◆ SNAIL [DriveTrain Challenge - DTC] Racing - Closed
- Thread starter jobyone
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- jobyone71
I do not see any last place finishes
You have to remember people like Nic, ,Diabolic, Kendawg, Race, JoeW and Ice are in the top division of SNAIL. This means they are some of the fastest drivers playing GT5. So simply being close is good enough for me. Also being around these guys will make you faster
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- ChuthuluGoat
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- koszak27
jobyoneI do not see any last place finishes
Half kidding but thanks.
Goat you may suck at teh interweb but you can make a Dodge Ram dance, so... you are forgiven.
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- Rallywgn81
Good races especially on Spa w/ Nicktune (& his lovely 67 Toyota) & racefan78 @ Motegi - who gave me incentive to stay on the track for dear life
. 👍 👍
But then immediately upon arriving in Monte Carlo, several drivers apparently decided to partake of the local fare,and got all hopped up on goofballs.
Seriously guys, I think there needs to be liberal usage of the guilty--smiley here from a few people. 👎
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W941tdSfzXI
OK, let me get a little steward action in here (since I am, typically a steward, just on hiadus at the moment.)
1: (0:10) Without being able to to switch the cars and views, its hard to gauge, but to me it looks like Goat was turning in before overlap was properly achieved (remember, you need to have your cars nose up to his front door, not just a little on his inside). In the end, no one was harmed. No penalty.
2: (0:27) Again, no overlap, as such, Goat had the right to take that corner out as wide as he needed too. As a matter of fact, I'd say if Star had not tried to jump on the outside, he would have passed Goat, as Goat slammed the wall and scrubbed lots of speed.
3: (0:36) This gets a little tough here, Goat had overlap, but hes just so BIG! he does touch Race though, and Race in turn touches the wall, Lvl1, 2 points, halved for concession. 1 point penalty.
4: (0:58) Star gets into Kozack(?) and spins him. No position was taken, Lvl 1, 2 points.
5: (1:07) Not enough info
6: (1:40) That was a big push there buddy! Lvl 2, 4 points. No concession, no reduction.
7: (2:05) Kendawg PITs Shmiggz, and takes out 2 others in the mess. Lvl 3, 7 points. Half it on the high side if concession was given.
8 (3:00) No penalty on Goat, though I have a mind to take one to Watermelon. On a straight, you cant slowly wander down on someone as they try to pass, especially when its so short. You need to either drop low right out of the corner or stay up high. Goat no doubt had you and it looks like you are trying to squeeze him out. Im sure he wasn't planning to be put in a wall. If he had the proper lane and you held your higher line, the pass would have been clean and he probably wouldn't have needed the e brake.
*DISCLAIMER* These are my opinions and do not reflect those of the race organizers, all penalties are arbitrary and will not actually be reflected on any score.
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- Rallywgn81
Uhhh, the reply is in watermelons post, and copied onto mine... And I looked at it agian, and it was at corner entry. You should have been falling behind Kozack, but instead drive right into his inside corner. Again, this is coming off of said replay, I can only judge by what I see there.
Yeah, I'd say there is a touch. If his car was floating neutral when you touched him, that will easily cause an MR-2 to lose it.
Yeah, I'd say there is a touch. If his car was floating neutral when you touched him, that will easily cause an MR-2 to lose it.
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- Starvsnr
- Starvsnr
Well the angle it is on really doesn't show the distance between the front of my car and the rear of the other car. However as my car drifts across the track it does look as if I bump the car in front of me and they loose their tail as well, but as I said if I remember correctly I thought I had not made contact. Going into that turn we were going to be three wide and I actually just broke extremely early to keep my self out of any situation at all.
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- jobyone71
Ok guys and gals. Once I get the replays I will take a look. It does look like there might have been a bit of aggressive driving going on
One thing I would ask for the next race is that we all just relax a bit. Lets make sure this is about having fun on track with a great bunch of racers. Can we focus on respect first, fun second and finally on having some good competition.
Now to the group is Côte d'Azur perhaps a bad track to use?
One thing I would ask for the next race is that we all just relax a bit. Lets make sure this is about having fun on track with a great bunch of racers. Can we focus on respect first, fun second and finally on having some good competition.
Now to the group is Côte d'Azur perhaps a bad track to use?
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- Rallywgn81
Monaco is great! Don't drop it. one of my favorites. A truck might be a bit big for it though, especially that semi! Gah, that thing is intimidating.
Btw, star, and everyone, I wasn't trying to call anyone out, just wanted to put my stewarding skills to work on that replay.
Btw, star, and everyone, I wasn't trying to call anyone out, just wanted to put my stewarding skills to work on that replay.
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- Rallywgn81
They are on sugarsync. make an account, then see if this link will work.
it may or may not. I couldnt find a public type link to send you too, and this one may not work because of that, if thats the case, copy the link, remove crescentfreshms and put in your email name minus that @whatever.com
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Ok, I just checked it, pretty sure you need to get accepted by whom ever runs the SNAIL account and have them send you a request to join. I'm not solid on the process though.
Goat, do you know if ESH is still running sugarsync or did the torch get passed on?
it may or may not. I couldnt find a public type link to send you too, and this one may not work because of that, if thats the case, copy the link, remove crescentfreshms and put in your email name minus that @whatever.com
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Ok, I just checked it, pretty sure you need to get accepted by whom ever runs the SNAIL account and have them send you a request to join. I'm not solid on the process though.
Goat, do you know if ESH is still running sugarsync or did the torch get passed on?
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- Apmaddock
I hate Cote. Even F1 races there are a parade. Bring real cars, amateur racers and a sim environment and it's worse.
Cote will always get my slowest car because even if I've got 50PP on the next guy I'm not guaranteed a place to pass.
Cote will always get my slowest car because even if I've got 50PP on the next guy I'm not guaranteed a place to pass.
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- wat3rm370n
I'm not really sure how this works - I've never tried importing a replay that I can recall, but I took the replay folders/files & uploaded them here, if that helps anyone. All 4. I think you may have to download the files individually, but no pass code is needed.
Dive bombing or just forcing a nose in on the inside with late braking is generally considered poor track etiquette, not to mention incredibly imprudent on switchback hairpins, or just about anywhere on Monte Carlo in particular, but many other parts of other tracks as well.
Forcing a passing opportunity on the inside, or generally aggressive or reckless driving (ie: lots of bumping), in my experience, is guaranteed to cause your fellow racers to become ill tempered, and increase the likelihood of the ruffled feathers causing a cascading domino effect through the grid of more & more drivers becoming disgruntled, frustrated, aggressive... or even leading to paybacks or monkey-see-monnkey-do rule flouting, as tensions rise.
This is normal human behaviour reactions, and best to just avoid it by playing fair in the first place, rather than having to *gasp* APOLOGIZE
later.
I accept Chiochan's apology. But I think he's owed one from someone else. Ahem. ^^ And he and that other person should probably apologize to racefan as well. You know who you are
It's perfectly possible to have clean races at Monte Carlo. But it takes at the very least patient drivers, because there are no sensible passing opportunities unless the ahead car makes a grave error.
A famous Formula 1 racer had said that racing at Monte Carlo was like having a bicycle race in your living room.
In Lo PP Shuffle rooms, if Monte Carlo gets picked, I invariably put the shuffle base to 300pp, just in case somebody in the room is drunk or otherwise sanity impaired, to keep the potential for mayhem at a minimum.
But the fact is, people can start bumping & behaving goofy on any track, at any PP, in any type of car. Monte Carlo isn't particularly special in that.
Dive bombing or just forcing a nose in on the inside with late braking is generally considered poor track etiquette, not to mention incredibly imprudent on switchback hairpins, or just about anywhere on Monte Carlo in particular, but many other parts of other tracks as well.
Forcing a passing opportunity on the inside, or generally aggressive or reckless driving (ie: lots of bumping), in my experience, is guaranteed to cause your fellow racers to become ill tempered, and increase the likelihood of the ruffled feathers causing a cascading domino effect through the grid of more & more drivers becoming disgruntled, frustrated, aggressive... or even leading to paybacks or monkey-see-monnkey-do rule flouting, as tensions rise.
This is normal human behaviour reactions, and best to just avoid it by playing fair in the first place, rather than having to *gasp* APOLOGIZE
later.I accept Chiochan's apology. But I think he's owed one from someone else. Ahem. ^^ And he and that other person should probably apologize to racefan as well. You know who you are
It's perfectly possible to have clean races at Monte Carlo. But it takes at the very least patient drivers, because there are no sensible passing opportunities unless the ahead car makes a grave error.
A famous Formula 1 racer had said that racing at Monte Carlo was like having a bicycle race in your living room.
In Lo PP Shuffle rooms, if Monte Carlo gets picked, I invariably put the shuffle base to 300pp, just in case somebody in the room is drunk or otherwise sanity impaired, to keep the potential for mayhem at a minimum.
But the fact is, people can start bumping & behaving goofy on any track, at any PP, in any type of car. Monte Carlo isn't particularly special in that.
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- GTP_racefan78
Ok guys, here's yesterday's results, pending any changes due to agressive driving:
1. Nik-KL (57)
2. Starvsnr (54)
3. ChuthuluGoat (53)
4. WatermelonPunch (49)
5. Kendawg (48)
6. Shmiggz* (47)
7. Racefan (46)
8. Koszak (44)
9. Diabolicwyvern* (28)
*Suffered disconects or did not finish all races
1. Nik-KL (57)
2. Starvsnr (54)
3. ChuthuluGoat (53)
4. WatermelonPunch (49)
5. Kendawg (48)
6. Shmiggz* (47)
7. Racefan (46)
8. Koszak (44)
9. Diabolicwyvern* (28)
*Suffered disconects or did not finish all races
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- diabolicwyvern
Hate that I missed the missed/skipped/forfeit the last two races with my highest pp cars, but I couldn't risk running Spa sans ABS in the Stratos. Chances were strong Id ruin someone's race. I was so upset with myself for that debacle that I turned the PS3 off. I quickly realized I missed the opportunity to start first in last race with my Ford RS200...and now that I see it was at Monaco...I'm more bummed. The rally car would have had an easy time there.
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- jobyone71
Ok I have taken a look at the replay and I see two penalties.
1. Goat pushing race after the tunnel (1:40). Level 2 4 pts sounds fair.
2. Kendawg vs Schmiggz (2:05) I would say level 2 6pts.
The rest were either no penalty or just racing incidents. One note to make about the others I could see no contact between Star and Kozak.
I am reluctant to impose penalties this week as no real procedure has been put in place. Rally if you would be willing to help with the occasional stewarding I will draft up a plan. I would love one or two other people who would be willing to do some occasional stewarding.
So this week lets just issue a warning to Kendawg an Goat to be a bit more careful next week. In particular Goat please be aware that any bumping by the Ram has a huge effect on the other car.
Now one point to bring up to the rest. Goats truck was actually the fastest at Cote. With that in mind it might be worth making sure to give that thing a bit more room
And I will end with one topic for discussion.
Should we impose a no passing until after the first turn rule?
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- wat3rm370n
I think the most important issue is not so much worrying about penalizing a bunch of minor incidents... but having agreement that lots of bumping and minor incidents is simply annoying when added up within a couple of laps, and should be avoided, for the benefit of civil comraderie.
IE: just try to remember not to lose one's head even if someone else makes a goof mistake.
But I'd be interested in hearing others' opinions on this.
I have found this beneficial in the past on certain tracks in certain situations.
For example, like the time there was lag off the start at Nurb last week. The effects of that might have been minimized if there was a grid order thru turn 1 rule. I've done it to start racing at the end of the red & white striped curbing on the right - which basically just takes you through that 1st hinky turn.
Turn 1 at Monte Carlo is also pretty hectic & hard to judge with all cars diving into it on the start.
Daytona Road Course or Tsukuba? I hardly would see the point, as there's no particular weirdness to those 1st turns, and any halfway clean group of racers with a modicum of sanity can get through Turn 1 on those tracks easily without mayhem.
-- So I guess the question would be - 1st turn for all tracks just for the sake of uniformity. Or none. Or some.
IE: just try to remember not to lose one's head even if someone else makes a goof mistake.
But that brings up the issue of disregarding the GtP OLR rules... that the ahead driver has the right to their position and the idea that the passing driver is the one responsible for clean overtake. In this format there will ALWAYS be someone who has a "known faster" car... does that mean someone in a slower car must abandon their line, and give way voluntarily allowing the person ahead? I don't think people who want to race in mixed models necessarily would like that. I don't think say, Nicktune, should be expected to make way for me on the Nurb simply because I'm in a faster car. If I can't get a clean pass, I don't want the position given to me. That's humiliating. If I can't beat him fair & square because he's defending his position according to the rules, I don't feel I deserve that position. It is a race, after all.Now one point to bring up to the rest. Goats truck was actually the fastest at Cote. With that in mind it might be worth making sure to give that thing a bit more room
But I'd be interested in hearing others' opinions on this.
I have found this beneficial in the past on certain tracks in certain situations.
For example, like the time there was lag off the start at Nurb last week. The effects of that might have been minimized if there was a grid order thru turn 1 rule. I've done it to start racing at the end of the red & white striped curbing on the right - which basically just takes you through that 1st hinky turn.
Turn 1 at Monte Carlo is also pretty hectic & hard to judge with all cars diving into it on the start.
Daytona Road Course or Tsukuba? I hardly would see the point, as there's no particular weirdness to those 1st turns, and any halfway clean group of racers with a modicum of sanity can get through Turn 1 on those tracks easily without mayhem.
-- So I guess the question would be - 1st turn for all tracks just for the sake of uniformity. Or none. Or some.
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