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Those are valid points, but we could have had the same "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality at any stage of this league. The fact of the matter is that we have already adjusted our tire scale several times in an effort to improve and I don't see why we can't again. Of course we don't want to alienate any drivers, but to pretend that the average skill level of our drivers hasn't increased would be a mistake.

And I'm not talking about the new drivers who have joined, either. I'm talking about drivers who have been here from the start. I can guarantee that almost every driver who has been in these league for more than a few months (including myself) has seen a marked improvement in driving skill. Keep in mind that this league started off as a "Racing Softs" league because that's the level of drivers that we were back then. As spooble mentioned earlier, we've come a long way and there's no reason to stop improving/evolving now.

I definitely want to have the feedback continue to come in, but I think I have something in mind that will be a good compromise that's enjoyable for everyone.
 
JoeW
Me too ;)
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I had plenty of tire left at Indy... I need to leave more on the track and less on the car, I guess.

I was shocked at the difference between drivers when I looked at replays.
 
ANFD
The harder tires do make the cars harder to drive and control which favors the more skilled drivers.But does it add to the experience when more of the field is spinning and suffering more contact as a result of reduced braking for instance. I just think that the racing is improved when more people have control of their car and the confidence to be as competitive as they can be :)
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If you don't have control on Comfort tires...you don't have control on Racing tires.
Racing tires can hide your mistakes really well...It is much harder to find what you are doing wrong when racing on this.If you are always racing on grippy tires then you are really limiting your improvement.

The reason why some are really fast, it's because they understand something that the others have yet to discover (you won't find it on racing tires I'm sure).

Skill level doesn't matter.
 
tezgm99
He means that while he had plenty of tyre life remaining, some others had hardly any.
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Darn the subtlety of preceding sentences... Perhaps they should be omitted for expediency...
 
Nicktune
they understand something that the others have yet to discover...

Skill level doesn't matter.
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Frustration does, doesn't it?

Wait, I can be unskilled and it won't matter???

WIN!!!

(perhaps I am watching too many Clarkson Top Gear bits this summer...)
 
Nicktune
The reason why some are really fast, it's because they understand something that the others have yet to discover (you won't find it on racing tires I'm sure).

Skill level doesn't matter.
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I disagree completely. A more skilled driver will be much better equiped to deal with adjusting their driving style to suit each car (thus conserving tyres if it requires it) and also hit their braking points and apexes way more consistantly than someone with a lower skill level.
 
Ok, I just browsed trough all of this, and it was only a quick look, so if I'm outdated, my apologies, this thread moves fast! So, that said, I agree that all divisions should run the same tires. I also like Maddocks idea of one tire system for street cars and one for race cars. The only thing I would like to add, I dont think at any point we should run below SH. Honestly, I've never seen anyone roll up to an autocross in your standard all season radials. And autocross is as low key, low budget as it gets. The only thing comfort tires are good for is drifting. So a sports tire system for street cars and a race tire system for race cars. Thats my two cents.
 
Rallywagon
Ok, I just browsed trough all of this, and it was only a quick look, so if I'm outdated, my apologies, this thread moves fast! So, that said, I agree that all divisions should run the same tires. I also like Maddocks idea of one tire system for street cars and one for race cars. The only thing I would like to add, I dont think at any point we should run below SH. Honestly, I've never seen anyone roll up to an autocross in your standard all season radials. And autocross is as low key, low budget as it gets. The only thing comfort tires are good for is drifting. So a sports tire system for street cars and a race tire system for race cars. Thats my two cents.
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Hey, no price inflation! That is $0.02 more valuable than mine, I'll have you know!


Errr.... Oops.
 
We have to ask ourselves if we want realism or an artificial challenge. If we want realism them most production cars should run on sports tires becasue that is what they would go to the track with. Race cars should be on slicks becasue they would be on slicks.

If we want an artificial challenge that would most likely never occur in real life then we should run all the way down to comfort hards and run 500hp production cars on comfort softs.

If we want a nice balance that will generate good racing, we should stay very close to where we are right now. I like Rally's idea better than Ap's. Sports tires for production and race tires for race cars, rms, tcs, and turner cars is a good idea. Get rid of the comfort tires all together becasue only the biggest of idiots in this world would show up for a race on a track with your stock econo-touring tire.

Just a side note for anyone that thinks it's unrealistic to wear a tire out 7 laps. I run a dirt modified and we will consistently wear out both rear tires over the course of a 30 lap race. On a 1/3 mile track that is only 10 miles which is less than 7 laps at Indy Road. The guys around here that run the same cars on pavement tell me the same thing about their right side tires. They are good for about 15 miles if they are running hard.
 
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We have to ask ourselves if we want realism or an artificial challenge. If we want realism them most production cars should run on sports tires becasue that is what they would go to the track with. Race cars should be on slicks becasue they would be on slicks.

If we want an artificial challenge that would most likely never occur in real life then we should run all the way down to comfort hards and run 500hp production cars on comfort softs.

If we want a nice balance that will generate good racing, we should stay very close to where we are right now. I like Rally's idea better than Ap's. Sports tires for production and race tires for race cars, rms, tcs, and turner cars is a good idea. Get rid of the comfort tires all together becasue only the biggest of idiots in this world would show up for a race on a track with your stock econo-touring tire.
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I briefly ran in a league that only ran CSofts...
 
tezgm99
I disagree completely. A more skilled driver will be much better equiped to deal with adjusting their driving style to suit each car (thus conserving tyres if it requires it) and also hit their braking points and apexes way more consistantly than someone with a lower skill level.
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Absolutely.

My post wasn't clear maybe...lol

Skill level doesn't matter (new to GT or not) if you want to improve your driving, low grip tires is the best school.
I'm not saying "put everything on CH for the sunday races" .

diabolicwyvern
Hi Son!
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Hi mom! :P
 
Well I think this horse has been beaten to death.

Why not have an official vote via PM to change it or not. Majority wins.

If the majority says to change THEN we can discuss the best solution.
 
JoeW
Well I think this horse has been beaten to death.
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Oh, you have no idea… (besides, it's too late to un-deliberate)


I'd be all for a change to only sport and racing tires as Bowler suggested. Honestly, my guidelines were thrown down pretty quickly more as a suggestion than anything. So long as no sports car is put on anything softer than currently instructed.

For fear of being put to the lions (and catching hell from zer0 who claims he has a solution) I'll put forth another suggestion:

Production Cars:
Below 450 PP --> SH
450-549 PP ----> SM
550 PP and up -> SS

All Other Cars (as mentioned before):
Below 550 PP -> RH
550-699 PP ---> RM
700PP and up -> RS (*maybe*)


For the productions cars, this is actually only a bit harder than the current list until you get to the top end of the PP lines. I guess that provides a nice spectrum, that way.
 
Nicktune
Absolutely.

My post wasn't clear maybe...lol

Skill level doesn't matter (new to GT or not) if you want to improve your driving, low grip tires is the best school.
I'm not saying "put everything on CH for the sunday races" .
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Oh my bad, I didn't read it the way you intended it....yes, the lower grip level makes you really think about how you're driving :)
 
I agree with Bowler. The current system is pretty good. No need to complicate it or change. As long as everyone is always on the same tire, then the current system will suffice.
 
Nicktune
If you don't have control on Comfort tires...you don't have control on Racing tires.
Racing tires can hide your mistakes really well...It is much harder to find what you are doing wrong when racing on this.If you are always racing on grippy tires then you are really limiting your improvement.

The reason why some are really fast, it's because they understand something that the others have yet to discover (you won't find it on racing tires I'm sure).

Skill level doesn't matter.
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I guess I'm having trouble understanding your opening statement ? I have much better control on Slicks than I do on Comforts :-)

And I guess now I'm not sure what the real purpose of this league is ? I thought it was to primarily have fun racing clean races with clean racers of similar skill levels. But am I to understand, from your perspective that the purpose for being here is to learn how to drive the way others think I should be driving and that this is more of a driving school to teach me how to be a better driver ? Please don't take this the wrong way and personally. I'm saying this purely from a philosophical point of view :)
 
ANFD
And I guess now I'm not sure what the real purpose of this league is ? I thought it was to primarily have fun racing clean races with clean racers of similar skill levels. But am I to understand, from your perspective that the purpose for being here is to learn how to drive the way others think I should be driving and that this is more of a driving school to teach me how to be a better driver ? Please don't take this the wrong way and personally. I'm saying this purely from a philosophical point of view :)
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I'm here for the first part of that paragraph. As to the rest of it, I think that by driving against a number of the same people often enough, you will improve your driving anyway due to gaining a better understanding of what others do in situations/how they drive (if they're faster on particular sections, the replays can help figure out what they're doing differently)....which I guess could be taken as being similar to a driving school :/
 
Apmaddock
Oh, you have no idea… (besides, it's too late to un-deliberate)


I'd be all for a change to only sport and racing tires as Bowler suggested. Honestly, my guidelines were thrown down pretty quickly more as a suggestion than anything. So long as no sports car is put on anything softer than currently instructed.

For fear of being put to the lions (and catching hell from zer0 who claims he has a solution) I'll put forth another suggestion:

Production Cars:
Below 450 PP --> SH
450-549 PP ----> SM
550 PP and up -> SS

All Other Cars (as mentioned before):
Below 550 PP -> RH
550-699 PP ---> RM
700PP and up -> RS (*maybe*)


For the productions cars, this is actually only a bit harder than the current list until you get to the top end of the PP lines. I guess that provides a nice spectrum, that way.
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Now that's simple and simple is bliss. I like it alot. If there is going to be a change, this format gets my support. I don't think the RS would ever get used anyway. I could be wrong, but I don't think there is a car in the game at 700pp that is under 1 million credits and that's fine.
 
With all this tire talk , which is making for some interesting reading through out the day , has anyone noticed any of the prize selections yet ?
 

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