10 reasons why Ferrari Challenge is better than GT5P

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I can understand "Tenacious D"'s comments about the racing view. Personally I found the bonnet cam OK in Ferrari Challenge but I can understand that some will not like it. I too like GTR Evolution, and have found it so much better than GTR 1 and 2.

Having said all of that I have found Ferrari Challenge fairly realistic (I haven't driven a Ferrari but I do own a mid-engine car in real life). I find the over-steer to be reasonable and fairly easy to catch (I haven't driven in the rain yet), in fact it feels a lot like GTR-E to me!

I can imagine that not feeling in the right place in the car can muck it all up, I can't drive any game in chase view, it's like trying to play darts left handed :-) I learnt to drive in a right hand drive car and only later drove left hand drive cars. The first day out I kerbed the car whilst parking as my psychological picture of the car was all wrong!

As these games are all simulations they end up using other methods to give us information which, for example, we'd feel through our backsides in real life. So, I suppose some will find these methods work and others will not. So far (I've had GT5P for more than a year and FC for a few weeks), I've found the FFB helps me feel the over-steer much better than GT5P, which is making the game fun. On the other side is the dead spot on the wheel, which is a nuisance but hasn't ruined the game so far.
 
Mad Matt
I can understand "Tenacious D"'s comments about the racing view. Personally I found the bonnet cam OK in Ferrari Challenge but I can understand that some will not like it. I too like GTR Evolution, and have found it so much better than GTR 1 and 2.

Having said all of that I have found Ferrari Challenge fairly realistic (I haven't driven a Ferrari but I do own a mid-engine car in real life). I find the over-steer to be reasonable and fairly easy to catch (I haven't driven in the rain yet), in fact it feels a lot like GTR-E to me!

I can imagine that not feeling in the right place in the car can muck it all up, I can't drive any game in chase view, it's like trying to play darts left handed :-) I learnt to drive in a right hand drive car and only later drove left hand drive cars. The first day out I kerbed the car whilst parking as my psychological picture of the car was all wrong!

As these games are all simulations they end up using other methods to give us information which, for example, we'd feel through our backsides in real life. So, I suppose some will find these methods work and others will not. So far (I've had GT5P for more than a year and FC for a few weeks), I've found the FFB helps me feel the over-steer much better than GT5P, which is making the game fun. On the other side is the dead spot on the wheel, which is a nuisance but hasn't ruined the game so far.
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About views: I use bumper cam in GT5P (That's the cam I always used since GT3), but the bumper cam in FC is positioned too low, so if you get yourself behind another car you get blinded. Therefore, in FC, I use bonnet-cam. Cockpit views are nice I guess, but they restrict my field of view and I don't like that (and also viewing two wheels and two pairs of hands). The TV screen is the windshield for me, and that's all I want to see there.


About physics: I think GT5P and FC are quite evenly matched, with different strenghs and weaknesses here. However, FC clearly wins (my oppinion, of course) in the feedback department, and that's why I feel the "driving experience" with FC more enjoyable. You "feel" more.

However, both games have a looong way to go and, as someone once wrote in these forums, indeed the grass is greener elsewhere. This weekend I tried for the first time GTR Evolution, using the PC as I use the PS3 (meaning, with the G25/playseat combo and the LCD TV big screen displaying the game) and I must say the driving experience, the physics, the wheel feedback, the sound ... whatever ... are WAY ahead of both my loved PS3 driving games.

btw, I was amazed at the online activity for that game. The lobbies list yesterday afternoon had ... 250+ lobbies open. I didn't even know that there were so many people playing racing games in the world! :eek:
 
Completely agree about the view, my brain "removes" the dashboard when I'm driving and all I really see is the view from the windscreen.

I think the GT5P bonnet/bumper view is better for my money.

As I say, I liked GTR-E but I didn't feel it was that much better, although I only played it for an evening at a mates house. The only thing I really didn't like was the Koenigsegg, it just felt all wrong (not that I've ever driven a real one). My overall impression was that it was similar to Ferrari Challenge in many ways.
 
Mad Matt
The only thing I really didn't like was the Koenigsegg, it just felt all wrong (not that I've ever driven a real one).
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Yeah, all the road cars feel wrong, did you drive the R8 aswell? There is little difference than being in the FIA GT cars.
 
Mad Matt
I can understand "Tenacious D"'s comments about the racing view. Personally I found the bonnet cam OK in Ferrari Challenge but I can understand that some will not like it. I too like GTR Evolution, and have found it so much better than GTR 1 and 2.

Having said all of that I have found Ferrari Challenge fairly realistic (I haven't driven a Ferrari but I do own a mid-engine car in real life). I find the over-steer to be reasonable and fairly easy to catch (I haven't driven in the rain yet), in fact it feels a lot like GTR-E to me!

I can imagine that not feeling in the right place in the car can muck it all up, I can't drive any game in chase view, it's like trying to play darts left handed :-) I learnt to drive in a right hand drive car and only later drove left hand drive cars. The first day out I kerbed the car whilst parking as my psychological picture of the car was all wrong!

As these games are all simulations they end up using other methods to give us information which, for example, we'd feel through our backsides in real life. So, I suppose some will find these methods work and others will not. So far (I've had GT5P for more than a year and FC for a few weeks), I've found the FFB helps me feel the over-steer much better than GT5P, which is making the game fun. On the other side is the dead spot on the wheel, which is a nuisance but hasn't ruined the game so far.
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I have both GTR2 and Evo although I much prefer the former. Other the Nordschliefe, you also get AWD car (Audi R8) with the Evo. With GTR2 however, it's all RWD. The Ferraris in GTR2 especially the 550 Maranello is just beyond reproach- it's probably the best Ferrari simulation ever. It makes the one in FC feels like a toy- and the 550 in FC is probably one of the worst car in the game- there's no sense of real weight to it and for a V12 car, it feels very anemic. Unfortunately, you don't get Ferraris in GTR Evo. While I love FC, and some of the cars feel absolutely stunning- the 348 and 355, the 360 Modena and it GT variant, the F40 and even the FXX. But the F430 Challenge, the V12s 550 and 575 never quite cut it for me. The steering and the FFB in GTR Evo is few notch above that of FC both in term of feel and also when it comes to setup. I still insist that if you want the best simulation, GTR2 is the way to go.
 
I can't remember which other cars I tried (although I'm pretty sure we did try the R8) and we spent the whole evening racing in Istanbul so I'll try and get myself an invite and play some more :-)

I never felt comfortable with GTR or GTR2 although I mostly played these with my DFGT wheel on my PC, so perhaps it's a problem with the wheel. I spent hours at Spa trying to get it right but it just didn't work for me.
 
I find it very hard to drive the FC cars. In fact the Ferrari's in GT5 Prologue are much easier to drive. I can win at Suzuka with any Ferrari in GT5P, but cannot win anywhere in FC with the same cars.
 
myke6699
While I love FC, and some of the cars feel absolutely stunning- the 348 and 355, the 360 Modena and it GT variant, the F40 and even the FXX. But the F430 Challenge, the V12s 550 and 575 never quite cut it for me.
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This is intresting, because in my book it is quite the opposite.

I really can't stand what they did to 360GT because it is the most forgivable car ever, and it drives like on rails. F40 and FXX are also to easy to handle when you take into account the technology of F40 and sheer P2W ratio of FXX.

Both 550GT and 575GTC are "driver's heaven" of FC in my book and those two cars are the best showcase how high-powered/low-weighted FR race cars should be handled in any driving game..

Extreme torque on low shifts, insane acceleration, pin-point precission needed in handling in high speeds, extreme caution you have to apply during braking and maximum concentration needed for handling through corners in order to achieve maxximum. But when you learn how to tame those V12 babies, heaven opens..

Rain sessions on Villenuve Circuit with my buddies will remain far the best moments of FC..
 
Well, Amar, you really know how to make people want to go and buy the game :cool: if I had doubts about FC after this I haven't :lol:
 
amar212
This is intresting, because in my book it is quite the opposite.

I really can't stand what they did to 360GT because it is the most forgivable car ever, and it drives like on rails. F40 and FXX are also to easy to handle when you take into account the technology of F40 and sheer P2W ratio of FXX.

Both 550GT and 575GTC are "driver's heaven" of FC in my book and those two cars are the best showcase how high-powered/low-weighted FR race cars should be handled in any driving game..

Extreme torque on low shifts, insane acceleration, pin-point precission needed in handling in high speeds, extreme caution you have to apply during braking and maximum concentration needed for handling through corners in order to achieve maxximum. But when you learn how to tame those V12 babies, heaven opens..

Rain sessions on Villenuve Circuit with my buddies will remain far the best moments of FC..
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amar, I think mike was referring to the road versions of the 550 and 575, and those cars are definitely wrong in my view.

I agree with what you say about the 550 GT and the 575 GTC. They're both great, challenging, cars to drive, the 550 GT is more "human" and "tame-able", the 575 GTC is a beast, but very rewarding when you master all that power and torque (in fact, as you probably know, I chose the 575 GTC for Round 3 of the FC Edition of ROC ... at Silverstone ... wet! :D )
 
No, so no old -school "Miami Vice" there ;)

The Daytona appears in its race version, the Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Competizione. Quite a handfull also, heavy front-placed engine, light rear with 70's tyres and lots of power. Good for drifters:


This one:


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Yesterday i bought FC and the first thing i did was but it on "ebay for sale" see if someones buys it for a higher price then i bought it. If within a week nothing happens, then ill keep it and play it.

Chris 👍
 
The "Demo" or " Prologue" thing is BS. There no such a US$40.00 Demo with two + years between Demo and full game release. My theory is that being GT the standard for Sim-racing on Play Station, seems like PD learned about FC was coming with excellent physics. So PD decided to rename the game to be able to justify their weakness compared to FC, while leaving the door open for improvements.

MY COMPARISON:

Physics: FC (best feeling of weight distribution)
Graphics: GT5P (by far)
Sound: FC (not by much, the whistle sound when braking gives the edge over GT5P))
Soundtrack: I don't know, I never listen to music when racing.
Game Play: FC (better feeling overall while racing)
Menu: GT5P (FC looks for kids)
Set-up input: None (both sucks at this)
Online: I don't know, I haven't tried yet.
 
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Ferrari Challenge wasnt even fix when they announced GT5 Prologue.
So PD decided to rename the game to be able to justify their weakness compared to FC
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Best joke ive heard this year! 👍
 
Christhedude
Yesterday i bought FC and the first thing i did was but it on "ebay for sale" see if someones buys it for a higher price then i bought it. If within a week nothing happens, then ill keep it and play it.

Chris 👍
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Try it while the bidding goes on, you might regret it later if you don't.-
 
mofongo273
seems like PD learned about FC was coming with excellent physics. So PD decided to rename the game to be able to justify their weakness compared to FC, while leaving the door open for improvements.
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:lol:


So what was GT4P's excuse then?
 
Yesterday I ordered FC with Amazon.co.uk for a louzy PST15, total €26 incl. P&P which sounds like a fair deal.
You guys heard of the release of Supercar Challenge in the coming months and that it should be the successor of FC?
 
PD decided to rename the game to be able to justify their weakness compared to FC, while leaving the door open for improvements.
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I assume he's joking!

It's pretty obvious KY is a perfectionist & is perfectly happy taking as long as necessary to work on his latest creation. Prologue is a taste of GT5 thrown out to support the PS3 & keep GT fans faithful. I hope the long wait is worth it & PD finally delivers everything GT fans have been waiting for: great physics, great AI, great online, damage, weather, the usual great graphics & huge quantity of cars & tracks etc. The one thing I would like to see from FC is the feel of the FFB, which is the thing that sets FC apart IMO.
 
bigracer
Yesterday I ordered FC with Amazon.co.uk for a louzy PST15, total €26 incl. P&P which sounds like a fair deal.
You guys heard of the release of Supercar Challenge in the coming months and that it should be the successor of FC?
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Yep, some beta tester posted this on youtube. Check them before they're removed by request of eutechnyx or system3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNORDduJeQc - DBR9 at Nurburgring GP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqyIPIB69co - DBR9 at Spa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4QhHcNR8hE - Ferrari Enzo at Spa
 
I've noticed GT5P is like a religion for some. I got bad news, it is not.
Quotes should be taken from the beginning of the sentence, not half way through. The whole sentence was: "My theory is that being GT the standard for Sim-racing on Play Station, seems like PD learned about FC was coming with excellent physics." This is a hypothetical-guessing scenario. I could have rephrase it better but I wrote it during my work ours plus English is not my 1st. language (I use this forums to exercise my writing), my boss would be very unhappy if he learns that I'm blogging instead of working.

I've been playing GT since the very first demo came out for PS1. I love this franchise to death. In my personal opinion, offline FC is much more exciting to play than the US$40.00 GT5P "demo." If people want to argue that GT5P is better racing experience than FC, fine, but you better wait until the full version comes out, your judgment shouldn't be based on how good it is going to be (in the future) instead of how good it is (present). In my personal opinion, as they stand right now, FC offers a better, more exciting racing experience than its counterpart.

FC has 4 major flaws that I care about: 1) Way too arcadish looking menus; 2) Awful inside-cockpit graphics; 3) extremely limited setup flexibilities; and the worst of all 4) huge dead zone (could be improved by adjusting Stability Control). GT5P excels over FC on all but 1 of this features.
 
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I've noticed GT5P is like a religion for some. I got bad news, it is not.

I've been playing GT since the very first demo came out for PS1. I love this franchise to death. In my personal opinion, offline FC is much more exciting to play than the US$40.00 GT5P "demo." If people want to argue that GT5P is better racing experience than FC, fine, but you better wait until the full version comes out, your judgment shouldn't be based on how good it is going to be (in the future) instead of how good it is (present). In my personal opinion, as they stand right now, FC offers a better, more exciting racing experience than its counterpart.
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Well you won't get any argument from me - my whole point was, that overall, FC may be a better game than Prologue, but that the GT faithful :bowdown: refuse to worship at the altar of false idols.

However, I don't believe for a minute that PD intended GT5P to be the full GT5 until FC came along & forced them call it "Prologue".

When you come to play FC online, you will discover that FC has another, very significant flaw: online frame-rate stutter. So while FC does offer a very enjoyable online mode, with much better functionality than GT5P, it is not as crisp & (generally) lag-free as GT5P.
 
Biggles
However, I don't believe for a minute that PD intended GT5P to be the full GT5 until FC came along & forced them call it "Prologue".
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I'm almost certain that PD didn't add the name "Prologue" because of FC, (again, I made a hypothetical statement when I wrote my comment) I'm sure they were more concerned about other Racing sims already on the market. I felt disappointed for the short list of options given on GT5P. Also, there is no official release date for the full Game. I find this very annoying.
 
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Hun200kmh
Yep, some beta tester posted this on youtube. Check them before they're removed by request of eutechnyx or system3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNORDduJeQc - DBR9 at Nurburgring GP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqyIPIB69co - DBR9 at Spa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4QhHcNR8hE - Ferrari Enzo at Spa
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Difference to GT5:P:
- Physics are bad, very bad (no oversteer, never?)
- The sound is much better than in GT5
- The camera movement is also better than in GT5

So, just put these sounds and the incar movement into GT5, and it'll be the best racing game so far!
 
well i´ve just tried it and its not that impresive asi i thougt. it is missing that SOMETHING that GT has
 
Rash-182
well i´ve just tried it and its not that impresive asi i thougt. it is missing that SOMETHING that GT has
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I bought this junker in late April for $10 at Best Buy. I started 'playing' it on May 8, and earned my Platinum Trophy on May 19. I will never touch this awful excuse of a 'racing' game again. There are still way too many glitches even with Patch 2.02, half of the very few cars available cannot be properly controlled with a DFP, the so-called A.D.D. is atrocious, and the game is simply not any fun at all.

A.D.D.=Artificial Dumbass Drivers
 

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