2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery

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Regardless of which one is faster or whether the track or drivers had anything to do with the outcome, both the Turbo and the GT-R are fiendishly fast, and both are awesome. The Porsche looks like more fun, though. ;)

YSSMAN
Hate to break it to ya, but the Evo X had its ass handed to it by not just the new STi, but the previous version, and the Evo IX MR as well... All done on Best Motoring. The video is in the Impreza thread in premium, I think....
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Yeah, that was a bit of a shocker. The new STI may look like a Corolla but it certainly isn't one. Solid Fro posted the video in the Videos & Photos forum, too.
 
let's see.. 997 TT got 100m handicap start, and still GT-R reeled it in quickly. I admit that the 997TT's tyres were pretty much done for.. even '07 JGTC GT500 class champion couldn't prevent it from being sloppy in the corners.. and then there is this thing that the 997 TT was tiptronic model that doesn't have LSD like the manual. so, if.. no, WHEN GT-R is tested against manual 997 TT that has fresh tyres, we will see the true result of this battle between two titans.
 
Leonidae
let's see.. 997 TT got 100m handicap start, and still GT-R reeled it in quickly. I admit that the 997TT's tyres were pretty much done for.. even '07 JGTC GT500 class champion couldn't prevent it from being sloppy in the corners.. and then there is this thing that the 997 TT was tiptronic model that doesn't have LSD like the manual. so, if.. no, WHEN GT-R is tested against manual 997 TT that has fresh tyres, we will see the true result of this battle between two titans.
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I was wondering why they were using a tiptronic 911 turbo, didn't seem like fair game. I mean, throw the GTR against the slowest 911 Turbo model.
 
Leonidae
I thought the tiptronic was slightly faster than the manual when accelerating..:odd:
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It is indeed quicker 0 to 60 than manual. The manual acheives this is 3.7 seconds and the tiptronic takes 3.4 seconds to so the same. However i dont really see such a tiny margin being to significant.

Got my info from Porsche's own website too - Linky

Spec....
 
YSSMAN
Hate to break it to ya, but the Evo X had its ass handed to it by not just the new STi, but the previous version, and the Evo IX MR as well... All done on Best Motoring. The video is in the Impreza thread in premium, I think....
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You could argue, though, that since Tsuchiya was the one driving the STi, then that car had an advantage.
 
Leave the STI talk for another thread. ;) :sly:

My impression of the GTR battle remains the same in many ways. Bad racing line lead to bad results for the Porsche.
My guess is that the GTR and the 997 Turbo are just about equal overall but I get the feeling they both trade off the title of "faster car" based on what section of track, what driver, and what other specifics are at play.

Overall I'm very impressed with the GTR but I still don't consider it a supercar killer and certainly not supercar of the year.

Btw, what song is this at about 54 second into the video?


Cheesy Classic Rock on Best Motoring!!! 👍
I just gained a new kind of respect for these guys. :sly:

Edit: :lol:
I think it's "Feels like the first time" maybe that's styxx or something? :dunce:

Edit: :lol:
The video's loaded with Classic Rock! :lol:
At 1'40 it starts with more rock... This is odd to me now so I'm headed off to watch all the parts of the video.
Btw, has anyone noticed that the SuperLeggera and GT3 aren't in this video even though all of these cars were seen together in pre-shootout prepping on the recent gtchannel releases?
 
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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You know, that's almost funny. Of course, wider track makes the car more stable, what with higher power and all.
 
But it also adds weight, which is bad. I still thing the Lotus philosophy is the best when it comes to making a sports car.
 
Joey D
But it also adds weight, which is bad. I still thing the Lotus philosophy is the best when it comes to making a sports car.
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That being said, I'm kind of amazed how many R34 cues got magnified for the R35. I mean, look at the two: the details are striking similar, and seeing the two cars in the same photo, in the same color, so close together...they do look like brothers.

but, yeah, the 35 is bigger than the 34, but, one must remember, the 33 was also bigger than the 34. I wonder how an R33 compares to the new GT-R.
 
Jim Prower
but, yeah, the 35 is bigger than the 34, but, one must remember, the 33 was also bigger than the 34. I wonder how an R33 compares to the new GT-R.
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R33 was only 70mm (70mm from memory) longer which also made the wheelbase longer, not wider, the extra length is in section between the B and C pillars (back seat area).
 
The wideness of the R35 almost makes it look like it's going to eat up its R34 brotheren! "R34 Skyline... I own (pwn) you!" The R34 looks very racy. We've been accustomed to the R34 Skyline probably since Gran Turismo 2. The R35 Skyline looks very racy, except when you account the fact this thing is about 350-400 lbs. heavier than the R34. I've heard a lot about how the R34 Skyline's rear wing can actually be adjusted. Probably can't do that with the R35 Skyline. I'd like to imagine what a Nismo-spec model of this thing would be like. I apologize if they already came out with a Nismo-tuned version of the R35 Skyline that I'm not aware of, but I'd probably imagine it would be much lighter, have some new aero parts, perhaps even more power than this Japanese beast already has. I'd be even more curious as to how Godzilla (the Falken GT-R that races the 24 Hours at the Nürburgring) would look for the 24H at the Nürburgring.

I think it's a very nice machine, just not ready to say "lovely" or "beautiful" yet. I still (my personal preference) dislike the "mustache" under the GT-R badge. I know the look provides that illusion of a grill that looks longer than it really is, but I don't like it that much. The roofline still concerns me. I still think this car's going to be worth the money for those who want one of their own. Just be ready to prove other drivers of other sports cars in its class that this GT-R is for real. Show that there is no such rule in which Japanese sports cars are always supposed to be disliked and pushed to the side. It's sure going to be interesting how this car performs in the United States against a variety of competition.
 
Y'know, considering the size difference, and all the extra features the new car packs, the weight gain really isn't that bad. It's still a heffer for the class, but if it can compete, then it's okay by me. Plus, a supercar's gotta be wide compared to some sedan-based sporty car... heh.
 
Those specs they give there are almost identical to the Corvette Z06 and Porsche 911 Turbo, no surprise there to be honest. I still want to see the American car magazines get their hands on them and wring 'em out. Should be a very interesting battle...
 
Personally, I'm still looking to see a comparison of the R34 Z-tune and the R35.
My guess is that they are very similar and the R35 does what the Z-tune did as a production car (instead of a highly limited edition).

In any case, glad to see quality contributions in the thread. 👍
 
Interesting.

A 3.83 second 0-100 km/h time, considering the vehicle doesn't need to shift into 3rd until 105 km/h, means about a 3.3 second 0-60 mph time... that's smashingly good for such a heavy car.

GT-R versus Corvette battle? Why not?
 
3.3 seconds from 0-62 was achieved when the launch control was enabled. Of course, Corvette fanatics are now claiming that R35 should run against ZR-1 since Z06 could be beaten theoretically. That tells something about GT-R's performance if they need to resort to factory tuned big gun in order to keep R35 behind. Same can be applied for Porsche.. :lol:
 
Leonidae
3.3 seconds from 0-62 was achieved when the launch control was enabled. Of course, Corvette fanatics are now claiming that R35 should run against ZR-1 since Z06 could be beaten theoretically. That tells something about GT-R's performance if they need to resort to factory tuned big gun in order to keep R35 behind. Same can be applied for Porsche.. :lol:
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Isn't that something of a double standard on your part... I mean, that is to say... Isn't the GTR Nissan's factory tuned big gun?
In any case, there is some truth to the idea that the ZR-1 should run against the GTR, fact of the matter is, the Z06 has been one-upped by the ZR-1 and so the GTR can run against the Z06 but if the GTR wants to be outright faster than the Vette then it needs to beat the vette in general, not the one-under-top-of-the-line vette.

Just the same, I think the GTR should atleast start with a race against the Z06. Not only are the similar enough to make a good race but they are also similar in terms of cost. I'd also bet they are close in terms of the numbers sold... I have a feeling the ZR-1 is much more rare than the GTR.

Does anyone know how many ZR-1s will be produced? (same question for the GTR as well)
 
The new GT-R indeed is the factory tuned flagship of Nissan, but it's still the "base model" of its model range. It may well be capable of taking on the ZR-1 but it would sound more logical to pit the GT-R against the Z06 and the GT-R V-Spec (or whatever that new performance model will be called) against the ZR-1 so they would have base models and high performance models in their own separated battles.
 
Leonidae
Of course, Corvette fanatics are now claiming that R35 should run against ZR-1 since Z06 could be beaten theoretically. That tells something about GT-R's performance if they need to resort to factory tuned big gun in order to keep R35 behind. Same can be applied for Porsche.. :lol:
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Who said that? The GT-R and the Z06 are performing nearly identically, and personally speaking, I'd rather see the $70K Z06 face off against the $70K GT-R, and just for good measure, throw in the $80K SRT-10 Coupe. They all perform in the same acceleration, handling, top-speed, etc bracket... It will likely come down to consistent driving in all of the vehicles to find out who the fastest is on a track. And not just any little track like Tsubuka, something of decent size to balance the competition out fairly...

I personally like seeing the GT-R perform this well, and I welcome the "threat" as a Corvette (and 911) fan. If the GT-R is faster, so be it, but I'd still buy the Chevy. Yes, I know, I'm just a crazy American who didn't spend enough time playing with his GT-R in Gran Turismo...

Kent
Does anyone know how many ZR-1s will be produced? (same question for the GTR as well)
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The ZR1 (its all together now) production numbers haven't been announced, but I'd expect it to be no more than 1500 a year. That being said, I could be underestimating demand... The Z06 has exceeded sales expectations, I believe.

As for the GT-R, I'm uncertain of global production figures, but I believe just a shade more than 1000 are coming to the US per year. Its supposed to be fewer than one GT-R per dealer (on a national scale), so many areas won't likely see one for a year or two.
 
I hope it doesn't burn them. It's kind of hard to launch a new sportscar (and, let's face it, without the Skyline monicker, this is new to most people) in this kind of blah-blah-green market.
 
Just an ethical question now... what does this mean for Nissan to come up with such an awesome sports car to take on other cars in its class or just about its class? I'm hearing this car will be coming out (according to NBC's International Auto Show this past Sunday) in about June. Could you see yourself riding down the Interstate with this?
 
Oh, I could see myself... but I wouldn't be the owner... :lol:

For me, the ethics of owning a sports car is a silly question. If you're rich enough to afford having a house bigger than a tiny grass hut, sleep on a spring mattress (or memory foam, which seems to be all the rage, nowadays), use any electronic items and eat food bought at the supermarket and not grown in your backyard, you're just as responsible as the next guy for the mess we're in.

Singling out conspicuous consumption by a small segment of the population tends to ignore the fact that we all overconsume beyond what we need... in the name of comfort... luxury... personal satisfaction, etcetera... it's just plain ridiculous, and possibly partially due to spite and envy, besides the self-righteous zealotry.

I don't doubt that the greenies will decry this new super-fast monstrosity, but I don't see people burning GT-Rs wholesale (fried Hummer, anyone?) just yet.
 

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