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Actually I don't believe he is. It is the job of "all" drivers to avoid each other.
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Actually I don't believe he is. It is the job of "all" drivers to avoid each other.
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No *****. But that's not what he said. His comment was:
And considering the topic was slower backmarkers getting out of the way of cars that were lapping them it had no relevance to the conversation.
What he was talking about is in multiclass racing the slower cars are suppose to hold their line and it's the passing car's responsibility to make the pass cleanly. This is suppose to avoid incidents between classes. We are all in the same class so it is on both drivers to give enough room to each other. But when you are a lap down and obviously not in the hunt it is the smart and gentlemanly thing to do to let the faster cars by.
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It's not only smart and gentlemanly but it is a requirement. You can't ignore blue flags. For all you cone killers out there or anyone else who doesn't know what a blue flag is you should look it up.
This. From what I saw it didn't look like anyone was intentionally trying to hold the leaders up, more like they were unaware that they were even affecting someone else's race. I'm sure people will be more aware now that this issue has been brought up. I want to clarify my statement before that LAP cars should move out of the way of LEAD lap cars. Anyone fighting for a position has the right to defend(within the rules of course.) But personally I don't think lap cars should be allowed to race the leaders as hard as I saw yesterday. I know of at least two people who recieved damage and lost time due to a lap car just not paying attention.
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Does it actually show blue flags?
I don't know, but that would be nice.
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You're right I forgot about that. They really should have left that in.
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And if two back markers are battling for position and the leader is closing in on them to put them a lap down they still need to get out of the way even if it interferes with their battle.
Quade, use the edit button instead of double posting all the time.
Quade, use the edit button instead of double posting all the time.
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I'm pretty sure this has already floated around the gtplanet forums, but for those who have not seem them, here are three videos from iRacing/Skip Barber on "racecraft:"
Part A:
Part B:
Part C:
Enjoy.
Part A:
Part B:
Part C:
Enjoy.
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But here's the issue, unless I'm in last place how the heck do I know if the car approaching is lapping me or not? In the pre-season race I let a car pass assuming it was the leader and ended up losing a spot. Now I know I'm slow and running in the back but that doesn't mean I just want to give up a spot. Now of course if I know it's a lead lap car, I'll wreck myself to get out of the way but if I don't know I can't take that chance. If you're faster and a better driver you should be able to pass me cleanly it shouldn't be my responsibility to just give up a spot. Just my 2 cents
And another thing, relax people it's only a game, your not going to get fame or fortune running a gt6 series.
And another thing, relax people it's only a game, your not going to get fame or fortune running a gt6 series.
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There's a simple rule of tumb I use for situations like that @Jay_B_II : if a car is approaching me really quickly, like catching me easily in the span of a few corners from way back, I'll let him pass. Whether it's a person on your lap or someone lapping you, it's just better to let them by and try to use their draft and gain some pace following rather than trying to put up a fight you know you'll eventually lose anyway.
So it's not about trying to identify what position the car coming up on you is, but rather acting strategically and trying to use all opportunities to your advantage. This same reasoning also applies to battling a racer that's at your same pace. Instead of constantly swapping positions and slowing eachother down, work with eachother (allow fastest/more consistent car to lead) until the closing laps, then unload. This allows you the opportunity to catch others ahead or get away from other cars more easily.
So it's not about trying to identify what position the car coming up on you is, but rather acting strategically and trying to use all opportunities to your advantage. This same reasoning also applies to battling a racer that's at your same pace. Instead of constantly swapping positions and slowing eachother down, work with eachother (allow fastest/more consistent car to lead) until the closing laps, then unload. This allows you the opportunity to catch others ahead or get away from other cars more easily.
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And fewer opportunities to take one another out.
And it's pretty easy to tell who is in the position behind you. All you have to do is look at the position order on the right hand side of the screen. If the driver name catching quickly up to you on the track isn't the same as the driver listed below you in the position order then it is not a pass for position.
And it's pretty easy to tell who is in the position behind you. All you have to do is look at the position order on the right hand side of the screen. If the driver name catching quickly up to you on the track isn't the same as the driver listed below you in the position order then it is not a pass for position.
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Wardez I get what you're saying and in most cases I'm not going to purposely hold somebody up if they are faster but you also can't expect me to ruin my race to let you pass. I think in our case it's better for the slower car to maintain their line because with the cars being equal, it's the skill level that makes them slower so it may be more difficult for them to take a corner off line. This is something I often wrestle with when racing because I don't want to be in the way in a corner but I don't want to end up off the track trying to get out of the way either.
Brosif last I checked the name doesn't show in the rear view mirror, but maybe I'm wrong. I know in the preseason race I didn't know who was passing until I was already passed and lost the position.
Brosif last I checked the name doesn't show in the rear view mirror, but maybe I'm wrong. I know in the preseason race I didn't know who was passing until I was already passed and lost the position.
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The incidents I saw in the first group included a lap car turning into a lead lap car and spinning him and a lap car going off track and re-entering directly in front of a lead lap car. I don't think anyone is going to complain if they get a held up a bit by a lap car holding their line. But this was not the case from what I saw.
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Now I witnessed that and it made no sense to me. IRL if someone spins somebody they don't pull over and wait the race on whether it was on purpose or not, why do that here, we are racing, things happen. If you wreck me I'm not going to hold it against you, just explain yourself after the race and we're good. But definitely don't stop in the middle of the track, that just doesn't make sense. I mean I appreciate the gesture but I don't expect anyone to do that, I won't. If I hit you I'll back off to try to give you a chance to collect the car but if you spin I'm racing on.
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Because in sim/ish we don't have real consequences when we hit someone, we need some sort of penalty (in real life oval racing they run the "give spot back" rule at some tracks).
If someone wrecks me I expect them to pull off the racing line, and wait for me to get back in front at any point in the next lap.
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This happened in one of the races Saturday. I got into the back of doodle a bit (braked too late while behind him) and he started to spin out. I backed off enough to watch him gather it up and then kept going. He never said anything about it, so hopefully he forgives me.
How would he launch a complaint against you? You're running the series. Call your Mom or Dad?
but yeah, back off and give the person a chance to gather it up, you both continue on, IMHO nothing happend.
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Seem doodle is a magnet. I hit him too but in race one. I think I backed off to much because I lost about two spots in doing so. I hope next race I can remember to give a little more room next time to allow a better race.This happened in one of the races Saturday. I got into the back of doodle a bit (braked too late while behind him) and he started to spin out. I backed off enough to watch him gather it up and then kept going. He never said anything about it, so hopefully he forgives me.
