2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery

[McLaren]

Oops... I'll admit that my grammar is rarely perfect, but in this situation, I'm not sure most people would notice.

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I'm trying to think of a good way to spur discussion without causing a flame-fest, and its hard.

Should we play the "I've got $100K, what do you buy, and would you actually be able to live with it every day?" discussion?

I'm sure this turns into a 911 vs Corvette vs GT-R discussion... Again..

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Want me to be daring?

I'd buy a Pontiac G8 GT. There... I said it. Its slower, but it looks nicer, and carries more people comfortably. So be it!

Of course. Those are the only competing models in the same range (even though the Turbo is actually $126,000).

 

[Casio]

Should we play the "I've got $100K, what do you buy, and would you actually be able to live with it every day?" discussion?

 

[the Interceptor]

Should we play the "I've got $100K, what do you buy, and would you actually be able to live with it every day?" discussion?

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[Joey D]

CLS AMG, the design is stunning, it has four doors, seats four people, and goes like a bat out of hell.

or

BMW M3 V8...only if I could get over the weird speed hump in the hood

 

[Diego440]

the AUP won't allow me to post what I'd do with $100k

 

[forza2.0]

It does 0-60 in 3.3 (not following standard road test rules for performance testing though i.e. 2 people on board with at least half a tank of fuel proof )
it does the same 1/4 mile as a 997 turbo proof
it outbraked by a 997 turbo and brakes the same as a viper proof
is outhandled by a viper proof
has 475bhp at the hubs proof
does the nurburgring in 7:50 (sport auto)
Struggles above 170mph (EVO 113)
brakes melted after a couple of laps of the nurburgring GP track at the hands of a german tester(evo 112)

hope that helps

We also know that nissan released a rather misleading video of their so called uber lap time.

And I think this fits in rather well with what holden has said and what a few others have been saying and why we have been doubting nissans claims

"But, there is the possibility that pistonheads, autoweek and sportauto are all talking some bogus about GT-R while nissan has made the fastest production car EVER with an extra 600-700 lbs, 100+ less HP than its nearest competitor and a runflat tire! if that's the case, i reckon all car makers should stop making performance car and bow at everything nissan."

 

[Azuremen]

Amen!

/thread

 

[Leonidae]

We also know that nissan released a rather misleading video of their so called uber lap time.

do you have better proof, another video mayhaps?

And I think this fits in rather well with what holden has said and what a few others have been saying and why we have been doubting nissans claims

it has been you and holden mostly, and you guys have been shot down god knows how many times by now, due the lack of evidence to support you. why do you still insist that Nissan lies, cheats and deceives?

"But, there is the possibility that pistonheads, autoweek and sportauto are all talking some bogus about GT-R while nissan has made the fastest production car EVER with an extra 600-700 lbs, 100+ less HP than its nearest competitor and a runflat tire! if that's the case, i reckon all car makers should stop making performance car and bow at everything nissan."

no-one has claimed that it's the best car in the world. it's just best sportscar from Japan, best sportscar from Nissan, and competes neck to neck with the best of others manufacturers cars in the same class, which happens to be about 500bhp. (Corvette Z06, Porsche 911 Turbo, Ferrari F430). Only thing that held them back before was the gentlemans agreement among Japanese manufacturers and government. Now that it is removed, they can really show us what they can do. GET OVER WITH IT.

 

[///M-Spec]

This is worth repeating:

People, stop the petty bickering, or I’ll close the thread. I’m serious – this thread is just a bickerfest that’s doing nothing but brewing bad blood (on the upside, I just got a four-word alliteration). It probably should have been closed long ago, but I’m willing to let it go if the tone changes. I don’t need everybody to be all lovey-dubby and daisies and kisses, but lighten up a bit.

Gentlemen.

The 7:38 lap debate is now at an end. It has been discussed ad nauseam and is dragging quality of this thread to a top 5 spot on least productive debates of GTP '07.

I repeat. Cease and desist all debate on the 7:38 lap. He's dead, Jim.

The next person that wants to beat this particular dead horse can ring in his new year with a 10 pt. infraction on his profile.


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[Div is back]

Amen!

/thread

What?
A Lexus that had too many steroids pumped into it with fake exhaust tips and that can't take a turn at 55k ?

Right.

 

[MustangSVT]

If I had 100K, I'd get something more sensible than a GT-R, but not TOO MUCH more sensible.

I'd probably get a Mitsubishi Evo X, although it's not out yet and use the rest of the money on various other things like a track-only car like one of those Lotus 7 replicas.

If just 1 car for 100k and nothing else, probably then either a GT-R or a new M3, but I'd have to test drive both before deciding which to buy. To be honest though, I wouldn't want to drive a car as fast as the GT-R or the new M3. Seems too fast for me. I'd rather have a car that I can handle to use full power in, like my current Lancer 2008. I'd like to get an Evo X when it comes out or a similar car with ~250-300HP like the Impreza STi, BMW 335i, etc., but at the moment, I probably wouldn't be able to handle one of these turbo cars that output 250+ horses.

 

[McLaren]

CLS AMG, the design is stunning, it has four doors, seats four people, and goes like a bat out of hell.

or

BMW M3 V8...only if I could get over the weird speed hump in the hood

Can't I just have all 3? Pleeasse?

 

[Joey D]

Jim Marshall has taken a series of photographs of the car:

Autoblog link:
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/26/rock-photographer-jim-marshall-turns-his-lens-towards-the-nissan/

Gallery link:
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/jim-marshall-nissan-gt-r/

 

[Jim Prower]

I repeat. Cease and desist all debate on the 7:38 lap. He's dead, Jim.

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Who died? and what does it have to do with me? I was on the "forget it" side of the lap.

I haven't a clue what the reference is too, but I was worried there, for a moment. Did I do something wrong?

For 100K...I'll save it up for a Numbers-matching Superbird...

Actually, while that's be a sound investment...hopefully, I guess If I ever wanted to drive something...ohhh, I really would like the GT-R...

 

[Tornado]

I haven't a clue what the reference is too, but I was worried there, for a moment. Did I do something wrong?

You aren't nerd enough.

 

[YSSMAN]

Odd that no one picked the GT-R even while having $100K...

Maybe its not the "value" its cracked up to be?

 

[Joey D]

Odd that no one picked the GT-R even while having $100K...

Maybe its not the "value" its cracked up to be?

I don't think many people would find the GT-R livable as a daily driver while most of the other cars we picked are fast and fun, while being able to be used every day...even during the winter with different tires.

The GT-R is very quick for how "inexpensive" it is, much like the Z06 is, but I just don't think people, if given the choice, would pick either of them if they had to live with it every day. I can't imagine the ride in the GT-R is any better (if not worse) than the Z06's.

 

[///M-Spec]

Who died? and what does it have to do with me? I was on the "forget it" side of the lap.

I haven't a clue what the reference is too, but I was worried there, for a moment. Did I do something wrong?

You didn't do anything wrong

You aren't nerd enough.

^ Toronado's got it.


Can we move the $100k everyday car to a new thread?


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[YSSMAN]

Very true then. Probably the same reason why I picked the G8 GT as well...

That, and I'm crazy.

The thing is, you really think about it and there are too many really good options at $100K to pick just the GT-R, or just the Z06, or whatever. You could even make a good case for a "regular" 911 Carrera 4S for that kind of money, despite the fact it being rather "slow" by comparison.

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I'll take the G8 GT (in purple) and match that with a Chevrolet Cobalt SS Turbo (in black) for good measure when I need to drive anything else...

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EDIT: $100K everyday car thread? DONE!

 

[Dave A]

I don't think many people would find the GT-R livable as a daily driver while most of the other cars we picked are fast and fun, while being able to be used every day...even during the winter with different tires.

The GT-R is very quick for how "inexpensive" it is, much like the Z06 is, but I just don't think people, if given the choice, would pick either of them if they had to live with it every day. I can't imagine the ride in the GT-R is any better (if not worse) than the Z06's.

I don;t think I'd have any problem finding it livable, but I wouldn't buy a GT-R if I had £55k to spend on one car. I'd buy something more luxury instead. If I wanted something more for performance I'd buy a TVR, not because it's better than the GT-R but because I like them more.

The GT-R is one heck of a car and it's a fantastic price for what you get and I have no doubt Nissan will sell them all. I wouldn't know if it's more or less livable than a Z06, I'll have to wait for UK road tests before I determined that. But if it isn't better on the road than the Z06 it's going to get pretty poor reviews over here for road use. I do think your right, a lot of people probably wouldn't pick one as thier only car regardless of how it's marketed. Some will, just like some will have a Z06 as thier only car, but most will probably already have a 4x4 or a big saloon or something else. Despite being good value for money, £55k is not what the average family spends on a car, but then that didn't stop people paying that much for the R34 GT-R. The cars will sell, no doubt about that, just not to the average family man.

 

[McLaren]

Odd that no one picked the GT-R even while having $100K...

Maybe its not the "value" its cracked up to be?

To be far YSSMAN, how many people also picked the Z06 as well?

You're asking folks to pick any car for $100K. I think most are going to be choosing their dream car in that range.

 

[Jay]

Odd that no one picked the GT-R even while having $100K...

Maybe its not the "value" its cracked up to be?

I would take the GTR, I have little need for a large daily sedan (I own a R33 now), GTR will do fine.

Of course its the "value" its cracked up to be, but not everybodys wants and needs = GTR.

 

[MustangSVT]

If I had 100K, I'd get something more sensible than a GT-R, but not TOO MUCH more sensible.

I'd probably get a Mitsubishi Evo X, although it's not out yet and use the rest of the money on various other things like a track-only car like one of those Lotus 7 replicas.

If just 1 car for 100k and nothing else, probably then either a GT-R or a new M3, but I'd have to test drive both before deciding which to buy. To be honest though, I wouldn't want to drive a car as fast as the GT-R or the new M3. Seems too fast for me. I'd rather have a car that I can handle to use full power in, like my current Lancer 2008. I'd like to get an Evo X when it comes out or a similar car with ~250-300HP like the Impreza STi, BMW 335i, etc., but at the moment, I probably wouldn't be able to handle one of these turbo cars that output 250+ horses.

Who died? and what does it have to do with me? I was on the "forget it" side of the lap.

I haven't a clue what the reference is too, but I was worried there, for a moment. Did I do something wrong?

For 100K...I'll save it up for a Numbers-matching Superbird...

Actually, while that's be a sound investment...hopefully, I guess If I ever wanted to drive something...ohhh, I really would like the GT-R...

Odd that no one picked the GT-R even while having $100K...

Maybe its not the "value" its cracked up to be?

2 people did sort of pick the GT-R though. I would want one myself, but I've never driven anything that was under 1800KG and had over 150 horses, so I`d be scared to drive it really.

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

I'd take the GTR in a heartbeat, the only other car that would tickle my fancy right up there would be an aston martin =D

 

[Leonidae]

My choices would be these..

1st place: Nissan GT-R. best bang for the buck, includes luxury and doesn't wear you out while driving.

2nd place: Golf V R32 3-door. Same as above. Sounds nice too.

3rd place: Subaru WRX STi'08. 300bhp 2.5l Turbo flat four, packed in AWD hatchback. YES PLEASE!

4th place: BMW 130i 3-door. Sporty RWD hatch. What else can you ask for?

5th place: Renault Clio Sport V6. not in production any more, but still.. hottest thing from France.

6th place: for a daily driver or for fun, new Fiat 500 Abarth.

 

[Joey D]

Since you have not driven a new GT-R how on earth do you know it will not wear you out while driving? The car has crazy performance, which typically means it's not overly easy to handle.

 

[forza2.0]

Since you have not driven a new GT-R how on earth do you know it will not wear you out while driving? The car has crazy performance, which typically means it's not overly easy to handle.

Exactly just because it doesnt have much steering feel wont automatically mean its easy to drive. Superminis are easy to drive. They are small, light and often not very powerful. Easy to park, easy to navigate.

If I had 100k my heart would say porsche, audi, mercedes, and bmw. But my head would tell me to get a 30k uk spec uber evo and spend 5 grand on a diesel ibiza as a run around shopping car. The rest I would invest.

 

[Greycap]

I just can't resist... how do you know it doesn't have much steering feel? Have you probably tried it yourself and compared it objectively to other cars or is this just another anti-GT-R comment?

On the "easy to drive" subject, I totally disagree about the easiness of the superminis. While they are handy as city cars they're absolute nightmares at highway speeds, not to mention slippery road, crosswind situations. The car twitches in just about every direction because it has a very short wheelbase and a very light weight. The driver has to make constant corrections to keep it on the desired course, in strong crosswind even on the road. In a big, heavy car all the driver has to do is sit back and turn the wheel when there is a curve in the road. I seriously doubt anyone would by a GT-R as a city car only.

 

[Div is back]

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For 100k I'll get myself an E60 M5, but that's because I'm more into luxury than all out performance.
I'd take the GTR over the Z06.

 

[Joey D]

I just can't resist... how do you know it doesn't have much steering feel? Have you probably tried it yourself and compared it objectively to other cars or is this just another anti-GT-R comment?

On the "easy to drive" subject, I totally disagree about the easiness of the superminis. While they are handy as city cars they're absolute nightmares at highway speeds, not to mention slippery road, crosswind situations. The car twitches in just about every direction because it has a very short wheelbase and a very light weight. The driver has to make constant corrections to keep it on the desired course, in strong crosswind even on the road. In a big, heavy car all the driver has to do is sit back and turn the wheel when there is a curve in the road. I seriously doubt anyone would by a GT-R as a city car only.

I drive a fairly small car and I do not agree with your statements. My Mini is great a highways speed, I drove around 90 mph all the way to Detroit the other day and the car was solid as well as fairly quite. My car isn't twitchy nor is it affected by wind. It's also great in poor road conditions, this morning it was icy and I didn't slide off the road once. What might I ask do you drive that makes you think this?