2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery

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True...Semis make my subcompact Nova juke around on the highway, though not too badly. I can imagine in an even smaller car that it's even worse. However it can be tuned out.

You know, you could accuse the RS4 of many of the same faults that you accuse the GT-R of, forza2.0...and (According to Top Gear) compared to the FR C63, it's quite simple to drive at it's limit. And, really, if you don't drive like an uberstreetraczor, you can drive most cars easily: only the most extreme of extreme cars, the Radical, the Atom, any car such as that, are difficult to drive on the street. Keep your foot out of it, and you should be fine.

Yes, I love small cars for their parking ability, especially considering that I learned in a Plymouth Voyager. (Chrysler Caravan for you.) But, even though a GT-R's a sports car, It shouldnt' be undriveable. I can think of much worse cars to drive on the street...and many of them are MR supercars that many folks have suggested. Primarily for that rear visibility hitch.

I've gotta scratch my head here: the most adamant people against the GT-R in this thread are SEAT fans. What has Nissan done to SEAT? Or are we talking just coincidence?
 
Joey D
I drive a fairly small car and I do not agree with your statements. My Mini is great a highways speed, I drove around 90 mph all the way to Detroit the other day and the can was solid as well as fairly quite. My car isn't twitchy nor is it affected by wind. It's also great in poor road conditions, this morning it was icy and I didn't slide off the road once. What might I ask do you drive that makes you think this?
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To a degree I'd agree with him, they arn't all awful at motorway speeds but in general from my experience they arn't great either. Mot of my cars have been on the small size, the Ibiza I first had being a prime example. I loved that car for it's quirks, it had good handling and was economic but on motorways if there was any wind it was horrible. You were never going in a straight line. The Mini, that's a car I've never driven but it is praised for it's road holding abilities and it's a bigger car than most city cars anyway. The 306 I had until recently was the same, fantastic on country lanes, great handling, awful in the wind at speed. My Bora was fine in strong winds, you could feel the wind but you it didn't take much effort to keep the car straight. My Focus hasn't been tested at high speed in winds yet, but already it's road holding has impressed me.

I would expect most smaller cars to be poor at high speeds, particularly if the wind picks up .There's a big trend to them not being as good as bigger cars thanks to physics.
 
If I could spend a hundred grand on cars, I wouldn't take the new GT-R either. It's too much for one car, no matter which car it is.

I think I'd first get a black R32 GT-R (V-Spec if possible) and build it to how it was when it left the factory, putting maybe $50.000 in it. After that I'd probably have enough money to do the same for a white Lancer Evo IV, putting maybe $40.000 in it. Even then I'd still have some spare money (well, considering the starting point) lying around, so it would be the time to get a practical car for the groceries and some bigger things to move. So I'd repeat the process once more, with a Volvo 240 Turbo wagon. Three cars in brand new condition, one practical and two fast ones. A few grand still felt. Money well spent.
 
Greycap
I just can't resist... how do you know it doesn't have much steering feel? Have you probably tried it yourself and compared it objectively to other cars or is this just another anti-GT-R comment?

On the "easy to drive" subject, I totally disagree about the easiness of the superminis. While they are handy as city cars they're absolute nightmares at highway speeds, not to mention slippery road, crosswind situations. The car twitches in just about every direction because it has a very short wheelbase and a very light weight. The driver has to make constant corrections to keep it on the desired course, in strong crosswind even on the road. In a big, heavy car all the driver has to do is sit back and turn the wheel when there is a curve in the road. I seriously doubt anyone would by a GT-R as a city car only.
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What sort of superminis are you driving. Most of these superminis weigh in at 1200-1300kg anyway, unless we have different definitions of what is a supermini. My van has issues with crosswinds. My ibiza not so, and I know of some of these superminis that will make M5 etc, look very silly indeed in a straight line race and around the track, obviously not stock though.

But some of these superminis, especially high powered diesel ones are absolutely brill on the motorway.

I've gotta scratch my head here: the most adamant people against the GT-R in this thread are SEAT fans. What has Nissan done to SEAT? Or are we talking just coincidence?
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Maybe, oh so maybe it has nothing to do with the NISSAN brand but rather more the fact that some people are dubious of nissans claims when it comes to the GTR.
 
For 100k, Id have to be an E46 M3 and a G37. If it can only be one car, then a Carrera S.

Id take a GT-R over any Corvette or Viper though, without question. In fact, Id take the Nissan over any direct competitor bar the 911.
 
forza2.0
Maybe, oh so maybe it has nothing to do with the NISSAN brand but rather more the fact that some people are dubious of nissans claims when it comes to the GTR.
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But it happens to be the SEAT guys on the forum who pick up on this. Ah, well. It's a reasonable conicidence, I guess.

I'm through defending the thing. I still like it, even if Nissan is feeding it Steriods.
 
forza2.0
Most of these superminis weigh in at 1200-1300kg anyway, unless we have different definitions of what is a supermini.
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I looked at quite a few superminis, and the only one I could find that I think is a supermini that started above 1100kg was the A-class. Even the porky-for-the-segment Mini wasn't that heavy.
 
Most reviews have said the GT-R has been pretty easy to drive, though there's been varying comments on the suspension (some say it can do soft/supple, others say it can't). As a daily driver, I'd assume it'd be just as easy around town as a 911 Turbo, which is hardly a handful. Hell, I'd be willing to wager an Evo (pre-X) would be more of a drain on the driver. The Z06 and Viper too.

The GT-R has been questioned as a high-performance car, now it's being questioned for its' daily driver abilities. If this isn't actually just blind anti-GT-R stuff, why is every possible aspect of the car being put on trial?
 
Hold on a second. Nissan never claimed the GT-R to be the ultimate, and neither have most of the prople in this thread. We've merely said it would be "Competitive" with a rather lofty crowd. Who they beat and who they don't? Let's wait for Top Gear. Road and Track. the big, multinational magazines, all them to give their opinions. so far, we've just seen proproduction cars. let's wait for mid-january.

and Why wouldnt' it be an absurdly fast GT? used to be that the only difference between a GT car and a Sports car was the roof. that changed in the '70s, but considering the GT-R's midsize coupe proportions, i'd safely say that it IS a GT. It has it in it's name, for the sake of gasoline.
 
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Just like Jim's said, nobody has claimed the "ultimate". I think that would actually be more true of the second-coming-like craze some people worked themselves up over the R8 for. Nobody expects the GT-R to take out all competitors, but it has proven that someone other than Chevy can build a very competitive car for a very low (comparably) price. And yes, it has been designed as a GT, numerous interviews have had people involved with the project saying they wanted a well-rounded performance. On a basic scale, it is a 2+2, which to me would mean it's pretty obviously a GT. That and the weight. Even the Veyron's a GT, albeit a hyper-quick one.
 
For all TopGear fans :
http://www.topgear.com/content/features/stories/2007/12/stories/12/1.html

'Nissan has dropped all links with the Skyline name, because this new GT-R is new from the ground up'

'That mighty 480bhp twin-turbo straight six is utterly unburstable and awesome in its power'

For all-round ability, I have no doubt the Nissan is the best car I've ever driven. It is almost as fast as the Porsche - which means it's almost as fast as any car on earth - and inspires more confidence through corners, yet it's also more roomy and practical and has a proper modern gearbox.

Forget all that you think you know. The GT-R hasn't just moved the goalposts, it's obliterated them. Bill Thomas is overwhelmed

It doesn't feel as heavy as it is

Oh, I nearly forgot - price. The 911 Turbo comes in at about £100,000, which is good value for such a stupendous car, but the GT-R will cost about £40,000 less than that when it goes on sale in the UK in 2009
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Where's Holden now?
 
I'm tired of editing and deleting posts in this thread.

You've all been given ample warnings to improve the signal/noise ratio.

This is an interesting and important car and there is no reason why this thread should be closed because some of you can not behave and treat others with a modicum of respect and dignity. If you can not act like gentlemen, you will not be treated as such.

From here on out, use of the word 'fanboy' will constitute abusive language, since the word exists for no other reason than to insult and incite. I'll remind everyone that's normally worth 10 pts. I'll also remind everyone that moderators can change the point value of a violation at their discretion and the next time I see a stupid argument, I'll just start dishing them out.



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It was tested in the Magazine, but not the series. We're going to have to wait until the spring of 2008 (I think) to see Top Gear on the air again. My guess is that they'll stack it up against a couple other cars in the show, but I'm uncertain of which they will be. The 997T is a near-certainty, the two wildcards probably being the Audi R8 or the Corvette Z06.
 
I'd love to see something completely outrageous show up on behalf of Mr. May, unfortunately, it probably won't happen. Audi R8 seems likely under his direction, although the producers of Top Gear could go B-S-Crazy and send in one of those supercharged Vauxhall VR8s...
 
or Really crazy, if press ZR-1s are out by then, but I'll bet the R8 will star alongside the Turbo and GT-R.
 
I doubt it will be the ZR-1, I don't even know if we're getting the ZR-1. It probably wouldn't be the Z06 either, the car just doesn't have a big impact in the market over here, they'll probably test it against something that does.
 
Couldn't 5th Gear get a chance at driving it? Their season starts what? Next week?
 
Joey D
Couldn't 5th Gear get a chance at driving it? Their season starts what? Next week?
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Januray 21, actually. I hate Fifth Gear but I may have to watch it for the GT-R. I'm sure it'll be exciting and interesting. And Top Gear starts up again in May, I believe.
 
Kind of thought that: all that drivetrain tech makes the GT-R stupidly easy to drive stupidly fast. The Audi feels more rewarding, though. Huh. Must mean it's more difficult to drive.

I like, though, that the GT-R is...*ahem* COMPETITIVE. and reasonably priced comparatively.
 
Jim Prower
Kind of thought that: all that drivetrain tech makes the GT-R stupidly easy to drive stupidly fast. The Audi feels more rewarding, though. Huh. Must mean it's more difficult to drive.

I like, though, that the GT-R is...*ahem* COMPETITIVE. and reasonably priced comparatively.
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Mines already has parts for the thing 👍 the new exhaust is SEXY! Also some type of suspension, ECU upgrade, cat's and brakes! Funny how the GTR ecu is so hard to crack yet mines already has an ECU and its only been out such a short time.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/28/its-official-mines-develops-first-parts-for-nissan-gt-r/

I really hope eventually they will offer a manual although I can live with the paddles
 
MINE'S probably got the codes from Mother Nissan. That GT-R is great advertisement for the vehicle as a brand. Let's see what they do to it.
 
Oh I'm sure it's a great material to use, I just don't think it looks all that great. I wouldn't want four blue things sticking out of the back of my car...especially if I had a GT-R, which I don't feel is a particularly good looking car to begin with.
 
I'm sure that's just a quickly fabbed exhaust because the pipe wasn't actually bent. All those little angles would hinder flow the tiniest bit. They'll probably bend up a bunch of sections and weld them together rather than making it piece by piece for production.
 

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