200pt A-spec races
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Hopefully somebody can help with this. I've done the GT World Championships many times and have got 200 points on all tracks except Hong Kong and Opera Paris. Is there a car and set up for getting 200 points at these tracks without having to qualify? I have tried with no luck so far.Cheers,
Nige
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Nige, have you tried the Chaparral 2J on R2s ? I suck at driving but I seem somehow to manage most GTWC races with this baby.
Another candidate I picked up in this huge thread is the MB CLK GTR + 100 weight on R1s. Havent tried that one though.
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One of the posts suggested using the ASL Garaiya on R1's for the Laguna 200 miles. So: 295bhp, 30kg of ballast in the nose: 200pts.
But I just cannot keep up with the Saleen - its easily a second or two a lap quicker. I can managed low 1'32 laps at best. Worst of all, the R1 tyres don't last 30 laps, so I have to pit the same no. of times as the Saleen (4). Result? No chance in hell of winning. Anything I can do to go a bit quicker for the points??
I'm starting to get tired of chasing computer-cars that are faster AND managed to stay out on their tyres for an eternity. Or perhaps, once again, I just completely lack the ability to drive at the required pace.
But I just cannot keep up with the Saleen - its easily a second or two a lap quicker. I can managed low 1'32 laps at best. Worst of all, the R1 tyres don't last 30 laps, so I have to pit the same no. of times as the Saleen (4). Result? No chance in hell of winning. Anything I can do to go a bit quicker for the points??
I'm starting to get tired of chasing computer-cars that are faster AND managed to stay out on their tyres for an eternity. Or perhaps, once again, I just completely lack the ability to drive at the required pace.
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AMG.Hmm, dont know about the last part, but glad to have made the proposal and that it worked out for you.
Did you get 200 points on R3s ????
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Yep. 200 points with the 2J at both Hong Kong and Paris. Used Very hard tyres ( R3's?) and didn't have to pit.
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Hi Renesis, maybe you and i should start the crappy driver club.
My notes taken from this thread are that an M3 GTR, Chip, R1 and NA1 should bag 195 points. No AI listed though. I havent tried this race yet, 2 reasons, I suck major at Seca. (Tried Mission 12 for over 18 hours, still no luck) b) I've only started recently on the long haul races.
Have you tried your luck with the race reports on Seca.
See https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=79188 post 1.
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Need help!!!
Was having an easy time with the Polyphony Digital Cup... until I came to round 6 - Motorland Reverse.
First try: S2 tyres. By lap 15 I could not steer whatsoever, and had to pit - the AI didn't and I lost, because you cannot lap quick enough in that tank.
Second attempt: S1 tyres. Managed a few more laps (17) but still couldn't steer, and got overtaken again.
Third attempt: N3 tyres: couldn't even lap quick enough to keep up with the Nismo 350Z. Annoyingly, every other car is so much slower.
I've tried everything I can do reduce tyre wear - low camber, 90% rear wheel drive, TCS, etc but everytime I race, I end up with red front tyres, and I lose. I'm fed up now, really pissed off at PD's usual incompetence at 'AI', random race lengths and unrealistic tyre wear (seriously - when the hell in real life does fuel outlast tyres by a factor of 3-4, or even greater??). This is the third time this week (yes, this week being Sunday and Monday...) I've had to abandon a c'ship mid-way just because one race is impossibly hard compared to all the others. So: anyone who's managed this one - please suggest settings/car/something I can do to get 200pts. Cos clearly the way things are going I won't be able to do it.
I'd agree - anyone getting 82000 isnt a crap driver. I've only managed to reach 60k today.
Was having an easy time with the Polyphony Digital Cup... until I came to round 6 - Motorland Reverse.
First try: S2 tyres. By lap 15 I could not steer whatsoever, and had to pit - the AI didn't and I lost, because you cannot lap quick enough in that tank.
Second attempt: S1 tyres. Managed a few more laps (17) but still couldn't steer, and got overtaken again.
Third attempt: N3 tyres: couldn't even lap quick enough to keep up with the Nismo 350Z. Annoyingly, every other car is so much slower.
I've tried everything I can do reduce tyre wear - low camber, 90% rear wheel drive, TCS, etc but everytime I race, I end up with red front tyres, and I lose. I'm fed up now, really pissed off at PD's usual incompetence at 'AI', random race lengths and unrealistic tyre wear (seriously - when the hell in real life does fuel outlast tyres by a factor of 3-4, or even greater??). This is the third time this week (yes, this week being Sunday and Monday...) I've had to abandon a c'ship mid-way just because one race is impossibly hard compared to all the others. So: anyone who's managed this one - please suggest settings/car/something I can do to get 200pts. Cos clearly the way things are going I won't be able to do it.
I'd agree - anyone getting 82000 isnt a crap driver. I've only managed to reach 60k today.
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try S3's - and pit before you can't turn, like when they're orange.
What car are you driving?
It's 4WD? 25-30% Front - 70-75% rear.
LSD Initial - 30
Acceleration - 30
Deceleration - 25
Brake Balance - 1 front - 5-10 rear.
suspension - about 2-3 points over the lowest spring rate
ride height 5mm below default
shocks 3 front 3 rear
8 front 8 rear
Camber - 1.4 1.0
Toe - 1 front - 2 rear
stabilizers 5 front - 4 rear
easy on the gas exiting corners now.
I don't remember how many laps it is, but you should be able to use S3's, and pit in the middle of the race instead of near the end.
Need more points? remove power. or, if you can't, add weight - centered at 60/40
EDIT: - you're using that huge Dodge arent you? weight reduction is the best tire-wear increaser you'll ever find
What car are you driving?
It's 4WD? 25-30% Front - 70-75% rear.
LSD Initial - 30
Acceleration - 30
Deceleration - 25
Brake Balance - 1 front - 5-10 rear.
suspension - about 2-3 points over the lowest spring rate
ride height 5mm below default
shocks 3 front 3 rear
8 front 8 rear
Camber - 1.4 1.0
Toe - 1 front - 2 rear
stabilizers 5 front - 4 rear
easy on the gas exiting corners now.
I don't remember how many laps it is, but you should be able to use S3's, and pit in the middle of the race instead of near the end.
Need more points? remove power. or, if you can't, add weight - centered at 60/40
EDIT: - you're using that huge Dodge arent you? weight reduction is the best tire-wear increaser you'll ever find
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Certainly am - forgot to mention that - does weight reduction maintain the 200pts? Also - I found a line-up whilst racing at El Capitan that I completely overkilled, to the tune of 50+secs, so I may try racing against those. It's 19laps btw - maybe I should try S3's.
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tried it-saw it. I got 200 with stage-3 weight, so unless the different lineups affect it, you should be okay
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what do a-spec points actually do?
Hey all, I thought maybe I'd just drop in and share a few I won today.
Both of these I'm about to mention are in Special Conditions hall, Hard difficulty.
First, was me, in the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Rally Car (default settings with an oil change) vs. the Lancia Delta S4 rally car at Tour de Tahiti. This took me two tries. The first time I got a penalty
, whilst the S4 wasn't even half a second behind, so as one would guess, the S4 passed me easily, so there was the nail in the coffin. On my next try, I still got a penalty except I now blocked the S4 while in bumper view. I managed to eventually stretch out a lead of app. 2 seconds.
Next, with the prize car from that race (the Mitsubishi Pajero rally raid car '85) I went to work at the Chamonix rally, that is, after I gave the Pajero an oil change. I didn't need to adjust ballast, or downforce, as with the above race. So anyway, both times (on normal and reverse direction of course) I went up against the '03 Lancer Evolution super rally car.This one was alot easier than the afore mentioned race, although it still wasn't "easy" in it's own right.
Well, that's all for now. Good luck, everyone.👍
Both of these I'm about to mention are in Special Conditions hall, Hard difficulty.
First, was me, in the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Rally Car (default settings with an oil change) vs. the Lancia Delta S4 rally car at Tour de Tahiti. This took me two tries. The first time I got a penalty
, whilst the S4 wasn't even half a second behind, so as one would guess, the S4 passed me easily, so there was the nail in the coffin. On my next try, I still got a penalty except I now blocked the S4 while in bumper view. I managed to eventually stretch out a lead of app. 2 seconds.Next, with the prize car from that race (the Mitsubishi Pajero rally raid car '85) I went to work at the Chamonix rally, that is, after I gave the Pajero an oil change. I didn't need to adjust ballast, or downforce, as with the above race. So anyway, both times (on normal and reverse direction of course) I went up against the '03 Lancer Evolution super rally car.This one was alot easier than the afore mentioned race, although it still wasn't "easy" in it's own right.
Well, that's all for now. Good luck, everyone.👍
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Its been a while since I ran this for 200 A-specs.RenesisEvo
I used the Ram with W1 + 200 Rear 50,
PortPolish EngBalance and NA1
TR clutch RC flywheel
SP exhaust
003 ASMTCS and N3 tyres.
And NOS
Sounds strange to have W1 + 200 but thats because I had applied W1 to win earlier races at a time when I was a really crappy driver and I didnt bother to buy a new Ram.
Motorland is hard compared to the other tracks. I cant remember the line up but it must have been 1 of the first 3 or so.
It certainly wasnt a clean race, every chance I got I'd bash my main competitor off the track and I did not pit because that would for sure see me lose the race.
thx for the vote of confidence but i still maintain I'm not very good at it. Numerous retries + NOS get me to the level of >85k.RenesisEvo
3-4 hours a day (each day) of playing/swearing and trying, sometimes with success but also a lot of failures. Win avg approx 43%.
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Hmm see I have my Ram running some 526bhp due to a supercharger, along with the EngBalance/Port Polish, and usual other upgrades. I suspect running the ballast at the rear also helps balance the Ram a bit, since all the weight is upfront.
And thanks Smallhorses - I shall have me a look through that.
I plan on having another go once I get through the c'ship - using a 490-bhp Lancer for 1pts just to get the prize car for now.
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Four hour Nurburgring - Or how my Honda S2000V '01 kicked butt and finished over two minutes ahead of the second place OPEL SPEEDSTER TURBO '00 on the first try for a sweet 200 points.
Heck of a race. When I started it didn't think I had a chance since the Opel pulled away so fast I thought I might cry (though I thought he might have had soft tires that would burn out, but, that wasn't the case). Fortunately I kept motoring on in second place and pulled away from the rest of the field which also contained:
Chevy Corvette Grand Sport C4 '96
Jaguar S-type R '02
Clio Renault Sport V6 Phase 2 '03
Holden Commodore SS '04
Around lap 4 or so I noticed that the Opel had spun out in the distance ahead of me (on the circuit map) and seemed motionless due to probably worn tires and I was able to pass him while he was in the grass. That was the only mistake the Opel made on it's own during the whole race. I figured that was the end of that incompetent Opel and I started to motor at a relaxed pace. I left him far behind with a 2:00 or so lead. I started laughing and yelling "Sunday drive for for an easy 200 points."
The Vette had taken over second place and he was doing nothing to catch me. I noticed the Opel had started to motor again and I thought that he'd probably keep heading for the grass or sand owing to worn tires No way he'll catch me. Not so. That damn Speedster seemed to be moving faster and faster and gaining on me about ten seconds a lap. I could match his speed in turns, but straights were the death of my S2000.
Around lap 12 or so the Opel passed the Vette and was still motoring hard. I was turning laps in the 8:02 range to no avail. I had pulled a 7:59 lap and it meant nothing. My stomach was churning a bit. I was pitting every four laps on orange tires and adding very little fuel. The race started getting interesting at around the 20 lap mark since the Opel was now trailing under 1:00 minute. I couldn't go any faster and I noticed I was at the three hour and fifteen minute mark in the race. I figured I could not possibly hold him off for forty-five minutes even with shortened pit stops.
Fortunately, the Opel ran into traffic or spun out while pitting or something and I was able to gain a little more time to ward off what I figured was my inevitable doom.
At one point earlier in the race the Opel had just caught me before he had to pit, but I ran him into the grass on the long back straight to get a little breathing space. The top speed of that Opel was wickedly fast. My S2000 topped out at 142 mph and the Opel must have been going close to 160 mph. I had no choice but to squeeze him to help prolong my agony of impending doom.
I was almost ready to pull the plug since I was surely doomed. I kept motoring on and on lap 28 the Opel passed me again. I had to use a nitro burst to pull past him on a wall-riding turn and started blocking him for a couple of minutes so he couldn't pass me. He slid off into the sand on his own somewhere in the twisty parts at the back of the course (where the track dips twice and darts right to avoid a wide sand trap). The Opel kept accelerating and decellerating while behind me and it must have baffled the AI and caused a lapse of good judgment.
That nasty Opel got stuck in the sand a bit and it slowed him down and he got stuck behind some traffic to give me a two minute lead until the end of the race at lap 30. It ain't over 'til the fat Opel cries "Uncle."
Yessss. I got my 200 points. I am a pedal-to-the-metal, hard-driving Gran Turismo road god. It was a fun race indeed. I recorded it for posterity and may show it to my kids someday.
The secondary star of the show was a used Honda S2000V with no oil change, semi-racing exhaust, sports chip, full chassis mods, full drivetrain mods, racing brakes on S1 tires front and rear and 20 lbs. ballast to make the crucial 200 point mark while cranking out a mighty 241 HP (at the Parts Change/Settings Screen).
The main star was me, me, me.
I hope you all enjoy the abridged race details.
Heck of a race. When I started it didn't think I had a chance since the Opel pulled away so fast I thought I might cry (though I thought he might have had soft tires that would burn out, but, that wasn't the case). Fortunately I kept motoring on in second place and pulled away from the rest of the field which also contained:
Chevy Corvette Grand Sport C4 '96
Jaguar S-type R '02
Clio Renault Sport V6 Phase 2 '03
Holden Commodore SS '04
Around lap 4 or so I noticed that the Opel had spun out in the distance ahead of me (on the circuit map) and seemed motionless due to probably worn tires and I was able to pass him while he was in the grass. That was the only mistake the Opel made on it's own during the whole race. I figured that was the end of that incompetent Opel and I started to motor at a relaxed pace. I left him far behind with a 2:00 or so lead. I started laughing and yelling "Sunday drive for for an easy 200 points."
The Vette had taken over second place and he was doing nothing to catch me. I noticed the Opel had started to motor again and I thought that he'd probably keep heading for the grass or sand owing to worn tires No way he'll catch me. Not so. That damn Speedster seemed to be moving faster and faster and gaining on me about ten seconds a lap. I could match his speed in turns, but straights were the death of my S2000.
Around lap 12 or so the Opel passed the Vette and was still motoring hard. I was turning laps in the 8:02 range to no avail. I had pulled a 7:59 lap and it meant nothing. My stomach was churning a bit. I was pitting every four laps on orange tires and adding very little fuel. The race started getting interesting at around the 20 lap mark since the Opel was now trailing under 1:00 minute. I couldn't go any faster and I noticed I was at the three hour and fifteen minute mark in the race. I figured I could not possibly hold him off for forty-five minutes even with shortened pit stops.
Fortunately, the Opel ran into traffic or spun out while pitting or something and I was able to gain a little more time to ward off what I figured was my inevitable doom.
At one point earlier in the race the Opel had just caught me before he had to pit, but I ran him into the grass on the long back straight to get a little breathing space. The top speed of that Opel was wickedly fast. My S2000 topped out at 142 mph and the Opel must have been going close to 160 mph. I had no choice but to squeeze him to help prolong my agony of impending doom.
I was almost ready to pull the plug since I was surely doomed. I kept motoring on and on lap 28 the Opel passed me again. I had to use a nitro burst to pull past him on a wall-riding turn and started blocking him for a couple of minutes so he couldn't pass me. He slid off into the sand on his own somewhere in the twisty parts at the back of the course (where the track dips twice and darts right to avoid a wide sand trap). The Opel kept accelerating and decellerating while behind me and it must have baffled the AI and caused a lapse of good judgment.
That nasty Opel got stuck in the sand a bit and it slowed him down and he got stuck behind some traffic to give me a two minute lead until the end of the race at lap 30. It ain't over 'til the fat Opel cries "Uncle."
Yessss. I got my 200 points. I am a pedal-to-the-metal, hard-driving Gran Turismo road god. It was a fun race indeed. I recorded it for posterity and may show it to my kids someday.
The secondary star of the show was a used Honda S2000V with no oil change, semi-racing exhaust, sports chip, full chassis mods, full drivetrain mods, racing brakes on S1 tires front and rear and 20 lbs. ballast to make the crucial 200 point mark while cranking out a mighty 241 HP (at the Parts Change/Settings Screen).
The main star was me, me, me.
I hope you all enjoy the abridged race details.
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ae86_drfter
Forces you to become a better driver. Tests the upper limits of various types of cars. Gives you more serious competition. Makes you think of how to beat the points system. Forces you to drive more types of cars while searching for that winning gem.
After you've won all the races and bought all the cars, what else can one do to prolong the pleasure of playing GT4? Go for max A-spec points.
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Debatable - I agree with the general sentiment and it is partially true but the hunt for a-spec points also forces you to become a worse driver (wall-riding, ramming and other underhanded tactics); means you have to use nitrous (pita); and, in my experience, results in using far fewer cars as there are a particular group of cars that are particularly good at earning a-spec points (e.g. 787B, R390, Lotus Elise Type 72, Dodge RAMSirBerra
, and a few others). My personal opinion is that racing stock cars (see club 200 tread in sig) is a far more rewarding objective although equally frustrating in searching for particular line-ups (major pita).But there is no doubt that winning a 200 point race is often a rewarding experience and has given me several exciting races.
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You are right about the worse driver aspect. I hadn't thought about the dirty tactics. Win at all costs is pretty foremost for 200 A-spec points in my case. Maybe I should have said it forces you to become a winning driver.
I don't think I've gotten to the point of racing a stock car to become a better driver. That requires too much hard work refining my driving techniques. I still require some shortcuts to WIN. Nitro comes in handy and it does run out if not used judiciously. It's not in endless supply.
Hey, even in the real racing world a few drivers nudge the competition into the boonies. Same with blocking. The AI drivers feel free to do it, so they deserve some comeuppance and I return the favor. However, I've never noticed any wall riding yet in the real world of racing. Yes, I HAVE to resort to that tactic on occasion, honestly.
Maybe nitro and walls should be removed from the game. I thought they were there to ENHANCE game play.
Anyway, I was just spewing out some random thoughts about gathering A-spec points, not really thinking about the downside to as which you pointed out, there ARE many.
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i did an interesting 200pt race today. BMW 2002 VS level 10 AI at Sears Point(i'm old school).
Hey, if anyone cares, I found some 200 pt. winners for the British GT Series...
I used the Jensen Interceptor (with oil change, S3s) for events 2 and 3: Fuji Speedway 90s and El Capitan. I had to switch over to a Jaguar XKR Coupe (w/ oil change, rigidity refresher, S3s) for the remaining races. Only had to bring out NOS for Mid-field reverse. Avoid having the V8 Vantage in the line-up as this will lower points.
I used the Jensen Interceptor (with oil change, S3s) for events 2 and 3: Fuji Speedway 90s and El Capitan. I had to switch over to a Jaguar XKR Coupe (w/ oil change, rigidity refresher, S3s) for the remaining races. Only had to bring out NOS for Mid-field reverse. Avoid having the V8 Vantage in the line-up as this will lower points.
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wOO HOOOO!!!
Finaly won a 200 point race!!!!
Although I was a little disappointed by it.
Someone has probably done this race with this car, But I'm not feeling the urge to go back through the previous 62 pages to find out.
I was bouncing around some tracks in my '92 NSX R and ended up in the endurance hall. I was watching some of the replays to try to find a race to take my close to stock car. (Oil change, refreshed, Twin clutch, semi-racing fly wheel and semi-racing exhaust, 2-way diff.)
I ended up an El Capitan in a race that I thought I was going to be seriously out classed in. Sports cars that stock had well over 300hp all lined up (Series-1, Six Speed, Callaway, Vantage, and a Benz. I forgot which one) and little ol' me in my under 300 hp NSX. I thought I would get crushed. But for S&G I thought I would give it a try.
I knew that the points were going to be high in this one. But I didn't think they would be a 200 pt. race.
Then those bold numbers appeared. And I thought, "Yep, this is going to suck."
Well we all launched and as I expected, everyone shot out way ahead of me. I managed to catch to catch the pack at the first turn, and passed the Callaway and Vantage. (The vantage almost spun me there, but I recovered.)
I noticed I was gaining on the Series-1 and Six Speed that were being held up by the Benz. We shot through the tunnel, up and over and speeding along to the hairpin turn. It was along that straight that I noticed that I was in 1st.
I though something went wrong, did the leaders take them selves out just past the tunnel. I check behind me and nope, they are all there. Its at that moment I realize that this little under powered car won't be able to beat the super cars on the straights, but I will be able to beat them out of the turns (which this track has a lot of) Sure enough most of the lead that I managed to create along the track was cut down at the main straight.
But I managed to stay ahead of the pack the entire race. At one point (around lap 59 of 66) the Series-1 was closing the gap seconds at a time to the point where he was riding my bumper comming up to the long straight. But as we cleared the final turn, he dropped off to pit and I took off trying to stretch the gap to give me some breathing room.
That was the last time I had to worry about someone on my tail. The final lap I took it easy and strolled across the finish line with about a 40 second gap between myself and the second place car.
I was really suprised at how well the NSX held its own among that group of cars. I knew that it could take thr turns with the best of them, but never imagined I would win a race in that line up.
And yes, I did run the entire race to get the 200 points. Bob sat in the pits (probably betting on the other cars.) I think this is the first endurance race where I have wanted to run the entire thing. Something about finaly hitting the 200 mark once.
Yeah for me!!!!
Finaly won a 200 point race!!!!
Although I was a little disappointed by it.
Someone has probably done this race with this car, But I'm not feeling the urge to go back through the previous 62 pages to find out.
I was bouncing around some tracks in my '92 NSX R and ended up in the endurance hall. I was watching some of the replays to try to find a race to take my close to stock car. (Oil change, refreshed, Twin clutch, semi-racing fly wheel and semi-racing exhaust, 2-way diff.)
I ended up an El Capitan in a race that I thought I was going to be seriously out classed in. Sports cars that stock had well over 300hp all lined up (Series-1, Six Speed, Callaway, Vantage, and a Benz. I forgot which one) and little ol' me in my under 300 hp NSX. I thought I would get crushed. But for S&G I thought I would give it a try.
I knew that the points were going to be high in this one. But I didn't think they would be a 200 pt. race.
Then those bold numbers appeared. And I thought, "Yep, this is going to suck."
Well we all launched and as I expected, everyone shot out way ahead of me. I managed to catch to catch the pack at the first turn, and passed the Callaway and Vantage. (The vantage almost spun me there, but I recovered.)
I noticed I was gaining on the Series-1 and Six Speed that were being held up by the Benz. We shot through the tunnel, up and over and speeding along to the hairpin turn. It was along that straight that I noticed that I was in 1st.
I though something went wrong, did the leaders take them selves out just past the tunnel. I check behind me and nope, they are all there. Its at that moment I realize that this little under powered car won't be able to beat the super cars on the straights, but I will be able to beat them out of the turns (which this track has a lot of) Sure enough most of the lead that I managed to create along the track was cut down at the main straight.
But I managed to stay ahead of the pack the entire race. At one point (around lap 59 of 66) the Series-1 was closing the gap seconds at a time to the point where he was riding my bumper comming up to the long straight. But as we cleared the final turn, he dropped off to pit and I took off trying to stretch the gap to give me some breathing room.
That was the last time I had to worry about someone on my tail. The final lap I took it easy and strolled across the finish line with about a 40 second gap between myself and the second place car.
I was really suprised at how well the NSX held its own among that group of cars. I knew that it could take thr turns with the best of them, but never imagined I would win a race in that line up.
And yes, I did run the entire race to get the 200 points. Bob sat in the pits (probably betting on the other cars.) I think this is the first endurance race where I have wanted to run the entire thing. Something about finaly hitting the 200 mark once.
Yeah for me!!!!
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