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[ANFD]

The most important thing that carries over from real world racing to the virtual world are the emotional highs and lows that come with hitting your marks, driving smart and seeing results and/or making mistakes and losing positions. Another aspect that carries over is "race-craft" and strategy. It also demands discipline and mental focus. These are tangible things that along with a little imagination provide a real glimpse into the world of actual racing.

 

[ANFD]

I am with quade on this one, I have been playing racing games since GT1 also, it's a way of driving on tracks I may never see. I was able to read the track, find the best line, how to roll the car into the corner to meet the apex. I learned early on that it's slow in fast out, late breaking will kill your line and speed out of the turn. I have driven real cars, on real tracks, and I think the things I learned in gaming is a huge help when the virtual meets the reality.

Reminds me of the time, we were cruising in a rental car on a freeway in San Francisco when we were struck from behind by a teenage couple traveling at about 100 mph. It lifted the back of our Crown Vic off the ground about 4 feet and set us spinning. This was around 7 pm and there was heavy traffic. We were in the slow lane and traveled across all lanes of traffic ending up backwards against the center divider. My Need For Speed instincts kicked in and I managed to weave our car through all the traffic as it was spinning without contacting another vehicle. When it was over and we sat there catching our breath, Yoly turned to me and asked my why I had a big grin on my face the whole time it was happening ..... I thought I was in a video game

 

[soloracerx]

Can't agree more, although, as much as I enjoy my virtual racing, there is nothing like the feeling of a real racing car. I have had the pleasure of driving on a few courses in the eastern US. The rolling hills of Road America, the bumps on the stretch of Sebring, the deep drops through the chicane at Mid-Ohio. You can't replicate the feeling...

 

[soloracerx]

Reminds me of the time, we were cruising in a rental car on a freeway in San Francisco when we were struck from behind by a teenage couple traveling at about 100 mph. It lifted the back of our Crown Vic off the ground about 4 feet and set us spinning. This was around 7 pm and there was heavy traffic. We were in the slow lane and traveled across all lanes of traffic ending up backwards against the center divider. My Need For Speed instincts kicked in and I managed to weave our car through all the traffic as it was spinning without contacting another vehicle. When it was over and we sat there catching our breath, Yoly turned to me and asked my why I had a big grin on my face the whole time it was happening ..... I thought I was in a video game

HAHAHA.... I get that from my wife all the time... "THIS ISN'T ONE OF YOUR VIDEO GAMES!!!"

 

[deadbob777]

@ANFD We can only wish to have lives as interesting as yours. You're like the Dos Equis guy haha.

 

[BustedFoSho]

I've never been on a racetrack in a competitive setting. Been a gamer my whole life having a controller in my hands some 37 years. Only recently with GT5 did I really get into simulators. I've always noticed how gaming translates into everyday real life heightening your sensory & perceptual skills in almost every application. Sometimes I felt superhuman compared to older generations & non gamers. What a boost I used to feel from it. I also noticed how the next generation of gamers were just a little bit faster regardless of how much I'd practice I was slowly falling behind. Then the next generation was a lot faster than I could ever imagine being. Each generations skill level seemingly advancing at an exponential rate. So much so that I often feel like I'm moving in slow motion. Quite a dip from my "superhuman" days. Still, it's the most fun I can have in my price range. I doubt I'll ever quit or give up gaming until I become physically incapable. Thank god for really, REALLY crappy gamers. Without them I doubt I'd ever get to feel that rush again lol I even take some pleasure in being someone else's crappy gamer. It's all relative I guess.

 

[quade420]

Yes for certain. Some of the "aliens" I race with on here make me feel like I'm moving in slow motion. But I never mind much because I always learn something when I race with them.

 

[ANFD]

@ANFD We can only wish to have lives as interesting as yours. You're like the Dos Equis guy haha.

Of course I highlight the good stuff so you can't fully judge the whole package. I've worked my butt off and weathered hardships like everyone but I have always considered myself truly blessed. When I was 20 I met and was inspired by Bruce McLaren (in the pits at Riverside Raceway in 1969) and realized that there was something in life that I was passionate about. That's the real key .... having a passion and a dream and then just doing whatever little thing on a day to day basis that leads in that direction ..... It took 12 years and 2 degrees before I landed at Honda

PS: Soichiro san and I share the same birthday and he founded the company the year I was born, so there's a little destiny in there too

 

[ANFD]

I also noticed how the next generation of gamers were just a little bit faster regardless of how much I'd practice I was slowly falling behind. Then the next generation was a lot faster than I could ever imagine being. Each generations skill level seemingly advancing at an exponential rate. So much so that I often feel like I'm moving in slow motion. Quite a dip from my "superhuman" days.

I've been around racing for many decades and the one constant I've noticed is that there is always faster guys and there's always slower guys .... always been that way and always will be that way. As long as I fit in somewhere in the middle, I'm good with that

 

[BustedFoSho]

I left all things motorcycle in 1984 and got involved in car racing, then got involved in the marine industry and became an "expert" in propulsion (among other things) .... when I retired I became an outdoor writer .... I've had a fun life

You became a writer!? Very cool, I would like to do something in that direction as it seems to come naturally to me at least in process I feel it does. Is any of your stuff online? I'd very much like to read some.

 

[moeom]

GUESS WHO BAAAAAACCCCKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ph1sh]

GUESS WHO BAAAAAACCCCKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mooooooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeoooooooommmmmm

 

[ANFD]

You became a writer!? Very cool, I would like to do something in that direction as it seems to come naturally to me at least in process I feel it does. Is any of your stuff online? I'd very much like to read some.

You know that's a very good question. Most of my stuff was published in Trailer Boats Magazine and Powerboat Magazine with a few articles published in more regional magazines like Fishing Magazine. I just assumed that all this stuff could be googled up like ancient history so I checked it out this afternoon. Found out that both magazines were sold and discontinued in June, 2011. The really weird part is that considering that Trailer Boats Magazine was the oldest boating magazine originating in 1959 and never missed a month during its run, there is no trace of it in Google archives. I did see where some old issues are available on Amazon for $12 a piece !!! but nothing on Google relevant to the articles I wrote. The two most major articles were entitled "Pleasing Props" and Re-inventing the Wheel". I also wrote a feature article about the opening of the new "Captain John Smith National Water Trail". I'm going to try Googling myself and see what I can dig up Glad I kept hard copies of all these just for posterity !

Found a reference to Trailer Boats Magazine on facebook, but I'm not on FB. For what it's worth, if you could find the May 2008 & July 2009 issues, you might find my articles.

 

[tzracer]

Racing virtually is quite far removed from actual racing when it comes to sensory feedback. You have to completely re-train your brain to process the visual and auditory stimuli to initiate the correct muscle responses. I've had occasion to have two professional race car drivers at my house try my set up. Both these guys were older (one was a former IMSA champion) and came through their careers before simulators became common. Neither could do it well and as a result of their naturally large egos, both deemed it stupid after less than 5 minutes and refused to embarrass themselves further

Of all the people I've met racing online, no one is more competitive by nature than the motorcycle racers

The not winning can be very hard on the ego. I try to remind myself it is only a game, no where near as cool as winning real races. I do have some first place trophies and earned some Michelin podium hats.

I really miss the feed back, especially coming off motorcycles. I have owned every GT game, but I had been racing for 18 years and had a couple pro licenses by the time GT1 was released. I used the games during the off season to keep sharp. I would drive the fastest cars on small tracks to keep my brain up to speed, really didn't care about lap times, just looking for very high corner entry to come close to replicating what I was used to.

Trying to actually video race is much more difficult. I don't know if I will be able to unlearn enough to do really well. My style does not really use brake markers (Josh Hayes has a similar style "when the corner looks right, I brake") it does not translate well to the game. I really miss peripheral vision. I am using the GTP time trials to try to get faster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Hayes

It is much easier for me to 4 wheel drift a real car, than one in the game.

 

[tzracer]

The most important thing that carries over from real world racing to the virtual world are the emotional highs and lows that come with hitting your marks, driving smart and seeing results and/or making mistakes and losing positions. Another aspect that carries over is "race-craft" and strategy. It also demands discipline and mental focus. These are tangible things that along with a little imagination provide a real glimpse into the world of actual racing.

I agree with race craft and strategy. Those are the same and can take a while to learn.

Winning online however does not feel anything like winning a real race - at least for me. It is satisfying to win, but I do not jump out of my chair, hug my wife (who was my at track mechanic) and let out a scream.

 

[ANFD]

The not winning can be very hard on the ego. I try to remind myself it is only a game, no where near as cool as winning real races. I do have some first place trophies and earned some Michelin podium hats.

I really miss the feed back, especially coming off motorcycles. I have owned every GT game, but I had been racing for 18 years and had a couple pro licenses by the time GT1 was released. I used the games during the off season to keep sharp. I would drive the fastest cars on small tracks to keep my brain up to speed, really didn't care about lap times, just looking for very high corner entry to come close to replicating what I was used to.

Trying to actually video race is much more difficult. I don't know if I will be able to unlearn enough to do really well. My style does not really use brake markers (Josh Hayes has a similar style "when the corner looks right, I brake") it does not translate well to the game. I really miss peripheral vision. I am using the GTP time trials to try to get faster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Hayes

It is much easier for me to 4 wheel drift a real car, than one in the game.

I did not know about Josh Hayes not using a specific brake marker and I'm with you in that regard. Most often I can just look down to the corner and "feel" when it's time to brake (I thought I was the only one). Sometimes I do use a specific brake marker if it's obvious and effective.

 

[tzracer]

ANFD, what are your degrees?

I have one in math and a couple in physics (BS,MS).

 

[tzracer]

I did not know about Josh Hayes not using a specific brake marker and I'm with you in that regard. Most often I can just look down to the corner and "feel" when it's time to brake (I thought I was the only one). Sometimes I do use a specific brake marker if it's obvious and effective.

That is exactly what I do. Thought I was the only one until I was talking to Josh and I asked him about brake markers. He told me he really didn't use them.

The lack of the feeling of speed robs me of that feeling when to brake.

 

[moeom]

I was supposed to join you guys for practice this past Wednesday. But my cousins' flight got delayed, than cancelled and than delayed again. So it was a hectic week to say the least. All is good now and they are somewhere over the Pacific as I type this.

 

[ANFD]

I agree with race craft and strategy. Those are the same and can take a while to learn.

Winning online however does not feel anything like winning a real race - at least for me. It is satisfying to win, but I do not jump out of my chair, hug my wife (who was my at track mechanic) and let out a scream.

Let me clarify something here ..... I did not personally race very much at all ( a few sporatic amateur races for fun only). I have been however, a team member on 3 National Championship winning teams as a crew member and engineer. I have designed and built several innovative and trick systems in racing technolgy and I have visited victory circle on many occasions, but never as a rider or driver. That being the case, I can still relate to what you're saying tz as the effort and commitment in the real racing world is so much greater, that the exhileration of winning is proportionally that much greater also. Even as a crew member, the hours and hours of work that goes into winning is so worthwhile when you're standing there with the team in victory circle and it's quite a rush, even if you personally didn't win

Maybe that's why I'm so dedicated now as it's the first time I actually get to drive

That's me on the far left (with da big smile) NHRA Top Fuel World Finals

 

[ANFD]

That is exactly what I do. Thought I was the only one until I was talking to Josh and I asked him about brake markers. He told me he really didn't use them.

The lack of the feeling of speed robs me of that feeling when to brake.

I've also taught myself and programmed my brain to always brake about 10 yards before I get to the point where I think I should brake 💡

 

[BustedFoSho]

@ANFD Here's any even better question for you. Do you have a printer and if it's not too much of a bother could you post a couple of your best? Or it would probably be easiest to Email. Convo me if your too modest but I'm sure others wouldn't mind a good read.

 

[ANFD]

@ANFD Here's any even better question for you. Do you have a printer and if it's not too much of a bother could you post a couple of your best? Or it would probably be easiest to Email. Convo me if your too modest but I'm sure others wouldn't mind a good read.

Frankly, if you weren't into boating, I doubt the articles would be of interest to you. Both of them had to do with the science & philosophy behind chosing the correct propeller for a specific application. Would this be of interest to you ?

 

[BustedFoSho]

My buddy has a boat he takes us out all the time might be some good intelligent conversation at least until the 4th or 5th beer. If it's too much trouble no worries but if you can I'd surely read it.

 

[deadbob777]

When are the races tonight? I just woke up lol.

 

[BionicDerp]

When are the races tonight? I just woke up lol.

Wrong thread, but the room is up right now. Dolph is host.

 

[ItsAllAboutWins]

I just passed an Audi r8 with my semi truck. Feelin like a boss.

 

[ANFD]

My buddy has a boat he takes us out all the time might be some good intelligent conversation at least until the 4th or 5th beer. If it's too much trouble no worries but if you can I'd surely read it.

I really had to dig for the articles. I had written them back in 2007 and 2008 and they were on an external drive that I hadn't used in years. I have over 7 Tb of storage on 4 external drives because of all the video stuff I'm doing now and I didn't even know I had this really old drive with all this really old stuff on it. I also found what I consider to be my best work, the feature article describing the Captain John Smith National Water Trail. If you PM me your email address, I'll send it to you. All this seems like so long ago

 

[BionicDerp]

I just passed an Audi r8 with my semi truck.

Aw... You missed.

 

[BustedFoSho]

@ANFD Nostalgia always brings on the best emotions

here's my email bustedfosho@gmail.com