♦SNAIL WRRC (CLOSED)PS4

[ErickGaToRR]

 

[IceWarden]

I think the problem is that we currently have three really fast guys and then the rest of us. Anyone stuck racing in that room is going to have to get used to not battling for the podium very often.

That obviously doesn't sound like much fun which is why the population dropped when the race started.

Those three guys say it's more fun being in the lobby with the rest of us but even in our room of 16 it still ends up being those three guys battling for the lead. So why is it more fun? I guess 3rd place out of 3 isn't nearly as cool as 3rd place out of 16.

I guess what the D1 room needs is enough guys (beyond the first three) that can have a decent battle amongst themselves when the fast guys run away and hide. The D2 room has plenty of that but the D1 doesn't...so it's no fun for the guys racing for 4th place.

Just rambling...

 

[Lessen]

Hey fellas,

Last night's provisional results. If there are any further discrepencies please feel free to let me know and I'll look into it and make any corrections necessary.

Note: Aerolite and Oshawa-Joe should be flipped as Oshawa's best finish of 6th trumps Aero's best finish of 8th.

Note2: @Zii1993 Neener Neener

 

[Zii1993]

Hey fellas,

Last night's provisional results. If there are any further discrepencies please feel free to let me know and I'll look into it and make any corrections necessary.

Note: Aerolite and Oshawa-Joe should be flipped as Oshawa's best finish of 6th trumps Aero's best finish of 8th.

Note2: @Zii1993 Neener Neener

Me and joe are backwards on race #3

 

[Lessen]

I think the problem is that we currently have three really fast guys and then the rest of us. Anyone stuck racing in that room is going to have to get used to not battling for the podium very often.

That obviously doesn't sound like much fun which is why the population dropped when the race started.

Those three guys say it's more fun being in the lobby with the rest of us but even in our room of 16 it still ends up being those three guys battling for the lead. So why is it more fun? I guess 3rd place out of 3 isn't nearly as cool as 3rd place out of 16.

I guess what the D1 room needs is enough guys (beyond the first three) that can have a decent battle amongst themselves when the fast guys run away and hide. The D2 room has plenty of that but the D1 doesn't...so it's no fun for the guys racing for 4th place.

Just rambling...

There are good points here and I generally agree. The more I think about it I feel it's going to be more even actually and if not, actually a tad heavier on the D1 side.

 

[IceWarden]

There are good points here and I generally agree. The more I think about it I feel it's going to be more even actually and if not, actually a tad heavier on the D1 side.

Yep. The D1 room needs 10-12 and the D2 room could still operate with a high fun quotient at 6-8 if necessary.

The D1 4th place battlers are still going to get tired of it though...not sure how long they'd hang around if subjected to it for too long.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

The answer is we need to recruit some more guys. The disparity in speed will be there with 1 or 2 divisions. Won't be until we have at least 3 where things even out a bit more.

As for me, I'm having fun when I Have someone to race and don't care a great deal about position at this point. This is the most enjoyable racing I've had in a long time. I know I'm not that good so the pressure is off I guess.

 

[irmopars]

We had several faster guys here at one point, OneSpace, Von_Slam_Stone, Difffen/griffen (or something like that for 1 night), and dgaf but they left for one reason or another.

There have been nights where Sgeti, Austin, or Mike are battling with the "top 3" all night, but that doesnt always happen.
I could care less about finishing first, i'd be happy finishing mid-pack as long as the racing was enjoyable. No one likes racing alone all night, no matter if your in first or last. Which is why i tend to drop back and have some good battles with everyone if GTR or Cardahs doesnt show up. I've spun, and finished around 6th, but the racing was enjoyable. Thats why i come back every week. I believe it was 2 weeks ago, Joe was saying how he had a blast with me being behind him and having to make me fight for it, and i ended up catching Zii with about 3 laps to go for the lead.

I know we are trying to find a happy medium while we get more people to stick around, but its absolutely no fun at all with just 3 people in a room for 2 hours of racing. I also see the flip side of "The best i'll ever get is 4th".

In the real world some series will "penalize" the fast guys with added ballast weight or reduced restrictor plates. While we cant change the ballast we can close up the restrictor plates making the "top 3" cars slower, but then that would mean getting rid of the default setups. It would rely on our honor system for those to not change any setups and only the guys restricting to make the change.
And Lessen, while i know no one's twisting our arms, i embrace starting from the back (or the reverse grid, which can be followed in the thread linked a few pages back).

Sorry im one of the quicker ones, but i have tried and succeeded in helping others improve their times for race night.

 

[McTrucker]

Yes, we had some fine battles last night. 👍

Just a quick soapbox speech on the lobby count... The moment it is decided to become complacent with something, complancency takes over. The goal of SNAIL SPEC Racing has always been to provide close competitive racing. In order to continually improve on that, we must grow. However, we cannot grow to 24 if we can't grow to 18, and we cannot grow to 18 if we become complacent with a single full lobby.

I know I had previously stated we would stay at whatever lobby count we started, but in hindsight I would be willing to admit THAT was a bit of a premature standard. We can't stick to that standard quite yet, but we MUST make attempts to grow every week. If it's two lobbies for 17 drivers, that's just the way it has to be.

Failure begins when trying ends.

I have an idea about your two room approach. in the old Tuesday night race car League they would have qualifying and those people with high enough qualifying times made it into the race.

Instead of cutting those people who do not qualify, split the room, putting fastest guys in a bigger room. Maybe 2/3 & 1/3rd.

It will give the best drivers a bigger room .
And, it will push us slower guys to try and make it into the big room, and it will take the pressure off of guys who don't have enough experience.

As the league grows we can equal it out more. And it will grow! We just need to have an encouraging reason to show up. The great thing about Sundays for me was trying to get better and make it up the latter.

 

[FlipJ]

Sorry im one of the quicker ones, but i have tried and succeeded in helping others improve their times for race night.

I think the way to go is not to slow the fast guys, but make sure the rest speeds up to catch them.
For that, help from the fast guys is invaluable and you do that brilliantly, Mopar, along with our other über fast guys, so I for one don't want your apologies, I want you to run as fast as you can and I will keep getting to get faster to one day catch you (no matter how far that day may seem).

 

[Lessen]

Thanks for the input @McTrucker

There's one major problem with qualifying for divisions. Legitimacy of points battles. If an average guy like myself gets an great lap and gets put into a higher division for just one race night, the points battles he/she are involved in are now invalid because they have not raced each other the entire season. This is part of the reason why the Sunday series rightfully keeps drivers locked into a division for a full season.

 

[McTrucker]

Good point.
@Lessen
a qualifying lap would put the fastest drivers in division 1 so they would get more points.

I know in formula 1 and moto G P and other racing leagues, only the top finishing places gets points. So, maybe have division 1 locked up for a season with 12 dedicated fast drivers. Then if someone shows promise in the lower division they can move up next season.

Division 2 Can have its own points also. but, I still think division 1 should be the bigger room

 

[Mike Lobban]

I use the conical brake mod on long throw, but have installed a couple of different density rubber pads onto the brake arm that connect with the cone when pressed. This gives resistance on the travel all the way down to the cone. I am finally happy with my pro's.

Schmiggz, thanks for the advice. But after 11 days, I think I have it beat. Tobacco is my main enemy, I wish I have never met a cigarette. Time to buy a vaporizer for the wacky. But not yet. I want to go 30 days at least.

Zil.......👍, I think.
Sgeti......👍, I know
GR8Bish..... I fart in your general direction.
I feel much better today, Dolly is talking to me again. Oh boy, might be getting some cheeze from her tonight.

 

[aerolite]

I use the conical brake mod on long throw, but have installed a couple of different density rubber pads onto the brake arm that connect with the cone when pressed. This gives resistance on the travel all the way down to the cone. I am finally happy with my pro's.

Schmiggz, thanks for the advice. But after 11 days, I think I have it beat. Tobacco is my main enemy, I wish I have never met a cigarette. Time to buy a vaporizer for the wacky. But not yet. I want to go 30 days at least.

Zil.......👍, I think.
Sgeti......👍, I know
GR8Bish..... I fart in your general direction.
I feel much better today, Dolly is talking to me again. Oh boy, might be getting some cheeze from her tonight.

In all the years I've known you, that selfie avatar has to be the downright ugliest I've ever seen you, I mean, your ugly anyways, but that's just scary looking! No wonder Dolly came running home last week!

 

[FlipJ]

Good point.
@Lessen
a qualifying lap would put the fastest drivers in division 1 so they would get more points.

I know in formula 1 and moto G P and other racing leagues, only the top finishing places gets points. So, maybe have division 1 locked up for a season with 12 dedicated fast drivers. Then if someone shows promise in the lower division they can move up next season.

Division 2 Can have its own points also. but, I still think division 1 should be the bigger room

This is a good idea, don't know how hard it would be on Lessen to keep tabs on everything if there are moving parts.

@Lessen, once we get more 4-5 regulars, this all goes away because we will need 2 rooms anyway, but until we get there, I volunteer myself to go to whatever room, without the need to score points, because I just want to race and have fun, I don't care about points and season standings (since I'm not going to win anyway).

 

[Zii1993]

Was the last race the end of the season?

 

[Lessen]

Was the last race the end of the season?

Yes. 👍

If there are no further discrepancies with the game's scoring I will post full season results later today.

As a heads up, I'm close to wrapping up a TT procedure for future applicants. I will also need all current drivers who wish to compete to run/submit a TT. The S11 division split will be largely dependent on recent event performance just as the Sunday series does. It's not an exact science, but hopefully the TT will give me a solid baseline to gauge things.

 

[Schmiggz]

I can't believe you took me off that 4th place Lessen!
If you watch the replay you'll see that I'm running alone and my power went down 10 metres away from the finish line.
Don't you think it would be only fair to give me that position?
That's what AOR leagues do... Any uncontrolable disconnection after 50% of the last lap completed, racer holds position.

 

[Zii1993]

I can't believe you took me off that 4th place Lessen!
If you watch the replay you'll see that I'm running alone and my power went down 10 metres away from the finish line.
Don't you think it would be only fair to give me that position?
That's what AOR leagues do... Any uncontrolable disconnection after 50% of the last lap completed, racer holds position.

I can confirm that you were there right up till the end.

I can not however understand how 50% laps completed retains your position would be a good thing. Cause then you can have two 1st place finishers and so on down the field. Also it's not impossible or really even that hard to fake a dc. So one could potentially run just over 45 mins in PSEC and be considered 1st in class but they were battling with strategy.

 

[Schmiggz]

I can confirm that you were there right up till the end.

I can not however understand how 50% laps completed retains your position would be a good thing. Cause then you can have two 1st place finishers and so on down the field. Also it's not impossible or really even that hard to fake a dc. So one could potentially run just over 45 mins in PSEC and be considered 1st in class but they were battling with strategy.

Read Zii... Read! 50% of the LAST lap completed.

 

[Cardahs]

Hmm but you could have span, gone off track etc for the other 50%, it is not your guaranteed position before you d/c not really sure how I feel about that rule.

 

[FlipJ]

Hmm but you could have span, gone off track etc for other 50%, it is not your guaranteed position before you d/c not really sure how I feel about that rule.

Depends on the track. 50% of the Nordschleife or Le Sarthe or Silverstone leaves you with a ton of pitfalls before the flag.
Others are less dangerous towards the end.
But making rules based on which track you're on would be all sorts of wrong and lead to issues.

 

[Zii1993]

Read Zii... Read! 50% of the LAST lap completed.

Ah makes a lot more sense. Maybe I should get my glasses looked at.

 

[swjaxon]

We had several faster guys here at one point, OneSpace, Von_Slam_Stone, Difffen/griffen (or something like that for 1 night), and dgaf but they left for one reason or another.

There have been nights where Sgeti, Austin, or Mike are battling with the "top 3" all night, but that doesnt always happen.
I could care less about finishing first, i'd be happy finishing mid-pack as long as the racing was enjoyable. No one likes racing alone all night, no matter if your in first or last. Which is why i tend to drop back and have some good battles with everyone if GTR or Cardahs doesnt show up. I've spun, and finished around 6th, but the racing was enjoyable. Thats why i come back every week. I believe it was 2 weeks ago, Joe was saying how he had a blast with me being behind him and having to make me fight for it, and i ended up catching Zii with about 3 laps to go for the lead.

I know we are trying to find a happy medium while we get more people to stick around, but its absolutely no fun at all with just 3 people in a room for 2 hours of racing. I also see the flip side of "The best i'll ever get is 4th".

In the real world some series will "penalize" the fast guys with added ballast weight or reduced restrictor plates. While we cant change the ballast we can close up the restrictor plates making the "top 3" cars slower, but then that would mean getting rid of the default setups. It would rely on our honor system for those to not change any setups and only the guys restricting to make the change.
And Lessen, while i know no one's twisting our arms, i embrace starting from the back (or the reverse grid, which can be followed in the thread linked a few pages back).

Sorry im one of the quicker ones, but i have tried and succeeded in helping others improve their times for race night.

I have been one of the ones that has benefited from @irmopars lessons,I agree with others,I would rather try to get faster than to slow the fast guys down,I for one have never cared about winning as long as I'm racing with someone,I can ride around by myself without being online

 

[ErickGaToRR]

Hey fellas,

Last night's provisional results. If there are any further discrepencies please feel free to let me know and I'll look into it and make any corrections necessary.

Note: Aerolite and Oshawa-Joe should be flipped as Oshawa's best finish of 6th trumps Aero's best finish of 8th.

Note2: @Zii1993 Neener Neener

@irmopars great job on your win bro

 

[ErickGaToRR]

Everyone stupid question what does IMO stand for?

 

[Lessen]

I can't believe you took me off that 4th place Lessen!
If you watch the replay you'll see that I'm running alone and my power went down 10 metres away from the finish line.
Don't you think it would be only fair to give me that position?
That's what AOR leagues do... Any uncontrolable disconnection after 50% of the last lap completed, racer holds position.

Which race is that Schmiggz? It sounds like that's a pretty clear situation. I'll take a look.

FWIW though... this is not AOR. We have a policy for these kind of issues. I'll take a look at it and if it looks like you "blew an engine" coming to the checkers I'll score what is most logical in that scenario.

 

[Lessen]

Everyone stupid question what does IMO stand for?

In My Opinion. 👍

 

[ErickGaToRR]

In My Opinion. 👍

Sweet thank you

 

[Schmiggz]

Which race is that Schmiggz? It sounds like that's a pretty clear situation. I'll take a look.

FWIW though... this is not AOR. We have a policy for these kind of issues. I'll take a look at it and if it looks like you "blew an engine" coming to the checkers I'll score what is most logical in that scenario.

Scion race 2