatever it takes to save their marriage. Sarah tells Jack that she is leaving him, her mother had been there to help her pack, she had been seeing someone else. As she walks away Sarah says that he will always need something to fix. The reason she married him is why she leaves him.

Jack should have called Gabriella so they could console each other.

ON THE ISLAND:

Jack goes into the hatch only to find Locke is unconscious in the gun safe. While checking on Locke Michael comes up behind him and points a gun at him saying that he is going to go find Walt. Jack calls his bluff by saying that he isn't going to shoot him. Michael says he's right but he will shoot the computer. Michael then orders Jack into the safe and locks him in.

Jack gets Locke to come to and checks him for a concussion. They immediately begin trying to find a way out but can't. Locke has been thorough in making sure no one could get into the gun case without reason. He has even sealed off the air vent.

Before long Sawyer and Kate come into the hatch because Sawyer needs to change the bandage on his arm. They hear Locke and Jack yelling as well as the alarm on the timer. Kate goes to enter the code while Sawyer gets the combination from Locke and lets them out. As soon as the door is open Jack begins grabbing guns, saying that they are going after Michael. Sawyer volunteers to come along.

As they are leaving Kate asks about a gun and Jack tells her that he wants her to stay behind and watch the button. He has to practically yell at her to get her to stay. Locke quickly finds Michael's trail and they head off.

Jin and Sun and are sitting on the beach watching Kate talking to Hurley and Jin deduces that something is wrong. Sun asks Hurley what is going on and he tells them about Michael. When Sun translates for Jin he quickly begins packing a bag, but Sun refuses to let him go because when he was gone on the raft she was going insane. Jin tries to explain that Michael is his friend, but Sun comes back with, "I am your wife."

As we follow the hunting party we see them following Michael's path but Locke thinks something is suspicious. He asks Sawyer where they came from when they were coming back from the tail section camp and he says he doesn't know. Through questioning about what side the ocean was on Locke deduces they came from the East, but Michaels trail is heading north. Instead of going to wear he came from he is going somewhere else. Michael seems to know where to go to find Walt. Last week he was being given the message on the computer screen which a quick camera cut prevented us from seeing.

Back at the hatch Hurley and Charlie are hanging out and going through the records to find something to listen to. They run across an album by Geronimo Jones, but neither have heard of it. They push it aside and opt for another album. Hurley during all of this expresses an attraction to Libby (psychologist from the tail group) and thinks he has a chance because it is the perfect island scenario. If he ever had a chance it was now. As they are listening to the music and talking Sayid walks in and tells them that the music is depressing. Hurley offers to put something else on and asks if Sayid has heard of Geronimo Jones. He hasn't.

Sayid then asks where everyone is and Charlie says that they went after Michael. When Sayid asks who all went Charlie says, "Everyone, Jack, Sawyer, Locke, and Kate." Kate wasn't supposed to have gone.

We go back to the hunting party and they are walking along at dusk. Sawyer calls Locke Mr. Clean during a conversation. Locke asks Sawyer why he chose that name and Sawyer says that he just needs an earring and a mop. Locke clarifies by saying he meant the name Sawyer because he saw the manifest and his real name is James Ford.

The course of the conversation goes on and Locke asks Jack what he thinks he will accomplish when he finds Michael. Jack says he will get him to come back. Locke asks why he thinks he has the right to tell anyone what they can or can't do. Locke hates being told what he can't do, if we remember.

During the course of this they hear gunshots and go running towards the sound of them. They find a clearing where Locke spots bullet marks on the trees and finds one of Michael's bullet casings on the ground. Locke restarts the argument about just letting Michael do his thing and Jack even accuses Locke of not caring about Michael. Locke defends himself by saying that he wouldn't be running TOWARD gunfire if he didn't care. He just feels that it would be best if they went back and let Michael do what he wants.

Then the conversation is interrupted by a man who says that they should listen to Mr. Locke. A man is approaching and Sawyer quickly identifies him as the man who took Walt and shot him. The man (let's call him Zeke, you'll see why) looks rough and has overalls on. He is unshaven and extremely dirty, looking just as he did on the boat in season 1. Zeke says all of their names and tells them he knows what they are doing but they need to go back home. Sawyer makes a move forward but a gunshot rings out and hits him in the ear. I couldn't tell if it was Zeke who shot Sawyer or if it came from the woods. He has the worst luck with getting shot by these people. Zeke then tells Locke to build a fire because they need to talk.

Zeke explains to them that this is their island and the survivors are only living on it because they are allowing them to. He compares the survivors to an unwelcome guest who takes off his shoes, puts his feet up, eats your food, and opens doors he shouldn't open (this part directed at Locke). He says it is okay, a great man once said, "From the dawn of our species, man has been blessed with curiosity." A statement that sounds familiar and can be found at http://www.thehansofoundation.org/ It is supposedly a quote from a speech given to the UN by Alvar Hanso, the man who funded Dharma. He then quickly reminds them of the other saying about the cat.

Jack asks about Walt and Michael but is told that Walt is safe and Michael will never find them. Finally Jack decides to call his bluff and says that he thinks they are small, otherwise they wouldn't have needed a spy, Ethan. Zeke seems to pause at first and then smiles saying it is an interesting theory. He then yells, "Light them up." Quickly they are surrounded by torches, each being held by someone obscured by foliage.

Zeke informs them that they have reached a line and they shouldn't cross it. Jack's flashback had him not crossing a metaphorical line only to be hurt. Zeke tells them all to lay down their guns and go home. They refuse and so Zeke plays one last card. He yells, "Alex, bring her out." (Danielle's child that The Others took was named Alex.) Someone shoves a bound and gagged Kate into Zeke's arms. Zeke puts a WWII style German Luger (handgun) to Kate's head and tells them it is their guns or her life. They give in, and Zeke shows how much he knows by asking Locke for his other gun as well. As Sawyer sets his gun down he says, "You and I aren't finished, Zeke." (It was something close to that. He calls him Zeke.)

After they have all surrendered their weapons he releases Kate and walks back into the shadows as all the torches go out. The group despondently heads back. On the way Kate is trying to talk to Jack who just tells her it is fine and just keeps going.

It is morning when they return to camp and Kate is still trying to apologize, Jack is still ignoring her. Sawyer tells her to just forget it and they walk off.

Locke goes up to Claire and begins to tickle Aaron's foot and play with him as Charlie looks on from a distance. He seems unhappy.

Jack decides to go and talk to Ana-Lucia. (I have noticed that every woman we have seen in Jack's life, except for his wife, has been a long-haired brunette, including Gabriella.) When he sits down Ana-Lucia asks about Michael and Jack tells her about what happened. He asks her about being a cop and having training in fighting. The show closes when Jack asks her how long it would take to train an army.

Questions:
1) What is it that Zeke and The Others want?
2) If they don't want the survivors on the island, why not help them get home?
3) Was Jack focused on Michael too much to point out #2?
4) Are The Others the remnants or still functioning parts of Dharma?
-4a) Are they just some kind of crazy tribal people trying to get away from society, ala The Village?
-4b) If they are Dharma, it was a group of self-proclaimed peaceniks, what happened?
5) What happened to Michael?
6) Where was Michael trying to go?
7) Did Michael shoot anyone or get shot?
8) Is the "monster" controlled by The Others and they have decided a direct confrontation was now best?
9) WTF is going on!?!?!?!?!?

Ask your own.
 
Nice one again (:

Great questions, but all completely unanswerable!

The only thing i can say is that i guess Michael is ok, and probably ran away. He'll most likely turn up again in March.
 
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I think Michael is still alive but was captured by the others.
The only reason why I disagree is because Zeke said, "He'll never find us." Now, what that means or turns out to mean is anybody's guess.
 
xXSilencerXx
Oh I missed that line.
Well, I record the episode for rewatching and read other forums for any clues I missed. After the first run-through I was confused about Michael as well.


They may just plan to leave him the way they have left Danielle, assuming she is even telling the truth.
 
Ok so i got to see that episode last night and really enjoyed it. Best episode in a while.

Just to clarify, why does Sawyer call 'Captain Birdseye' Zeke? He says it like he knows him, Zeke reacted to the comment but i believe more to being called Zeke and (not getting too deeply into it, but) the music seemed to suggest that we were being informed of something major.

Why was Jack so hard on Kate? Ok fair enough he told her to stay behind (for her own good i'm sure) but she chose to go anyway and ended up getting caught. Fine. But if she hadn't have been caught, what would've happened? The only thing that came from her being released is them having to give up their weapons (and it's not like they don't have an arsenal in the bunker) and walk away. The conversation was hardly going anywhere with Zeke and they weren't about to try and shoot their way out of the situation. It looks to me like Kate saved them all from doing something they would probably regret (except Sawyer who obviously wanted to inject Zeke with hot lead).
So back to the original question: Why was Jack so hard on Kate?

Penultimately, i laughed my arse off when Sawyer got shot again. He's like a magnet for random gunfire. And Locke saying "See you later James" to Sawyer was funny.

And finally Jack's closing conversation with Ana was verging on epic - "How long would it take to train an army?" This is where series 2 will end imo. Michael starting discussing the raft this far through series 1, so it'd make sense that they would try to build up to another massive finale - all out war between the losties and 'the others', the rescue of Michael and the discovery that Walt is now controlling the Island in someway... well maybe.
 
donbenni
Just to clarify, why does Sawyer call 'Captain Birdseye' Zeke? He says it like he knows him, Zeke reacted to the comment but i believe more to being called Zeke and (not getting too deeply into it, but) the music seemed to suggest that we were being informed of something major.
At best guess it is because Sawyer gives everyone nicknames. I am thinking that is all it is since they went out of their way to point out the nickname thing with the Mr. Clean/Locke conversation, where Locke was actually asking about calling himself Sawyer, just before Zeke shows up.

However appearances are deceiving, but rumor is that Zeke is one of teh two scientists that started Dharma. He is played by M.C. Gainey and at one point IMDB.com had him listed as playing the scientist (his name escapes me) but it was later changed and rumor is that ABC contacted IMDB and told them they were giving away plot points. If that is true then Zeke should have been on the island for 20-30 years and not had a chance to meet Sawyer unless going to society for supplies was a necessity.

I am just going with Sawyer likes nicknames.

So back to the original question: Why was Jack so hard on Kate?
I agree that Kate probably saved their lives because Jack and Sawyer were ready to fight it out despite being surrounded and Locke was hiding guns, whcih tells me he was prepared to if the other two started something. Howvere, Jack is a determined man and I am guessing that he felt that Kate created a problem that meant he had to choose between Michael or her. He made this decision before when he saved Sarah and let Shannon's dad die in the hospital and then again when he saved Boone from drowning. He hates this position and it is the same as defeat to him. In his head it is her fault that they could not save Michael. When the marshall died he blamed Sawyer and it took almost a full season for them to get along after that.

Penultimately, i laughed my arse off when Sawyer got shot again. He's like a magnet for random gunfire.
He and The Others just don't go well together.

And finally Jack's closing conversation with Ana was verging on epic - "How long would it take to train an army?" This is where series 2 will end imo. Michael starting discussing the raft this far through series 1, so it'd make sense that they would try to build up to another massive finale - all out war between the losties and 'the others', the rescue of Michael and the discovery that Walt is now controlling the Island in someway... well maybe.
I agree about the army thing. Have them all armed and ready to do some major battle for the finale and it gives a great season opener that will draw in new fans.

I think what we might find is that Walt is either being brainwashed or already has been. I say being because he seems to not like authority and he might be fighting them every chance he gets on both physical and mental levels.
 
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