2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery

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I think it's quite unfair to compare the entry level GTR to the top entry "enhanced" versions of other cars.

I'll play your card and say let's be patient.
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I wasn't actually comparing a base level GTR.
So far, I haven't seen anything about real differences in GTR levels so I've only compared based on the rumored GTR performance (7'38-7'50 ring times) and what Best Motoring has done (as you can easily tune into GTChannel and see that BM has already compared a SuperLeggera and maybe a GT3 and Turbo, although it could be a GT2 or something else... Can't really say, I just know they are Porsches).

In any case, I think that you mis-understood what I was saying. No biggie. :indiff:
 
Keef
Anyway, cars like the Z06, Viper, Turbo, Gallardo, and others like them don't make massive downforce. None of them were designed in a wind tunnel.
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Half right. They were all designed in the wind tunnel, but only a couple of them produce downforce (and none of them produce as much). Even the ZR-1, with all its awesome looking body pieces, still has lift.
 
I believe 2008 will be a very happy year for the guys at Evo, BMI and every other yoyo itching to take a crack at the GTR, to put it up against the newest and best Porsche, Ferrari, whatever...

Weird, though... all these arguments about a car that may or may not be faster than a 911 Turbo... when Porsche has built a 911 that may or may not be as fast as an all-out supercar, in the 911 GT2... and GM is building a ZR1 with enough ponies to trample the competition to death...

It'll be a very interesting year, indeed. :D :D :D
 
skylineGTR_guy
GTR wins supercar of the year according to top gear: (audi R8 won sports car of the year)

http://www.topgear.com/content/timetoburn/sections/galleries/other/awards07/12/
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And I just lost all respect for Top Gear (not that it wasn't predictable, I've already deleted all the vids and whatnot so I sort of expected something like this).

IMO, you can not give Supercar of the year to the generalized "GTR" in a year when the F430 Scuderia debuted.

Oh well, it looks like the Top Gear crew thinks of the GTR as the best Supercar and there's nothing to get around that (except disregarding their opinions :lol: ).
 
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Thats a brilliant pic.

Thing I dont get is, its the 2007 awards and GTR is a 2008 car..
 
Now, wait, how did the GT-R get SUPERCAR of the year and the R8 get SPORTS CAR of the year?

Isn't that backwards?
 
Keef
Downforce creates drag and slows you down. Any amount of downforce makes a huge and very noticeable difference in a car's behavior. There are very few cars on the road that even have a neutral balance, much less downforce. The vast majority of cars create lift. With that amount of downforce the GT-R will probably feel more stable at 180mph than it does at 80.
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If i remember rightly, the review written in EVO on the GT-R stated that compared to a 997 Turbo on the same stretch of motorway, the GT-R stuggled to reach the same 170+mph that the Porsche managed easily. I guess it's downforce/drag balance was to blame for this.
 
TheCracker
If i remember rightly, the review written in EVO on the GT-R stated that compared to a 997 Turbo on the same stretch of motorway, the GT-R stuggled to reach the same 170+mph that the Porsche managed easily. I guess it's downforce/drag balance was to blame for this.
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Whereas in top gear magazine its the opposite.
 
I think it'neras safe to assume that performance with GT_R is going to be close to the 997 Turbo. The 997 Turbo was the benchmark and give or take small differences better or worse I think it'd be close.

Kent
And I just lost all respect for Top Gear (not that it wasn't predictable, I've already deleted all the vids and whatnot so I sort of expected something like this).

IMO, you can not give Supercar of the year to the generalized "GTR" in a year when the F430 Scuderia debuted.

Oh well, it looks like the Top Gear crew thinks of the GTR as the best Supercar and there's nothing to get around that (except disregarding their opinions ).
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I understand your point, but when you take all the factors in, including price, the GT-R has a big upper hand. There's no denying that the F430 Scuderia is a better performance car. But for the price (here in the UK at least), the GT-R is amazing. If the award didn't factor price into it then I could see it being a different result.
 
It is absolutely amazing how quick the aftermarket has jumped on the GT-R since its debut, what, three months ago? That one looks really, really good. I'd love to hear what the power figures are like...
 
RE: Top Gear: They've actually nominated the GTR, the R8 and the F430 Scudeira all at once... somehow, by naming the R8 a "sportscar" (well, technically, since its engine puts it in Porsche 911 and M3 territory power-wise, maybe, but what the heck...) and calling the F430 a "Super-experience" or "drive of the year" or something.

Remember, these are all nominations. The actual TG car of the year is in the magazine... if anybody feels like scoring one and sharing the result, thank you. :lol:

RE: Evo drive... they noted that there was too much traffic on the drive for them to really floor it, and that it seemed to struggle to find speed, but they still did 180. They hit ridiculous numbers in the Turbo, but no word on traffic conditions when they did it, and they cautioned against drawing conclusions based on this... I suppose a head-to-head is in the cards in future issues, but yeah, it does seem to indicate that the GT-R might be a little slower to top speed than the Turbo...
 
In GT5 prologue a video on GTTV has KY driving a GTR on the autobahn he hit 311km/h before backing off and it didn't seem to take too long doing it. It can make high speeds like that no doubt, but the aerodynamics of the 997 probably allows it to accelerate slightly faster at high speeds like that.
 
Dave A
I think it'neras safe to assume that performance with GT_R is going to be close to the 997 Turbo. The 997 Turbo was the benchmark and give or take small differences better or worse I think it'd be close.

I understand your point, but when you take all the factors in, including price, the GT-R has a big upper hand. There's no denying that the F430 Scuderia is a better performance car. But for the price (here in the UK at least), the GT-R is amazing. If the award didn't factor price into it then I could see it being a different result.
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I'm still not sold on the idea that Top Gear made the right choice because Nissan still hasn't (or I haven't seen) provided any solid data about the price of the car and the level of performance.
For all I know, the performance that carries the GTR comes from an Evo model that costs far more than the base line 70,000.

Even with price in mind, I can't say the GTR deserves honors as best "Supercar" over the F430 Scuderia.
Heck, one of the most basic concepts to the idea of Supercars is that price is no object. :indiff:
 


Very good battle!

The Porsche is a bit too heavy and "sloppy" in the corners, but after the GT-R passed, it really looked like the driver gave up. They aren't that difficult to drive (I assume PASM was engaged?), but then again, I haven't driven a Porsche in a while...

I demand an appearance by a Z06 and SRT-10, stat!
 
Well, it IS Best MOTORing.

The Porsche feeling heavy on, of all things, Tsukuba, doesn't surprise me, Since the Turbo's a "Big track" car, not a short track runner. With Nissan's technical wizardry, the car might seem lighter than it is, but I wouldn't choose either car for an attack on Tsukuba, much preferring something lighter.
 
YSSMAN
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Very good battle!

The Porsche is a bit too heavy and "sloppy" in the corners, but after the GT-R passed, it really looked like the driver gave up. They aren't that difficult to drive (I assume PASM was engaged?), but then again, I haven't driven a Porsche in a while...
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I admit I was surprised to see Daisuke Ito climb out of the Turbo. I bet if the track was Suzuka, the result would be very different, because of both the car and driver being better suited.
 
Then why did they spend all that time at the Nurb?

It's a Best Motoring race, I'll take it with a grain of salt, (The NSX-R seems to be powerfully gifted, as they keep comparing it to cars like the Gallardo Superleggera and Porsche GT3) but there's no reason to assume that a car beat another just because it was tuned specifically for that track when so much development time was put forth at another entirely.

I'm guessing that Nissan's trick ETS-ATESSA AWD helped this time. My ideal weapon for Tsukuba, though, would be a Lancer Evolution. The Turbo and GT-R ar what I consider "Big Track" cars.
 
Interesting battle, I can't wait to see it properly subbed and shown in high quality (I've been waiting on that battle's release for a while now).

Unfortunately, I was disappointed with one thing...

At 36 seconds into the video we begin to approach the second to last turn (the big U-turn before the straight).
Sure enough, if you watch the difference in track position between the Porsche and the GTR at 40 to 42 seconds it is far beyond obvious that the Porsche was not on the proper racing line. Of course that ended up ruining the corner exit (which didn't even look good for the bad line) and of course that ruins the straight and in the end we get what appears to be a Porsche being blown out of the water by a GTR.

It's going to be interesting to see the GTR in more and more battles.
Obviously it's fast, just as fast as the pack. However, that horrible display of using the racing line does nothing to show whether or not the GTR is superior to cars like the Porsche (atleast, in my opinion, bad racing line = slow lap = overtaken).

Still great to see the video but I'm looking forward to a more proper comparison. 👍
(It really bugs me when the race is lost on a bad turn but it kills me to see Ito execute the bad turn). :banghead:

PS. Without the "give-up attitude" of Ito and the Botched U-turn at the begining I'm not sure the GTR would have ever managed a pass.
 
YSSMAN


Very good battle!

The Porsche is a bit too heavy and "sloppy" in the corners, but after the GT-R passed, it really looked like the driver gave up. They aren't that difficult to drive (I assume PASM was engaged?), but then again, I haven't driven a Porsche in a while...

I demand an appearance by a Z06 and SRT-10, stat!
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I assume they gave the GT-R to the better driver, and also consider the fact that the Porsche has the engine...in the back. Which is an awful idea. Porsche has come this far, and it's obvious they've still got work to do. It seems the two cars are about the same in acceleration, but understeer is easier to control and usually quicker than oversteer.

Overall, I would like to see the two cars on a big track. Laguna Seca, Suzuka, Monza, etc. Wherever the magazines will test them. Tsukuba is a tiny, tight, slow track, relatively. The Porsche wouldn't display such an oversteer problem on bigger, faster corners I feel.
 
SagarisGTB
I bet if the track was Suzuka, the result would be very different, because of both the car and driver being better suited.
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I'd assume the same as well. It would give Porsche a lot more room to do what it does best; Go crazy-fast. That being said, it nearly seemed as though the GT-R was out-accelerating it easily during the overtake...

Jim
I'm guessing that Nissan's trick ETS-ATESSA AWD helped this time. My ideal weapon for Tsukuba, though, would be a Lancer Evolution. The Turbo and GT-R ar what I consider "Big Track" cars.
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Hate to break it to ya, but the Evo X had its ass handed to it by not just the new STi, but the previous version, and the Evo IX MR as well... All done on Best Motoring. The video is in the Impreza thread in premium, I think....
 

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