2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Those results are interesting to say the least. It makes me assume that automatics are faster than their predicted times, while manuals are slower. I assuming that a DSG box will behave similar to a slushbox, as well.
That leads me to believe (not knowing what kind of transmission the Audi has in it exactly, could someone enlighten me?) that the time difference between the Audi and Nissan will be similar, but the overall times will be less.
Of course, this is essentially an assumption that is based on a suggestion based on a suggestion which is based on a suggestion, so the margin of error is huge in either direction, but whatever.

havent read anything including the press releases saying the RS6 will have the DSG so im guessing it will have you standard auto box in it whereas its said the GTR box takes .2 to change gears.one of the reasons autos seem to be faster is that as soon as you floor it they kickdown (change down) and with a flappy paddle it doesnt take too long to change down and get into the power band,whereas with a manual you have to use the clutch change down to get into the powerband (a good .5 of a second at least lost) or just floor it and use the torque till your into the power band.VXR8's results did surprise me considering it did have almost 100bhp more than the other cars (slightly ot)

 

[McLaren]

but you didnt explain it when you orginally made the claim

Because common sense should have told you. Obviously, you didn't catch it.

and what would i have to gain from lieing

How about to support your untrue side of the story?

it is from the factory although unless vanlentino balboni is really a salesman?

I hope to god you're not talking about those videos with Valentino with driving the guy around in the Gallardo. That video has been discussed on Jabba'sWorld & LamboPower many times before. It wasn't a customer.

The video of Valentino in Sweden is a dealership drive. The video of Valentino in the Murcielago is not a drive. The video of Valentino on a race track, is also not a factory test. The other videos are pretty much corporate companies doing a report or story on the company.

why not its made by the same company isnt it?

I see we are going to play this stupid child game again. I don't need to tell you why it isn't put through a process like the GT-R. Only a moron can not figure out this question.

BTW, let's see you prove that Ferrari owners on FChat are lieing. Factory pictures are not allowed, so these are taken secretively.
This set is from Gary's F430. On the line & first day in the US.

Ferrari 360CS owner checking on his Gallardo among others.

Another Ferrari owner visiting his 612 and other photos. Same camera rules.

 

[Tornado]

havent read anything including the press releases saying the RS6 will have the DSG so im guessing it will have you standard auto box

I did some more snooping, and I saw that it has a Tiptronic in it. Those are monsters at rolling starts, making the actual victor in our hypothetical competition all the more ambiguous. Especially because something about the RS6 makes me think it has the 997 Turbo Tiptronic S in it.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Because common sense should have told you. Obviously, you didn't catch it.

then you should have listed companys that you knew that did it and not generalised it by saying everyone.

How about to support your untrue side of the story?

have i to tape every conversation i have now?

I hope to god you're not talking about those videos with Valentino with driving the guy around in the Gallardo. That video has been discussed on Jabba'sWorld & LamboPower many times before. It wasn't a customer.

The video of Valentino in Sweden is a dealership drive. The video of Valentino in the Murcielago is not a drive. The video of Valentino on a race track, is also not a factory test. The other videos are pretty much corporate companies doing a report or story on the company.

did i say i was erm no?

BTW, let's see you prove that Ferrari owners on FChat are lieing. Factory pictures are not allowed, so these are taken secretively.

did i say they were lieing? no i didnt.

I did some more snooping, and I saw that it has a Tiptronic in it. Those are monsters at rolling starts, making the actual victor in our hypothetical competition all the more ambiguous. Especially because something about the RS6 makes me think it has the 997 Turbo Tiptronic S in it.

i dont think its the same as the 997 turbo tip gearbox i know audi have thier own(i think it could be an updated version of the one in the s6/s8)

 

[McLaren]

then you should have listed companys that you knew that did it and not generalised it by saying everyone.

I'm not going to argue about this anymore. You didn't catch it, that's your problem.

have i to tape every conversation i have now?

No, but you can't come in here and tell me what you've heard from Ferrari owners disproves me when you have no evidence and I do.

Customers are all invited to visit the factory to take delivery of their Enzo....
When an owner is present for the completion of an Enzo, a grand unveiling is staged....

did i say i was erm no?

Then where's your proof? You said there are videos of Lamborghini allowing test drives with Valentino, and all the ones there aren't customer not factory tests.

did i say they were lieing? no i didnt.

You implied it.
"the same can be said about your wonderful forum,how do you know they arent changing thier stories?"

I showed otherwise.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Then where's your proof?

i told you where but again you didnt post proof of varys things i asked so i dont see why i have to

You implied it.
"the same can be said about your wonderful forum,how do you know they arent changing thier stories?"

I showed otherwise.

i didnt imply anything you said ferrari owners ive spoke to change thier stories so how do i know ferrari owners youve spoke to dont lie to if the ones i spoke to do?

 

[forza2.0]

Which is something I'm certain you have no knowledge of, considering the car isn't even out yet. Besides, one still is going to cost probably 15,000 pounds (at least) more then the other one and will accelerate slower.

Going by the RS4 holden is right, and in germany its a factory option to get the limiter removed anyway so the argument is moot. And where is the evidence to say the RS6 will accelerate slower? I would put my money on the RS6 to hit 170mph first.

 

[Tornado]

And where is the evidence to say the RS6 will accelerate slower? I would put my money on the RS6 to hit 170mph first.

Pay attention. Seriously. Me and Holden have been discussing that for nearly 4 hours now.

And you saying the Audi would hit 170 first means far less then you probably wish it did.

 

[forza2.0]

Nissan use R&T testing methods to get their figures whilst audi released conservative figures for apparent political reasons, not wanting attention from the german gov. for the wrong reasons. DSG for the RS6 is being developed.

2 different car mags have both said that the 997TT is faster than the GTR. So obviously nissan figures are proven to be rather optimistic.

 

[Tornado]

Nissan use R&T testing methods to get their figures whilst audi released conservative figures for apparent political reasons, not wanting attention from the german gov. for the wrong reasons.

Which really means nothing at all, and you obviously have paid no attention to where the original supposition came from.

DSG for the RS6 is being developed.

Who cares.

2 different car mags have both said that the 997TT is faster than the GTR. So obviously nissan figures are proven to be rather optimistic.

Faster how, first of all.
Second, Nissan's released figures have all been backed up by independent tests, so other then trying to start a fight I would love to know where that came from.
Third, assuming one isn't the Evo article, I would like proof of these statements that it sounds like you made up to start something.

 

[Greycap]

And where is the evidence to say the RS6 will accelerate slower? I would put my money on the RS6 to hit 170mph first.

In case you have managed to skip all the posts from the last few pages that have mentioned the figures, it takes 13 seconds for the GT-R to reach 200 km/h - 124 mph - while the Audi gets there in 15 seconds. That's slower acceleration by common sense. Nobody has mentioned accelerating the RS6 to 170 mph yet.

Nissan use R&T testing methods to get their figures whilst audi released conservative figures for apparent political reasons, not wanting attention from the german gov. for the wrong reasons. DSG for the RS6 is being developed.

2 different car mags have both said that the 997TT is faster than the GTR. So obviously nissan figures are proven to be rather optimistic.

Of course, Audi tells the absolute truth while Nissan lies wherever possible. Are you paid by VAG for making them look good, it seriously seems so? And about those car magazines, how many of them were German? Biasedness works in both ways, you know. I've read enough of German magazines to know.

Oh, and just for your information, the InsideLine test proved that the GT-R performs as promised. I guess that just accidentally slipped past your eyes.

 

[the Interceptor]

Guys, this is not going to end well:

(...)

this has turned into a battle of personalities and now seems to have more to do with scoring points off each other (he said so I said, etc).

Quite honestly this is not needed, I have already strongly suggested that the two of you agree to disagree and move this on, fail to do so and I'm quite sure that the results will not 'make your Christmas'.

Scaff

As it looks for me, you're playing an endless game of outmaneuvering each other. Unfortunately, this has nothing to do with the topic anymore and will only result in trouble for you. As an external observer and normal user, I can only advise to put an end to this discussion. I know it's kind of hard when you're involved, but if none of you stop, this is going on until someone from above puts a nasty end to this (and I don't mean god).

Regards
the Interceptor

 

[McLaren]

i told you where but again you didnt post proof of varys things i asked so i dont see why i have to

Yes, I searched YouTube. The videos of Valentino Balboni are not factory test runs.

i didnt imply anything you said ferrari owners ive spoke to change thier stories so how do i know ferrari owners youve spoke to dont lie to if the ones i spoke to do?

I said YOU changed their story, most likely to support your case of which you have noe. I said, "They probably said they visited their cars on the line".

However, you're arguing against Ferrari owners' words, not me. Their posts on FChat show that you can only take a factory tour & check on your vehicle if you know the VIN.

 

[Tornado]

(and I don't mean god).

I loled. That was perfect.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Yes, I searched YouTube. The videos of Valentino Balboni are not factory test runs.

and you can prove this with what proof?

I said YOU changed their story, most likely to support your case of which you have noe. I said, "They probably said they visited their cars on the line".

so now i make things up? ok you prove i changed thier stories cause i would love to see you back up that allegation as i see that as a personal attack against me,as i said what would i have to gain from lieing?

 

[Tornado]

*McLaren*, seriously, cut it out. I hardly think anyone in here is straight up lying about anything. You are taking this too far.

 

[Scaff]

Final warning on this one guys.

I have been away from this thread for a few hours while friend was around and I come back to this, quite honestly silly flame war. I have asked politely that you stop this and agree to disagree on this particular point.

It's gotten totally off the point and this thread has been dragged down as a result, the next few steps are simple really, keep this up and I will lock the thread and start handing out some infractions (you've had enough public warnings now as it is).

Do not ruin yours own Christmas over something like this, I mean both you guys are 20, stop acting like a couple of school kids.


Scaff

 

[McLaren]

and you can prove this with what proof?

Sorry, I'm not spending an hour to find a thread from a year ago about these videos.

Besides, why do you care? I thought you weren't talking about those videos.

so now i make things up? ok you prove i changed thier stories cause i would love to see you back up that allegation as i see that as a personal attack against me,as i said what would i have to gain from lieing?

I said you could changed their stories. Personal attack? Have you honestly run out of things to help your posts?

Point is, I have proof & Ferrari owners' words to back me up. All you have is your message from Ferrari owners that you could have changed around since you accuse a worded post of doing the same.

BTW, more proof that says I'm right. F1 owners are allowed to test their new cars.
http://www.brothatsmint.com/2007/02/16/fifth-gear-frank-mountain-buys-schumachers-f1-car/


Now, I really don't care if my reply gets this thread locked. I say, go for it. Because the next reply from Holden is just going to be something asking for more proof, and when it is presented, he will either ignore it or claim some wild excuse about it.

As Sean Hannity likes to say, G'day.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

I said you could changed their stories. Personal attack? Have you honestly run out of things to help your posts?

Point is, I have proof & Ferrari owners' words to back me up. All you have is your message from Ferrari owners that you could have changed around since you accuse a worded post of doing the same.

BTW, more proof that says I'm right. F1 owners are allowed to test their new cars.
http://www.brothatsmint.com/2007/02/16/fifth-gear-frank-mountain-buys-schumachers-f1-car/


Now, I really don't care if my reply gets this thread locked. I say, go for it. Because the next reply from Holden is just going to be something asking for more proof, and when it is presented, he will either ignore it or claim some wild excuse about it.

As Sean Hannity likes to say, G'day.

sorry but i didnt say that the owners get to test thier cars i said that some owners get to see/witness thier cars being tested and i did see that as a personal attack towards me as you clearly said that i had changed thier stories,not could have changed them or that the owners could have but that I HAD changed thier stories to back up what i said.

not trying to start an arguement just trying to clear things up.

 

[YSSMAN]

Interesting thought to reel things back in:

We're getting dumped on with snow; Any bets as to how "good" the GT-R would fare in it with proper tires?

 

[Leonidae]

Best thing to do would be deleting these recent Audi/Ferrari related posts entirely as they're not related to the thread anymore.

 

[McLaren]

Best to just close the whole thread....

 

[Casio]

I disagree. I find the argument between the "It's not better than X car because it's a Nissan", "It's better than X car because it's a Nissan" and the "It's not better than anything because it's not an Audi" groups is interesting and makes my day.

 

[Wolfe]

Interesting thought to reel things back in:

We're getting dumped on with snow; Any bets as to how "good" the GT-R would fare in it with proper tires?

Considering my friends' old and comparitively unsophisticated Subarus perform excellently (with or without snow tires), I bet it would do about the same.

 

[Jim Prower]

Interesting thought to reel things back in:

We're getting dumped on with snow; Any bets as to how "good" the GT-R would fare in it with proper tires?

It's a bit too low to do "Great," (What modern car is?) but on a plowed, yet still snowpacked/Icy road, (more often than not the case around here: our plows get on it.) the GT-R will be a bit more driveable than, say, a high-powered FR. Perhaps even an FF, too. Really, if there's a foot or more and it's still falling, you really shouldnt' be out.

on the argument: blatantly ignoring a moderator, twice now, won't do you guys any good.

 

[Joey D]

Interesting thought to reel things back in:

We're getting dumped on with snow; Any bets as to how "good" the GT-R would fare in it with proper tires?

As I've stated before would people even use this car in the snow? How would the other component fair, like the brakes (I assume they are cross drilled) in cold and snowy conditions?

I'm sure it can drive around on a snow covered road, most cars can with the right tires, but would you want to?

 

[Azuremen]

Interesting thought to reel things back in:

We're getting dumped on with snow; Any bets as to how "good" the GT-R would fare in it with proper tires?

With proper tires it will be worse than a WRX or any Subaru just because of ground clearance. My dad's Outback is a beast in the snow because it has over 8 inches of ground clearance. The SVX with the same tires was a lot more trouble because it would get itself high centered with some frequency.

 

[MustangSVT]

Would theoretically a GT-R be better in snow (like say 1inch of snow or so) than a modern Mustang GT? The one that comes with traction control. What about compared to a Infinity G35 and/or Nissan 350Z?

 

[Joey D]

Would theoretically a GT-R be better in snow (like say 1inch of snow or so) than a modern Mustang GT? The one that comes with traction control. What about compared to a Infinity G35 and/or Nissan 350Z?

It really depends on what type of tires you have on both cars.

 

[Leonidae]

Proper winter tyres would be Nokian Hakkapeliitta's, studded ones naturally. the thing is, I don't think they're available in 20" low profile sizes.. but theoretically, with those tyres, I believe that it would do better than my sisters Opel Astra wagon.