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That's a really steep price. I'd rather have a vette. The vette looks wayyy better IMO.
2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery
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70k for the fastest car on the nurb is cheap if you ask me.
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Are there still going to be several levels of GT-Rs?
If so, have we found out which level has a price of 70k?
Further, do we know which level set the 7'38?
Personally, I don't think cars at the level we've been talking about should be compared primarily on Ring lap times. Fact is, this isn't some kind of OLR event where the fastest lap time makes the best car. This is real life where personal prefference makes all the difference. This concept shouldn't be foreign to any of you and I'm looking forward to hearing opinions of the GT-R that aren't based on the same old arguing already seen in this thread.
Personally, I'd love to see some real interior shots (since thats where I spend most of the time with a car I'm always interested in the interior being as spacious, handsome, and comfy as possible- of course a hardcore sports car will compramise some of those areas but it should ruin any of them.
If so, have we found out which level has a price of 70k?
Further, do we know which level set the 7'38?
Personally, I don't think cars at the level we've been talking about should be compared primarily on Ring lap times. Fact is, this isn't some kind of OLR event where the fastest lap time makes the best car. This is real life where personal prefference makes all the difference. This concept shouldn't be foreign to any of you and I'm looking forward to hearing opinions of the GT-R that aren't based on the same old arguing already seen in this thread.
Personally, I'd love to see some real interior shots (since thats where I spend most of the time with a car I'm always interested in the interior being as spacious, handsome, and comfy as possible- of course a hardcore sports car will compramise some of those areas but it should ruin any of them.
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- Yes there will be multiple levels of GT-R made available, I believe laid out as GT-R, GT-R V-Spec, and GT-R Evo. The US and European markets will only be receiving the first two, as I believe only the Japanese home market will bet getting the Evo model
- I'd assume that the $70K starting price was the "base" GT-R model
- My guess is that the "7:38" lap car was likely a GT-R Evo with the questionable tire choices. The extra power, lower weight, and altogether more "honed" experience likely made that lap time achievable.
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nah we arent talking about the GTR
then again if you wanna go that way the carrera gt was still faster.
I think Americans will be pissed that there's a better bang for the buck car than the Z06...opens up debate
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I think Americans will be pissed that there's a better bang for the buck car than the Z06...opens up debate
im from the uk.....a roush noble will own it
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The GT-R's in-car computer display in action:
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/11/17/video-nissan-gt-r-gran-turismo-inspired-video-display-in-action/
Listen to how the guy butchers pronouncing "Polyphony Digital". The guy is selling the car and he doesn't know how to say it.
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/11/17/video-nissan-gt-r-gran-turismo-inspired-video-display-in-action/
Listen to how the guy butchers pronouncing "Polyphony Digital". The guy is selling the car and he doesn't know how to say it.
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I was reading the review in Motor the other day and a couple of points caught my interest.
1. I don't want to start the tyre debate again but it says the production GT-Rs are using Run-Flats, do we know if the tyres used on the Ring were run-flats?
2. It says the cylinders are lined with plasma (0.015mm or something) as opposed to iron (or something), and you'll have to take it back to Nissan every 12 months to get it replasma'd (or something). Has this type of thing been done before? What benefits does it have, how does it work?
1. I don't want to start the tyre debate again but it says the production GT-Rs are using Run-Flats, do we know if the tyres used on the Ring were run-flats?
2. It says the cylinders are lined with plasma (0.015mm or something) as opposed to iron (or something), and you'll have to take it back to Nissan every 12 months to get it replasma'd (or something). Has this type of thing been done before? What benefits does it have, how does it work?
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Woah what a misleading statement.
1.Proof?
2.I believe that on normal a to b roads, in the real world the GTR will make the competition look silly due to its 4wd, a bit like how the S5 gives the 335i a right old spanking in the real world. Around the racetrack though I just dont see it.
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How is it misleading?
It did it in 7:38
Here's the list, you be the judge :
BMW M3 GTR Schnitzer (11/2002) 7:12.25
Radical SR3 Turbo ( 7/2003) 7.19 (7:26 road tyres link???)
Porsche Carrera GT ( 9/2004) 7:32.44 (22.835km circuit)
TechArt-Porsche GT street ( 8/2001) 7:43
Pagani Zonda S ( 7/2002) 7:44
Porsche 911 GT2 ( 6/2001) 7:46
Porsche 911 GT3 RS ( 3/2004) 7:47
Porsche 911 GT3 Cup ( 2/1999) 7:49
Lamborghini Murciélago ( 6/2002) 7:50
BMW M3 CSL ( 8/2003) 7:50
Mercedes SLR McLaren ( 6/2004) 7:52
So where does that place it....right below the CGT, which is atleast 5 times it's price.
I can't believe I'm using the Z06 guys arguments.
It did it in 7:38
Here's the list, you be the judge :
BMW M3 GTR Schnitzer (11/2002) 7:12.25
Radical SR3 Turbo ( 7/2003) 7.19 (7:26 road tyres link???)
Porsche Carrera GT ( 9/2004) 7:32.44 (22.835km circuit)
TechArt-Porsche GT street ( 8/2001) 7:43
Pagani Zonda S ( 7/2002) 7:44
Porsche 911 GT2 ( 6/2001) 7:46
Porsche 911 GT3 RS ( 3/2004) 7:47
Porsche 911 GT3 Cup ( 2/1999) 7:49
Lamborghini Murciélago ( 6/2002) 7:50
BMW M3 CSL ( 8/2003) 7:50
Mercedes SLR McLaren ( 6/2004) 7:52
So where does that place it....right below the CGT, which is atleast 5 times it's price.
I can't believe I'm using the Z06 guys arguments.
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try again
6'55 - Radical SR8 2005
7'14 - Donkervoort D8 270 RS - 2005
7'15 - Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS - 2005
7'18 - Donkervoort D8 RS - 2004
7'19 - Radical SR3 1500 Turbo - 2003
7'28 - Porsche Carrera GT - 2004
7'32 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO - 2001
7'32 - Pagani Zonda F - 2006
7'34 - Koenigsegg CCR - 2005
its misleading when you stated that it is the fastest car around the ring and it isnt and the radical was on road legal street tyres,with slicks it does it in around 6:30ish(what do you know same time difference as the GTR did
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All those cars that are listed are tuners, stripped go karts, or off the charts hypercars.
Anyway, my argument was simply that there's no better bang for the buck car IMO.
Anyway, my argument was simply that there's no better bang for the buck car IMO.
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all those car (barr a couple) are fully road legal production cars,therefore youre statement in saying that.
is completely and utterly wrong!
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I'm not sure how it will all play out but right now I get a feeling that you are wrong about "bang for the buck" simply because I doubt the 69,000 dollar GT-R was the one to do 7'38.
I'm feeling like YSSMAN said what I would say... The GT-R Evo was the one to do 7'38 and that's probably going to be a good bit more expensive than the 69,000 base model.
I'd be willing to bet things will change between now and the actual release date and from then things may change even more by the time testing begins.
For all those reasons above I'm going to say what I've said a dozen times before...
I will reserve my judgement for the actual production model's release. 👍
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Give it some time, let Nismo do their Z Tuned or whatever version and those tuners will get whooped.
To me tuner cars should not be included.
Stock, production cars please.
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radicals are stock production cars
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I'd say you're just being silly now.
Fact is, the new GT-R Evo is probably on par with the speed of the Z-tune and more than likely there will be little to no improvements for any Nismo GT-R.
However, I wouldn't be suprised to see companies like HKS and Mine's do a great tuner.
In any case though, I feel like saying a Z-tune GT-R would beat a Radical's 6'55 on the Ring is borderline fanboyish.
Who knows though, all that is some time off.
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If they're smart, the markups shouldn't exceed what you listed depending on demand.
We have to remember this is going to be a $70,000 Nissan in America, a place where the only first hand experience we have of Nissan's performance line-up at the moment is the Z at $30,000. When we think of Nissan, we think of the company who sells Altima's, Sentra's, & Maxima's, not the company who builds Skylines thus making us not used to seeing a very expensive car from them.
So, anyone who might be thinking about buying the GT-R might be turned very quickly by a dealer markup merely because they're wanting even more for a Nissan. I can't see a markup being a good thing for the company either. Most people in the US who have money for this range and higher like to buy cars to be seen in. And do you honestly Joe Schmoe will call Nissan before calling Porsche, Mercedes, or Audi? No. Thus, in my opinion, I think most of these cars will be bought to be tracked which means only a lower amount will be sold than usual compared to other companies.
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There was a story posted up on LLN about how the pre-orders in the United States have exceeded 20K, well-over the initial run of cars for 2008. My guess is that dealers could easily call for $10-25K price increases and people would still buy them (idiots, all are they - Yoda).
I get called-out for being a GM/VW fanboy quite often, and its pretty easy to know that even on occasion that I'm wrong no matter how much I like a particular product. Div is Back, you're just being silly, and all fanboyism aside, it needs to stop at some point. Sure, it may be the "best bang for the buck" under your view, but when its pretty clear that $70K is nowhere near "value" under any circumstance (Corvette, Porsche, etc included), it simply cannot wear that title.
What makes "bang for buck?"
- Cheap price
- Good performance
- Incredible driving expirience
- Feeling that your money was well-worth it
This is why cars like the Mazda MX-5 and Ford Mustang GT often win "bang for buck" comparisons quite often. They're cheap, easy to drive, nice to look at, and generally make you feel like you made a good choice. Sure, the GT-R is certainly fast (although, we've yet to see what it can do in the hands of REAL drivers), but I often wonder if it would ever have the same amount of "soul" offered up by cars previously mentioned, hell, even a Mini Cooper or a GTI.
Simply put; No matter how much money you spend on a car, if it doesn't make you feel good about the purchase, it isn't going to be worth it. You have to get as much out of a car as you can. This is why I drive Volkswagens over Toyotas and Hondas... Why a lot of people choose Alfa Romeos over anything else. There is a great amount of substance to these cars, and the problem is, I just keep getting the feeling that there isn't with this new GT-R. That its not a tactile experience... Not something to enjoy. If thats what people want these days, so be it, but I think I'd be much happier with that Miata...
