2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery

[Perfect Balance]

Curvy cars = no orange peel.

 

[Joey D]

Curvy cars = no orange peel.

The GT-R really isn't square though, it had some decent curves and looks more or less like a Japanese version of a Vette.

 

[Jim Prower]

I dunno. perhaps that car had a quick respray. oh, maybe it's a bad photograph, but I would hope that any new prodcution car, especially in the GT-R's price range, wouldn't look as if it had just come from the Maaco.

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

I've seen it up close in person and the paint was flawless, no orangepeel at all.

 

[Jim Prower]

Perhaps that one's a respray, then. wouldnt' surprise me, as I'm sure a few prepro cars would get resprayed.

 

[Dave A]

Wow this thread is really bitter. I am not clutching at straws nor do I feel "threatened" by a friggen car or those who like the car, I'm not even a huge Corvette fan (I like them but would never own one). I wish I could -rep your post.

If the Vette had the same thing on it I would not be happy around it, however I've seen hundreds of Vettes and the only ones with orange peel are older C5's and pretty much every C4. When I see a C6 with the same thing I will be unhappy about it.

Yes it is bitter, and I'm pointing the finger at the discussion as it was before my post (but no one post in particular). Honestly, you're picking arguments about the car from nothing, your coming across and completely biased against the GT-R when you start talking about the paint based on a single photo, which according to articles and people who have seen the car is immaculate.

You see one picture where it isn't and right away your hands are round the cas neck. It's a foundationless argument that was always going to fail, a lot like many of the arguments I've seen in this thread. the GT-R is not perfect, I don't think it is and for £55k I wouldn't buy one but that's not to say I can't give the car credit for being a damn good performance coupe for the money and accept the realisation that the car has a big following worldwide. It's not just you that's been doing this, but remember it's just a car, it's not that important that you need to justify not liking it with unfouded criticism.

 

[Joey D]

Where did I say the car had poor performance? I'm talking about the bad paint job on it...that's not saying the car is slow. For the price it should be painted correctly, that is all I am saying. You are the one making a huge deal about it.

 

[Stevisiov]

Here's the thing, you've seen one photo, that's one photograph where it looks like it might have that peel effect in the paint. On one hand it might, on the other it might just be the photograph. The GT-R is a performance car that can be used daily right, that's something you often say about the Corvette, now I'm betting that if the Corvette had this paint, peel effect or not, you'd be happy about it and you'd be criticising anyone that tried to say otherwise or labeling them Corvette haters.

Swings and roundabouts my man, what this thread has basically come down to is people criticising the car for the hell of it. Oh look it has this great scratch resistant paint let's criticise it for it. Honestly, look at the arguments being brought in, when people take arguments over a car this deep and are so opposed to the car I wonder if there is any hope for the world at all. Is it jus tme or is it totally crazy to get bent out of shape over something like this.

We all have preferrences when it comes to cars, and you probably feel threatened by the GT-R or the GT-R fans in relation to the Corvette since the Vette is your car of choice (and your refference to the Vette in your last post only backs this up) and that in many ways they compete. But get over it, don't stand in a corner that no one has put you in and start coming up with some random clutching at straws arguments just for the hell of it or to make you feel batter in some way or another I don't know, I don't really care but get over it, it's a car, like it or not it's a good one with a hell of a following.

Well said mate. While I have my own skeptisisms about this car, i.e lap times or Nissan stated lap times, I still belive this is a bloody good car regardless. As a result I hate to see these cheep shots being batted about. People complaining about its the plasma lining in the engine being re-done every year, the paint looking a bit cruddy (which dosen't appear to be the case). It being fat and porky (which is doesn't make a car instantly crap, i.e Veyron). I have a few issues myself with this car, but seriously the amount of stupid niggly arguments are pretty pointless and many appear to be nothing short of naive and 'for the sake of it' type arguments.

Can we make these points a little more worthwhile? and then perhaps a decent discussion can come out of it.

 

[Div is back]

What's next? Let's talk about the bolts in the car...they aren't screwed right, I'm sure of it, I've seen it on Top Gear! The car sucks!

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

What's next? Let's talk about the bolts in the car...they aren't screwed right, I'm sure of it, I've seen it on Top Gear! The car sucks!

oh oh how about that the limiter deactivates when you get to a race track yet if you take it to a track the warranty will be invalidated anyway?

 

[Div is back]

So?
Is this anything new?

Rubbish.

 

[Kent]

oh oh how about that the limiter deactivates when you get to a race track yet if you take it to a track the warranty will be invalidated anyway?

Did Nissan really release a statement that track use invalidates the warranty?
That sucks for a track inspired sports car.
Makes me wonder if damage done on the track is specifically what will not be covered (as I see no reason for the warranty to be invalid if the problem occurs under normal driving circumstance regardless of where the car has been).

In any case, if you could let me know what's up with the warranty situation I'd be interested to learn about what is known. 👍

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Did Nissan really release a statement that track use invalidates the warranty?

if you take any car to the track no matter what it is (caterham,m3 csl,911GT3RS, 1 litre vauxhall corsa) that still under warranty it will straight away be void as thats not what the car was made to do.its why so often if someones car breaks youll see it towed a couple of miles down the road and then they will call the AA/RAC.
Thats usually when you go to a trackday fairly new cars will have ether thier plates taped up or show plates when on the track.There is a guy that usually turns up to our trackdays with a gallardo,its blew up a couple of months back (still under warranty) and the garage wont fix it because theres videos of the gallardo on youtube at knockhill.......even though the dealership runs the trackdays for its customers....

 

[Kent]

if you take any car to the track no matter what it is (caterham,m3 csl,911GT3RS, 1 litre vauxhall corsa) that still under warranty it will straight away be void as thats not what the car was made to do.its why so often if someones car breaks youll see it towed a couple of miles down the road and then they will call the AA/RAC.
Thats usually when you go to a trackday fairly new cars will have ether thier plates taped up or show plates when on the track.There is a guy that usually turns up to our trackdays with a gallardo,its blew up a couple of months back (still under warranty) and the garage wont fix it because theres videos of the gallardo on youtube at knockhill.......even though the dealership runs the trackdays for its customers....

So basically you're saying "because."
What I mean is...
When I asked you if Nissan had a release regarding this issue, I was really asking you for Nissan's words on the matter (not the generalized sort of logic you explained).

Point is, I may have to look into the GT-R's warranty for myself if I want to find out any more.
Unless someone here is willing to do the work for me and get some official info. It's all good, I'll take a look when I get the chance.

 

[Dave A]

So?
Is this anything new?

Rubbish.

I think he was being light hearted with that one. My initial reaction was the same as yours, I was thinking "and, whats different". But in context after what you said it sounds more like light hearted sarcasm.

 

[forza2.0]

Factory cars nowadays all come like that. Take a look at some brand new cars if you don't believe me.

And orange-peely looking paint lasts longer for some reason apparently.

A guy I know had a little bit of orange peel on the rear end of his M5, took it back to the dealership and they resprayed it for him.....

I'd wager that it looks a lot better in person than in that one photo. There you have it Joey, a GT-R will look new a lot longer than other 70k cars, plus point to the GT-R then.

Not quite as that/similiar technology has been used on other cars.

Wow this thread is really bitter. I am not clutching at straws nor do I feel "threatened" by a friggen car or those who like the car

I dont get why some people think we hate nissan or the GTR because we were sceptical about its performance (which it hasnt so far lived up to) and its rather crappy looking orange peel paint job.


What really amazes me though is that some of the same people who said the veyron was crap for weighing about 2 tonnes love this new GTR which for some reason is rather portly. Then there are all the people who said the veyron was crap around corners because of its weight, and crap because its so damn easy to drive plus all the other little creature comforts it had such as being able to hold conversation at very high speeds, and for having all that technology.

Well if you look at it the GTR is basically a veyron but just alot slower and alot cheaper. Steering feel isnt great, its easy to drive fast, packed with gizmos, heavy and has a OTT paintjob. Its not a real sportscar. Its a bloody gadget with wheels.

GTR owners will be down the pub saying how much quicker their GTR is than the 911, RS Audi AMG or M is but at the end of the day its those guys that will get the girl and the gizmo geek guys home alone

 

[Div is back]

I think he was being light hearted with that one. My initial reaction was the same as yours, I was thinking "and, whats different". But in context after what you said it sounds more like light hearted sarcasm.

You're right.

 

[Div is back]

A guy I know had a little bit of orange peel on the rear end of his M5, took it back to the dealership and they resprayed it for him.....



Not quite as that/similiar technology has been used on other cars.



I dont get why some people think we hate nissan or the GTR because we were sceptical about its performance (which it hasnt so far lived up to) and its rather crappy looking orange peel paint job.


What really amazes me though is that some of the same people who said the veyron was crap for weighing about 2 tonnes love this new GTR which for some reason is rather portly. Then there are all the people who said the veyron was crap around corners because of its weight, and crap because its so damn easy to drive plus all the other little creature comforts it had such as being able to hold conversation at very high speeds, and for having all that technology.

Well if you look at it the GTR is basically a veyron but just alot slower and alot cheaper. Steering feel isnt great, its easy to drive fast, packed with gizmos, heavy and has a OTT paintjob. Its not a real sportscar. Its a bloody gadget with wheels.

GTR owners will be down the pub saying how much quicker their GTR is than the 911, RS Audi AMG or M is but at the end of the day its those guys that will get the girl and the gizmo geek guys home alone

Forza2.0:
Real sports car = one that will get the girls

 

[forza2.0]

Forza2.0:
Real sports car = one that will get the girls

England is a funny place. A evo will spank a BMW all day long but its the BMW driver that will be going home with the girl from the pub at kick out time

quote of Mr. Mizuno regards laptimes:
Earlier, Mizuno-san had offered some lap times from the Nordschliefe for various cars driven by the German magazine SportAuto. Those times are driver-dependent, track-knowledge-dependent, weather-, traffic- and bunny-crossing-the-track dependent. But Mizuno suggested the GT-R could get anywhere from 7:44 on up, with most laps coming in between 7:55 and 7:58. So he suggested the GT-R’s strong suit was that it offered “the best cost per lap time.” For whatever that’s worth.

from 2009 Nissan GT-R - AutoWeek Magazine

another quote of Mr. Mizuno:
GTR chief engineer Kazutoshi Mizuno told PistonHeads that his baby had covered over 3000 miles at the Nordschleife and avoided other circuits as they were deemed 'too easy'.

Nissan's original target was to beat the 911 Turbo at the 'ring but they ended up worrying the Porsche Carrera GT.

They didn't beat the GT's 7min 32sec lap time, but got a 7.38 in semi-wet conditions.

'We used cut slick tyres' said Mizuno.

'I was not interested in full slick times as this bears no resemblance to a road tyre. 1.2G of force was being pulled in wet and over 2 in dry'.

from PistonHeads Headlines

so the car wasn't street legal, and a standard car would lap the ring in 7:55, that's more believable and is in accordance with sportauto's laptime.
But, there is the possibility that pistonheads, autoweek and sportauto are all talking some bogus about GT-R while nissan has made the fastest production car EVER with an extra 600-700 lbs, 100+ less HP than its nearest competitor and a runflat tire! if that's the case, i reckon all car makers should stop making performance car and bow at everything nissan.

 

[Div is back]

England is a funny place. A evo will spank a BMW all day long but its the BMW driver that will be going home with the girl from the pub at kick out time

Your definition, really, shows why no one cares about your opinions.

 

[McLaren]

Well if you look at it the GTR is basically a veyron but just alot slower and alot cheaper. Steering feel isnt great, its easy to drive fast, packed with gizmos, heavy and has a OTT paintjob. Its not a real sportscar. Its a bloody gadget with wheels.

While the Veyron may be technically advanced, it is not full of gizmos like the GTR.

England is a funny place. A evo will spank a BMW all day long but its the BMW driver that will be going home with the girl from the pub at kick out time

What kind of silly definition is this? And no, I'm not talking about the Evo beating the BMW all day.

 

[YSSMAN]

This thread is silly. Really, truly silly.

How much longer must we wait until we get a 110% full-test of the GT-R to prove its performance either way? Furthermore, against other equally-fast cars?

All I want, much like most other people, is the TRUTH. I could honestly care less what way anything goes, I just want the FACTS, pure and simple.

...Unfortunately, it appears as though we won't get it any time soon...

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

I just want the FACTS, pure and simple.

It does 0-60 in 3.3 (not following standard road test rules for performance testing though i.e. 2 people on board with at least half a tank of fuel proof )
it does the same 1/4 mile as a 997 turbo proof
it outbraked by a 997 turbo and brakes the same as a viper proof
is outhandled by a viper proof
has 475bhp at the hubs proof
does the nurburgring in 7:50 (sport auto)
Struggles above 170mph (EVO 113)
brakes melted after a couple of laps of the nurburgring GP track at the hands of a german tester(evo 112)

hope that helps

 

[Tornado]

The GT-R really isn't square though, it had some decent curves and looks more or less like a Japanese version of a Vette.

Yeah, other than all of the hard creases and flat surfaces it is exactly like a Mini.

 

[Joey D]

Yeah, other than all of the hard creases and flat surfaces it is exactly like a Mini.

Where did I say the GT-R looked like a Mini? I'm pretty sure I said it looks like the Japanese version of the a Corvette because that is what it was being compared to? I'm sorry but that was a rather uncalled for and un-needed comment.

The GT-R really isn't square though, it had some decent curves and looks more or less like a Japanese version of a Vette.

No where in that post do I see the words Mini or Cooper.

 

[Tornado]

Where did I say the GT-R looked like a Mini? I'm pretty sure I said it looks like the Japanese version of the a Corvette because that is what it was being compared to?

It all started when Perfect Balance mentioned that all cars these days carry similar paint.
You said the Mini doesn't have paint like that.
When it was explained to you that the effect doesn't happen on round cars, you claimed that the GT-R was round (in effect saying it was as round as your Mini and that it shouldn't happen to the GT-R because it doesn't happen to your car). Then you compared it directly to a Corvette, which is also much less angular.
And regardless of which, you looked at one photo, and determined that the GT-R had terrible quality paint on the wheels. When possible theories were explained to you, you just used the old "well, they said this so I will use it against them" standby and then said it still looked crummy. You essentially jumped to conclusions based on incomplete information (which pretty much both sides of the thread have been doing since page 1), and when you were lumped together with others who did the same thing, you whined "Oh, I wish I could -rep you right now." So to be honest, this part here:

I'm sorry but that was a rather uncalled for and un-needed comment.

Is pretty ironic. ESPECIALLY since you brought the whole thing up in the first place.

 

[Joey D]

It all started when Perfect Balance mentioned that all cars these days carry similar paint.
You said the Mini doesn't have paint like that.
When it was explained to you that the effect doesn't happen on round cars, you claimed that the GT-R was round (in effect saying it was as round as your Mini and that it shouldn't happen to the GT-R because it doesn't happen to your car). Then you compared it directly to a Corvette, which is also much less angular.
And regardless of which, you looked at one photo, and determined that the GT-R had terrible quality paint on the wheels. When possible theories were explained to you, you just used the old "well, they said this so I will use it against them" standby and then said it still looked crummy. You essentially jumped to conclusions based on incomplete information (which pretty much both sides of the thread have been doing since page 1), and when you were lumped together with others who did the same thing, you whined "Oh, I wish I could -rep you right now." So to be honest, this part here:

I think you misunderstood the conversation. Perfect Balance posted his curvy car comment after I posted about how the Vette does not show orange peel in all the examples I have seen (which is a fair comment to make). I responded to that comment by saying the GT-R looks like the what a Corvette would look like if it was styled for the Japanese market and not the American one. Since I have not seen the GT-R in person yet I can't say how it really is, but based on the pictures it seems to have similar lines to a Corvette.

I think my comment on the poor quality of the paint is a resonable one, that photo clearly showed orange peel in the paint, which is an undesirable thing to most car buyers on a new vehicle. It doesn't matter which new car has orange peel in the paint, I will think it has a poor quality paint job. Show me a 2007 Mini Cooper, 2007 Corvette Z06, BMW M3, whatever with orange peel in it and I will tell you straight up that it is shotty craftsmanship. It's a flaw on the car that does bug me because if you are spending that kind of money on a vehicle you should expect it to be up to quality standards. Does that mean I think it's an automatic poor car? Not at all, I agree it is very fast, handles quite well, and will lap some of the world's most famous race courses in an amazing time.

I do not really care for the styling of the vehicle (which is purely subjective) and I think it is a fairly over-hyped vehicle (something I think the ZR-1 was as well). However this has nothing to do with the comment I made about the paint.

 

[Sage]

This thread is silly. Really, truly silly.

Agreed.

People, stop the petty bickering, or I’ll close the thread. I’m serious – this thread is just a bickerfest that’s doing nothing but brewing bad blood (on the upside, I just got a four-word alliteration). It probably should have been closed long ago, but I’m willing to let it go if the tone changes. I don’t need everybody to be all lovey-dubby and daisies and kisses, but lighten up a bit.

I could honestly care less what way anything goes […]

Now that I don’t agree with, because it’s “I could not honestly care less”.

 

[YSSMAN]

Oops... I'll admit that my grammar is rarely perfect, but in this situation, I'm not sure most people would notice.

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I'm trying to think of a good way to spur discussion without causing a flame-fest, and its hard.

Should we play the "I've got $100K, what do you buy, and would you actually be able to live with it every day?" discussion?

I'm sure this turns into a 911 vs Corvette vs GT-R discussion... Again..

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Want me to be daring?

I'd buy a Pontiac G8 GT. There... I said it. Its slower, but it looks nicer, and carries more people comfortably. So be it!

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

should be an interesting video cant wait for its release:
http://drive.gtchannel.com/?c=127&a=1521