2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery

[Dave A]

Definetly not around 80k then. Think it would start at about 60k in england. Newspaper got my hopes up

Why not $80k, I tihnk that's a reasonable guiesstimate for the base GT-R's price in the US. Jiust because it will be £60k over here, that's no clear indication of how it will be priced anywhere else, except it will be cheaper in most places. In Japan the R34 GT-R cost the equivelent of around £26k, the R34 GT-R went on sale here for £55k. What you do, is you take the Japanese price, you take off Japanese tax, then you convert it into USD, then you add US tax, that doesn't give you the exact price, but it will give you an idea of the price bracket it should be in. Converting the full UK price, UK taxes included is not only using the wrong exchange rate for aJapanese car, but you've left UK taxes in the mix as well.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

I can't see the tread because it way to dark to distinguish anything.




You have proof of this?

too dark yes very convenient dont you think? and you would still be able to make out the tread at the top of the wheel where the light is but you cant, and since when did street tyres have white writing on the side?



www.google.com

 

[Jay]

www.google.com

You want me to go to google when you make a claim? Poverty?

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

You want me to go to google when you make a claim? Poverty?

why are you to lazy to research for yourself?

 

[Joey D]

You made the claim, therefore you must provide proof of said claim when you are called on it.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

You made the claim, therefore you must provide proof of said claim when you are called on it.

no i said nissan claimed the 7:59 time,wasnt anything "claimed" about the statement he quoted.

 

[Joey D]

You still have to cite a source, just putting "nissan said" in front of a statement doesn't make it true. You need to show us where you got your information from, it's the way the forum works.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

it's the way the forum works.

i know how the forum works just hate the laziness of some people that cant be bothered to go to google and type skyline laptime nurburgring then enter.

if they did they would have found.

7.38* -- 161.628 km/h -- Nissan R34 GT-R, *company test driver Suzuki, slick cut tyres, track partially wet

7.38.56* - 161.578 km/h -- Nissan R32 GT-R *slick cut tyres

7:59* -- 154.822 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R (*free of the speed limiter standard on UK versions, so it was discounted)

8:01.72 153.984 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")

8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS Han Stuck

i remember cut slicks on the skyline options list,it was right under the saturn V booster engine wasnt it?

also during testing a production spec gtr was clocking 7:55 now its 7:38......righto

 

[Dave A]

You don't know half the facts about that GT-R, 7'38 is exceptionally fast, I'd expect the stock GT-R to run under 7'50. We don't know if that time was done by a test mule for the V-Spec or the Evolution (I ithnk that's what it's called). Bottom line, wait for the facts, they will speak for themselves.

As for the way the forum works, if you want to present a case, it is up to you to provide the information to support your argument, not the other way round. That's how any debate worth it's weight in salt works.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Bottom line, wait for the facts, they will speak for themselves.

yes......yes they do

HONED AT THE 'RING

GTR chief engineer Kazutoshi Mizuno told PistonHeads that his baby had covered over 3000 miles at the Nordschleife and avoided other circuits as they were deemed 'too easy'.

Nissan's original target was to beat the 911 Turbo at the 'ring but they ended up worrying the Porsche Carrera GT.

They didn't beat the GT's 7min 32sec lap time, but got a 7.38 in semi-wet conditions.

'We used cut slick tyres' said Mizuno.

'I was not interested in full slick times as this bears no resemblance to a road tyre. 1.2G of force was being pulled in wet and over 2 in dry'.

 

[forza2.0]

Why not $80k, I tihnk that's a reasonable guiesstimate for the base GT-R's price in the US. Jiust because it will be £60k over here, that's no clear indication of how it will be priced anywhere else, except it will be cheaper in most places. In Japan the R34 GT-R cost the equivelent of around £26k, the R34 GT-R went on sale here for £55k. What you do, is you take the Japanese price, you take off Japanese tax, then you convert it into USD, then you add US tax, that doesn't give you the exact price, but it will give you an idea of the price bracket it should be in. Converting the full UK price, UK taxes included is not only using the wrong exchange rate for aJapanese car, but you've left UK taxes in the mix as well.

That was a typo I meant to write 40k.

Sorry


P.S

I reckon the automotor and sport guys WONT get the GTR round the ring in under 7.50mins

 

[YSSMAN]

My guess is that in completely stock trim, the "average" non-EVO model will likely do about the same as what a 911 Turbo or Corvette Z06 (pre-suspension changes) would do... Probably between 7:45-8:00.

 

[Leonidae]

I'm more willing to believe that the 7'35 was done with the cut slicks, whereas the 7'38 was done with stock tyres..

Tires
As befits a very special car, so the tires for the Nissan GT-R are unique, specially developed for Nissan's flagship. The tires offer an extraordinary combination of high-speed balance, high-grip cornering on the world's most testing racing circuits (such as the Nürburgring), great traction in the rain plus pliant comfort in the city. The tires' run-flat structures allow for 80 km (50 miles) of driving at 80 km/h (50 mph) - an amazing achievement.

Specially developed by Bridgestone and Dunlop, the tires have very stiff treads, essential for high-speed driving. They are also excellent at dissipating water, important for a car designed to perform equally well on smooth racing circuits or winter country roads.

Normally, run-flat tires have very hard sidewalls, essential for maintaining tire shape after a puncture. The Nissan GT-R's tires have unusually pliant sidewalls, improving steering, agility and ride comfort. They are filled with nitrogen rather than conventional air, which prevents pressure change during high speed driving.

The tires are 255/40ZRF20 front and larger 285/35ZRF20 rear. The 20-inch alloy wheel rims have special knurling better to secure the tires during especially hard acceleration or braking.

I admit that i don't know much about tires like this, but..

 

[Joey D]

My tires in my Blazer have nitrogen in them...it's something Bell Tire does for like $2 a tire.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

I'm more willing to believe that the 7'35 was done with the cut slicks, whereas the 7'38 was done with stock tyres..

you are kidding right? 3 seconds difference between road tyres and slicks over 12 miles? around knockhill its a 8-10 second difference over 1.3 miles! in an evo 7.

 

[Leonidae]

Then, do you have first hand experience of those tyres that are on GT-R? I already said that I don't know much about tyres.. anyway, all we can do is speculate until independent tests with non-biased drivers take place ( Jason Plato, Walter Röhrl for example..)

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Then, do you have first hand experience of those tyres that are on GT-R? I already said that I don't know much about tyres.. anyway, all we can do is speculate until independent tests with non-biased drivers take place ( Jason Plato, Walter Röhrl for example..)

but trying to say thata run flat road tyre would be within 3 seconds of a road tyre.it isnt a toyo R888 it cant do that.The test driver said they used cut slicks on the 7:38 lap,on the bridgestones it laps at 7:55.that is from the test driver.

 

[Leonidae]

"Mizuno claimed a time of 7minutes 38 seconds, compared with 7:43 for a Porsche 911 GT3 and 7:32 for a Carrera GT, but he was anxious to point out that there had been "two wet patches on the circuit." Indeed, he mentioned the "wet patches" so many times that you wondered why Nissan simply hadn't waited for a dry day. Mizuno reckoned that a time of around 7:30 should have been possible in the dry, but that going much faster would have required hand-cut slicks, which isn't "real world." Bizarrely, Nissan admitted to having different test drivers for different lapping. While Chief Test Driver Toshio Suzuki operates in the 7:30-7:40 range, his right-hand man is a 7:40-7:50 man."

there you go.. so now he has given two statements that that say the opposite..

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

there you go.. so now he has given two statements that that say the opposite..

no in your first statement he did not say it wasnt cut slicks which he did the time in and in that statement he says with cut slicks on a fully dry track it could do 7:30 but with the cut slicks in the damp it did 7:38.

 

[F1GTR]

Please at least use commas Andrew, because I really can't understand what your saying.

 

[Joey D]

Then, do you have first hand experience of those tyres that are on GT-R? I already said that I don't know much about tyres.. anyway, all we can do is speculate until independent tests with non-biased drivers take place ( Jason Plato, Walter Röhrl for example..)

Nitrogen tires really don't affect anything performance wise on the vehicle. They are meant to hold their pressure longer then air filed tires in different ambient outside air temperatures.

 

[Leonidae]

*click*

This sort of confirms what you said, but since the nitrogen also prevents the tyres from getting too hot, shouldn't it improve tyre life in performance oriented driving?

 

[Joey D]

It barely does anything, I've had my tires filled with nitrogen since late 2005 when I got the tires on my truck. I can't imagine it would be a huge advantage or really even noticeable under any type of driving condition.

 

[Kent]

Well...
A "Stock" GT-R hasn't been released yet, right? I suppose that means we can't really get into the worries of a few seconds or tenths of seconds trying to fit the GT-R in place with other "stock" lap times on the Ring.
Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate the value of the stock lap time comparison on the Ring.

However, at this point in time I feel it is more important to take these GT-R times as an indicator of what a GT-R will now be capable of doing. What I mean is, most cars you buy can easily be modified to go faster. Tires are one of the best places to make a difference since most cars don't come with the owners personal choice of tire (or the community's pick for best tire). Heck, some people can just buy a tire for that day. 👍

With that in mind, little differences in seconds between stock cars isn't very important. What's important is the change in the GT-R. Clearly we've entered a new age in the gentlemen's agreement (not that 280hp was ever a perfectly used standard)... Point is, we aren't talking about Skyline GT-Rs as 276 secret weapons anymore. Now a Skyline GT-R is going to be a whole new breed (maybe matched by the previous Z-Tune Skyline?).

Could it have been the introduction to the American market that changed the GT-R?
(Can't wait to hear the answers to that )

 

[ferrari_chris]

Nitrogen tires really don't affect anything performance wise on the vehicle. ...

They don't affect anything on the vehicle, true. But they do give the vehicle better performance.

 

[Joey D]

I really doubt that, I've driven with both air and nitrogen in my tires on the same vehicle and I can not tell one bit of difference. If there is a gain it's very minor.

 

[Dave A]

Mind you, your not driving a high end sportscar at it's limit so there is likely to be some benefit your not getting that they are. They wouldn't be doing it for no reason.

no in your first statement he did not say it wasnt cut slicks which he did the time in and in that statement he says with cut slicks on a fully dry track it could do 7:30 but with the cut slicks in the damp it did 7:38.

No, read the quote again. He said that a time of 7:30 would be possible in the dry, as is, but to go any faster than 7:30 would require cut slicks. Not that 7:30 would require them, or that they're on already. He is quite clearly suggesting that the tyres the car had fitted for that run, are the cars standard tyres. Ofcourse, he's not being 100% conclusive, but the suggestion there is that he is not using cut slicks to achieve that time.

Mizuno reckoned that a time of around 7:30 should have been possible in the dry, but that going much faster would have required hand-cut slicks, which isn't "real world."

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

No, read the quote again. He said that a time of 7:30 would be possible in the dry, as is, but to go any faster than 7:30 would require cut slicks. Not that 7:30 would require them, or that they're on already. He is quite clearly suggesting that the tyres the car had fitted for that run, are the cars standard tyres. Ofcourse, he's not being 100% conclusive, but the suggestion there is that he is not using cut slicks to achieve that time.

but he was considering he is QUOTED saying that the time WAS on cut slicks and the fact that the car was constantly lapping in the 7:55's then suddenly went to 7:38 proves it.

 

[Dave A]

I haven't seen any source for that quote. As for the time discrepancies, I don't know the detials beyond theri being two different people going out in car, I don't know if the slower time was the other guy or not. You very well might be right, I'm not satying the time is either here or there at the moment, just correcting you on what that quote was suggesting. But right or wrong, you need to quote a source.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

I haven't seen any source for that quote. As for the time discrepancies, I don't know the detials beyond theri being two different people going out in car, I don't know if the slower time was the other guy or not. You very well might be right, I'm not satying the time is either here or there at the moment, just correcting you on what that quote was suggesting. But right or wrong, you need to quote a source.

it says it in what i posted where its from,if you even watch the video you will see its the prototype car as well,unless they are already fitting car bra's to it.( at 55 seconds)

so a pre-production car on cut slicks.....nice one nissan.