2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery

[Onikaze]

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*insert my pre-packed rant about wrong wheel drive not being any safer in snow, unless you consider understeering hopelessly into a head on collision safer than oversteering into a ditch*

 

[Leonidae]

^Amen to that

 

[Tornado]

the thing is, I don't think they're available in 20" low profile sizes..

And I bet mounting smaller wheels would cause clearance issues with the brakes.

 

[Jim Prower]

And I bet mounting smaller wheels would cause clearance issues with the brakes.

Ooh, there's something I never thought of...tire sizes. I wonder how small a rim you can run on a GT-R without clearance problems.

 

[Leonidae]

well, the brakes of the GT-R are 15.3" in diameter.. then, add few inches more for the callipers and you're looking about 17-18" minimum clearance.

 

[Azuremen]

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*insert my pre-packed rant about wrong wheel drive not being any safer in snow, unless you consider understeering hopelessly into a head on collision safer than oversteering into a ditch*

*insert rant about epic nubs with no winter driving experience here

 

[YSSMAN]

I would have figured the GT-R to be a bit too low, but it would be a really strange race of sorts to see it go up against a 997T on snowy roads. Actually, now that I think about it, I demand a road-test as such!

 

[Leonidae]

This should give a fairly good idea about the clearances etc..

 

[Tornado]

Actually, now that I think about it, I demand a road-test as such!

Put spacers in the springs and take them into the desert!

 

[Wolfe]

The SVX with the same tires was a lot more trouble because it would get itself high centered with some frequency.

My SVX-owning friend hasn't really had that problem. No offense to whoever was driving yours, but it's avoidable if you know what you're doing. The GT-R would be perfectly fine anywhere that's plowed often.

I responded to your comment on Onikaze's post in a more-relevant thread.

 

[Azuremen]

My SVX-owning friend hasn't really had that problem. No offense to whoever was driving yours, but it's avoidable if you know what you're doing. The GT-R would be perfectly fine anywhere that's plowed often.

I responded to your comment on Onikaze's post in a more-relevant thread.

Its not so easy to avoid when you get 8 to 12 inches of snow in a night Or the plow covers your driveway in 3 feet of packed snow.

And I saw your reply. Its more or less just a driver thing, but for 95% of the population, understeer is much better than oversteer. If they start to slide, they back off the gas in FWD, where in RWD they panic from the back end going around and proceed to further screw things up by braking too much or letting off the gas, et cetera.

 

[Rue]

Saw my first new GT-R today...

 

[forza2.0]

Ooh, there's something I never thought of...tire sizes. I wonder how small a rim you can run on a GT-R without clearance problems.

People with SEAT ibiza cupras are having major difficulties finding aftermarket rims that will clear the standard ap racing brakes, so I reckon people will probably have similiar issues with the GTR.

 

[Leonidae]

I don't think people will be replacing GT-R's rims right away, after all they're one off design with tyres designed specifically for this car.

 

[Joey D]

This should give a fairly good idea about the clearances etc..

The paint on that car looks like crap, what did they use? Spray cans? That's how my Blazer's black paint looked...after five years.

 

[forza2.0]

The paint on that car looks like crap, what did they use? Spray cans? That's how my Blazer's black paint looked...after five years.

I missed that actually it looks like orange peel.

 

[Greycap]

While I have no evidence on this, it might be a deliberately thought out thing instead of a poor paint coat. Everyone knows how a golf ball looks, no? Read the following.

...the dimples delay separation of the boundary layer from the ball. Early separation, as seen on a smooth sphere, causes significant wake turbulence, the principal cause of drag. The separation delay caused by the dimples therefore reduces this wake turbulence, and hence the drag.

Again, this is just an oddball theory right out of my head, but it's possible that they've decreased the drag by the same principle.

If I'm completely honest, I like that look more than the usual mirror like paint of every other car. The GT-R makes the reflections look like small oil paintings all over the car.

 

[Joey D]

I just think the factory sucks at painting the car. Orange peel looks like crap on any car.

 

[Kent]

It could also be possible that they just didn't put a very thick layer of paint on the car. Just as everyone here should know about dimples on a golf ball, we should all know of the paint on a Ferrari F40 (for those who don't know)...
The F40's paint was so thin you could see the carbonfiber weave underneath. With the new GTR it could be a similar situation and where thick paint would normally hide the surface texture of the metal underneath the new GTR may be showing the metal's texture simply because the paint is thin enough not to hide the metal's texture.



In any case, I don't think it looks all that bad in general.
Heck, that could just be an issue based on the photo and the focus of the picture.

 

[Joey D]

The thing with the F40 was though that you weren't buying it to use everyday, you bought it as a play thing or a track day car. There was a point to having minimal paint on it. But the GT-R, if what every one is tell me is true, is that it is made for every day use and with that thin of paint I could see issues of rust and pitting on the car. Plus if I'm spending $70,000 on a car I want it to look like a $70,000 car...not a $15,000 Focus.

 

[forza2.0]

While I have no evidence on this, it might be a deliberately thought out thing instead of a poor paint coat. Everyone knows how a golf ball looks, no? Read the following.

Again, this is just an oddball theory right out of my head, but it's possible that they've decreased the drag by the same principle.

If I'm completely honest, I like that look more than the usual mirror like paint of every other car. The GT-R makes the reflections look like small oil paintings all over the car.

Stretching a bit far with that theory dont you think?

And yes the F40 had thin paint but the GTR is already a heavy swine so why would they then now decide to try and reduce weight?

 

[Greycap]

I wouldn't say that it's so far fetched. If a car can be made faster by just painting it in a different way, is there any sensible reason not to do it? It's a very cheap and easy way to gain a better drag coefficient. I'm not saying that's what's happened, but I'm saying it's one possibility. Or then it's just an attempt to differentiate the car from others, after all it's mentioned in many places (just Google for "gt-r paint") that it has double layers of clearcoat over the paint.

 

[Perfect Balance]

Factory cars nowadays all come like that. Take a look at some brand new cars if you don't believe me.

And orange-peely looking paint lasts longer for some reason apparently.

 

[Joey D]

I looked closely at the Mini Cooper, it does not have paint like that.

 

[Dave A]

This is why the paint looks funny in the phtograph.

"The new Nissan GT-R achieves the world's best paint performance, in terms of resistance to chipping and scratches. It comes with a lustrous paint sheen when new - partly through the application of a 'double clear coat' - and maintains this finish due to its uniquely tough paint. Tests have shown that the Nissan GT-R continues to have a blemish-free luster long after rival paints are peppered with stone chips and small abrasions.

This paint strength is especially important on a premium vehicle capable of such high speeds. A special new color, ultimate metal silver, is also available on the Nissan GT-R. All GT-Rs get an electrodeposition first coat, which bonds especially well to the metal, a special anti-chipping coat, primer, color bases and then clear coats, both hand polished by craftsmen to achieve a perfect paint finish."
http://www.zercustoms.com/news/Nissan-GT-R-Body-and-Paint.html

"The high level of advanced technology is evident even in GT-R's paint - which utilises a "double clear coat" and "anti-chipping" process and is painstakingly hand-polished by craftsman. GT-R features Ultimate Silver as a special new colour."
http://www.testdriven.co.uk/news.cfm/nissan-gt-r-first-official-details

I'd wager that it looks a lot better in person than in that one photo. There you have it Joey, a GT-R will look new a lot longer than other 70k cars, plus point to the GT-R then.

 

[Joey D]

It still doesn't explain why there is orange peel on it. Sure it holds up well to various conditions, which is great, but it looks cheap. I'd rather have slightly less durability in the paint and have to touch up a few scratches then buy a car with factory orange peel.

I'm willing to wager if this was on a Corvette people would just write it off as complete rubbish.

 

[Dave A]

Here's the thing, you've seen one photo, that's one photograph where it looks like it might have that peel effect in the paint. On one hand it might, on the other it might just be the photograph. The GT-R is a performance car that can be used daily right, that's something you often say about the Corvette, now I'm betting that if the Corvette had this paint, peel effect or not, you'd be happy about it and you'd be criticising anyone that tried to say otherwise or labeling them Corvette haters.

Swings and roundabouts my man, what this thread has basically come down to is people criticising the car for the hell of it. Oh look it has this great scratch resistant paint let's criticise it for it. Honestly, look at the arguments being brought in, when people take arguments over a car this deep and are so opposed to the car I wonder if there is any hope for the world at all. Is it jus tme or is it totally crazy to get bent out of shape over something like this.

We all have preferrences when it comes to cars, and you probably feel threatened by the GT-R or the GT-R fans in relation to the Corvette since the Vette is your car of choice (and your refference to the Vette in your last post only backs this up) and that in many ways they compete. But get over it, don't stand in a corner that no one has put you in and start coming up with some random clutching at straws arguments just for the hell of it or to make you feel batter in some way or another I don't know, I don't really care but get over it, it's a car, like it or not it's a good one with a hell of a following.

 

[Perfect Balance]

I looked closely at the Mini Cooper, it does not have paint like that.

Your car is very round. Round cars don't get orange peel very easily as the paint sort of stretches around the curves and never builds up. Plus that GT-R is black. Black makes anything in the paint look a lot worse than any other colors.

 

[Onikaze]

Its not so easy to avoid when you get 8 to 12 inches of snow in a night Or the plow covers your driveway in 3 feet of packed snow.

And I saw your reply. Its more or less just a driver thing, but for 95% of the population, understeer is much better than oversteer. If they start to slide, they back off the gas in FWD, where in RWD they panic from the back end going around and proceed to further screw things up by braking too much or letting off the gas, et cetera.

Just to add, my first RWD car, was a $300 '91 Mercury Grand Marquis, I bought it with 2 inches of ICE EVERYWHERE, in January, in Louisville.

I drove it around on the all season tires it came with, spent a bit of time in parking lots getting used to the ice handling dynamics and busting donuts, and never had a problem afterwards.

Whereas in the 99 Saturn I drive around here regularly, everytime I come across the 4 way stop (with a slight dip on the side opposite my house) when it's raining, the front tires spin on the oil unless you practically roll across it with no throttle, but it's really disturbing when you are trying to turn, start to drive away and turn, and the car just goes straight as the engine spins uselessly.

Then you have to back off the throttle, turn INTO the slide (very counterintuitive) and let the wheels grab, THEN proceed with the turn.

FWD is safer because people consider understeering into things safer.

/derail over

I saw a GT-R at the car show here recently, the paint was that dark grey, but it looked normal, no orange peel looking effect.

Quite menacing presence in person, I approve.

 

[Joey D]

Here's the thing, you've seen one photo, that's one photograph where it looks like it might have that peel effect in the paint. On one hand it might, on the other it might just be the photograph. The GT-R is a performance car that can be used daily right, that's something you often say about the Corvette, now I'm betting that if the Corvette had this paint, peel effect or not, you'd be happy about it and you'd be criticising anyone that tried to say otherwise or labeling them Corvette haters.

Swings and roundabouts my man, what this thread has basically come down to is people criticising the car for the hell of it. Oh look it has this great scratch resistant paint let's criticise it for it. Honestly, look at the arguments being brought in, when people take arguments over a car this deep and are so opposed to the car I wonder if there is any hope for the world at all. Is it jus tme or is it totally crazy to get bent out of shape over something like this.

We all have preferrences when it comes to cars, and you probably feel threatened by the GT-R or the GT-R fans in relation to the Corvette since the Vette is your car of choice (and your refference to the Vette in your last post only backs this up) and that in many ways they compete. But get over it, don't stand in a corner that no one has put you in and start coming up with some random clutching at straws arguments just for the hell of it or to make you feel batter in some way or another I don't know, I don't really care but get over it, it's a car, like it or not it's a good one with a hell of a following.

Wow this thread is really bitter. I am not clutching at straws nor do I feel "threatened" by a friggen car or those who like the car, I'm not even a huge Corvette fan (I like them but would never own one). I wish I could -rep your post.

If the Vette had the same thing on it I would not be happy around it, however I've seen hundreds of Vettes and the only ones with orange peel are older C5's and pretty much every C4. When I see a C6 with the same thing I will be unhappy about it.