2008 European Grand Prix

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Rainmaster
Hamilton is pushing too hard. He did a lot of mistakes and he went out of track most of times. pushing hard his tyres aswell. I think he wont be able to finish the race.
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I'll second that. I think he's far too aggresive - especially off the line - and with such a slippery surface, it could wreak havoc.
 
I think you guys are playing far too much into this aggressiveness bit. Monaco, even dry, is also one of the most slippery tracks there are - and that didn't stop Hamilton from winning once in the wet (even slipperier), and being right on the winner's tail another time. Hamilton is only on his second year, but I think he's proven himself to be a great adapter to low-grip conditions.
 
Ardius
Oh, and apparently they're switching the grid positions...
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=35710
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Well I didn't really get the point in why they do that. Maybe they want the poll sitter to have a better line and more grip for the start, but I think it doesn't matter that much to me. Anyways, what happens to the pole sitter now? Is all the car shuffle back a spot and Massa now starts pole from the 2nd place grid slot? Or do they start opposite to their grid position? (for example, Massa would start from the right side of the grid parallel to the original grid position)

Also I was just wondering, is this allowed on only new circuits or do the FIA have the rights to change grid slot on any circuit if they feel like it?
 
Only on new circuits, according to the regulations.

What happens? They all shuffle back a spot: Massa starts from 2nd place, Hamilton from 3rd, and so on. They want the pole-sitter to have the superior line for obvious reasons. Watch Massa's Hungaroring launch - he was on the grippier side, and Kovalainen had to watch helplessly as Massa shot forward.
 
Metar
Watch Massa's Hungaroring launch - he was on the grippier side, and Kovalainen had to watch helplessly as Massa shot forward.
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It shouldn't be anything to dol with competitiveness, though that's how it appears. It was decided by a FIA safety delegate. Though I can see the logic, and the pole sitter on the dirty side would probably lead to more cars ending up side-to-side.
 
DOH :(
Massa has the good side but Vettel the bad, wouldn't be surprised if he was 8th or 9th by the end of the lap, he doesnt do starts too well.
 
Alex.
DOH :(
Massa has the good side but Vettel the bad, wouldn't be surprised if he was 8th or 9th by the end of the lap, he doesnt do starts too well.
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Bahrain and Hockenheim were good. He passed three cars in Bahrain, but his race didn't last long. And he passed Webber at Hockenheim and nearly passed Raikkonen.
 
Pole position should be on the side of the track that gives the best entry into the first corner. That happens to be on the racing line most times, so the pole sitter will usually have more grip than the guy in 2nd. Most of the odd numbered positions will have more grip than the even positions, unless the starting grid is on a straight that the cars "diagonal" across.

The FIA only say...

The top ten positions will be occupied by the cars which took part in Q3, the fastest from the position on the grid which was the pole position in the previous year or, on a new circuit, has been designated as such by the FIA safety delegate.
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Cheers Daan 👍

Peter, I was on holiday for the Hockenheim race, but I remember his starts at the 4 gps he retired from, and silverstone where he dropped about 3 places and then got nudged off by DC.

I CAN WAIT NO LONGER START THE RACE NAO :lol:
I'm really anxious wayching how do the drivers feel?

Grid is lined up and GO!
 
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Bram Turismo
And Toyota's flying. Epically. Go Glock, Go!
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I think he could well swiftly silence the Doubting Thomases who say he was the best in a mediocre GP2 field. Sure, he's had some teething problems like that wipeout at Albert Park, but this race and last have shown that he can drive with the best of hem.
 
If they penalise Massa for this I will personally stroll through the front door of the FIA with a flamethrower. It was not in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER Massa's fault.
 
If so this is really going to suck, and I'm heading to the flamethrower shop.

Trulli also needs to break down.
edit: After race investigation.
 
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Alex.
If they penalise Massa for this I will personally stroll through the front door of the FIA with a flamethrower. It was not in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER Massa's fault.
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It's going to be "investigated after the race".

Either way, it doesn't matter if it's his fault. If the car isn't to spec it's hardly his fault either.
 
Tired Tyres
It doesn't have to be the driver's fault. It's a TEAM sport.
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True, and so far it seems both Massa and Raikkenon would do way better without their team messing up pretty much all they could this evening.

Edit:Hope the fueler is ok but he did get a big knock on his head form the tire/rear wing, I know he was wearing a helmet but I don like the way his head was twisted so violently.
 

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