200pt A-spec races
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What I have been able to find out reading through most of the posts in this HUGE thread is the following.
Audi Audi A3 3.2 quattro N1 tyres 200 ballast+9000 miles 182pts
Chrysler Chrysler crossfire with N1 tyres+200 ballast with 9000 miles on clock 182pts
Citroen Citroen 2cv N1 tyres 200 ballast + 9000 miles 134 points
Hyundai 149pts Tiberon: New; [Only some races]
MG **
Renault Renault Megane 2.0 16V N1 tyres 200 ballast + 9000 miles 169 points
Subaru Subaru 360 race - 142 (10000 miles, ballast, N1, NOS)
Triumph Triumph Spitfire 1500 N1/N3 tyres 200 ballast 159 points
I have yet to find out if these statements are actually valid or not.
** The MG was always rated at 179 max until Fizio recently posted 180 was achievable.
The list above (unless Ive missed one) should cover all races where 200 is not achievable.
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They are valid...👍
1. MG festival:
MGF 97 -> 180 points
2. Triumph Spitfire cup:
Triumph Spitfire 1500 -> 159 points
3. Citroen 2hp classics:
Citroen 2cv -> 134 points
4. Renault Megane cup:
Renault Megane 2.0 16V -> 169 points
5. Audi A3 cup:
Audi A3 3.2 quattro -> 182pts
6. Copen race:
Copen Active Top -> 169 points
7. Midget race:
Midget II -> 152pts
8. Isuzu sports classics:
Isuzu 117 coupe -> 179pts
9. Subaru 360 race:
Subaru 360 race -> 142
10. Hyundai Sports Festival:
Hyundai Coupe -> 176pts
11. Crossfire trophy:
Chrysler crossfire -> 182pts
All above races -> N1/N3 tyres + 200 ballast + 9000 miles on clock + NOS
This is a list of all non 200pts races in manufacturer section...
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Thx Fizio.
Shoot, I did miss a few. I do have them listed in my xls file.
*offtopic*
"What" is a Tiberon, I have yet to find one in PAL version. I have checked used car lists in stickies but either its not listed or I need my eyes checked. Does it go under another name like the Vitz and the Yaris ?
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I remember reading somewhere when GT4 was released, and i've seen it around a lot, that the more A-Spec points you have, the more difficult the opposition becomes, and I've found this theory to be somewhat plausable.
I have a memory card with 100% game data (ARMAX'ed) - it is on day 94, with no A or B spec skill. When i entered the FGT Motegi race, about Race 11 i think, the AI were lapping average 1:34.500's - on my old 100% save, all of which done without cheating the AI were lapping in the 1:33.200's - with the lead car (second if you're first) lapping around 1:32.500's.
Although this isn't a massive difference, it is still a difference. I don't have a huge points wrap on my 100% real card, only about 15,000. I used B-Spec a lot. But if this theory is correct then i suppose that players with 100,000+ A-Spec points would have quicker AI?!
I remember reading somewhere when GT4 was released, and i've seen it around a lot, that the more A-Spec points you have, the more difficult the opposition becomes, and I've found this theory to be somewhat plausable.
I have a memory card with 100% game data (ARMAX'ed) - it is on day 94, with no A or B spec skill. When i entered the FGT Motegi race, about Race 11 i think, the AI were lapping average 1:34.500's - on my old 100% save, all of which done without cheating the AI were lapping in the 1:33.200's - with the lead car (second if you're first) lapping around 1:32.500's.
Although this isn't a massive difference, it is still a difference. I don't have a huge points wrap on my 100% real card, only about 15,000. I used B-Spec a lot. But if this theory is correct then i suppose that players with 100,000+ A-Spec points would have quicker AI?!
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That's an interesting theory which I didn't know about. I am now over 100000 a-spec points and am having trouble obtaining 200 points in the Motegi FGT race. The Al just seem to shoot off into the distance leaving me trailing in their wake.
Has anybody else noticed this theory?
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Please try something for me, get an FGT car and do it in B-Spec - just leave it on Normal Pace and report back what times the AI average and what their PB's are... this may prove my theory correct?!
Or, follow car around in A-Spec mode, because the AI 200 point Difficulty difference may only apply in A-Spec mode, and take note of their average lap time. Try not to hit them, just work out an estimate by your red sector sector times
Btw, what cars are you guys using in the FGT races for 200p... Le Mans Cars???
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This theory does not make any sense.... you figured it wrong in the first place... The more A-Spec points per race means you'll win harder... And the amount of points you will gain in race depends on the car (and settings) you enter with and the lineup... What do you think why are we running some races with 200 ballast hendikep and N1 tyres...
It has nothing to do with AI going slower or faster....
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About FGT Montegi.... Use F1 with 200 ballast and lower the downforce just a little over half to get 200 pts... I also reduced Rear wheels from -6 to -3...
I think I entered pits every 6 laps.... and almost forget cut the final corner before start-finish straight... Also cut straight when entering pits...
I used my black F1 for all races in FGT series except Le Sarth, Nurb, Superspeedway, NY and Tokyo... for those I Used Audi R8...
It has nothing to do with AI going slower or faster....
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About FGT Montegi.... Use F1 with 200 ballast and lower the downforce just a little over half to get 200 pts... I also reduced Rear wheels from -6 to -3...
I think I entered pits every 6 laps.... and almost forget cut the final corner before start-finish straight... Also cut straight when entering pits...
I used my black F1 for all races in FGT series except Le Sarth, Nurb, Superspeedway, NY and Tokyo... for those I Used Audi R8...
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The Hyundai Tiburon is a Hyundai Coupe in Europe, or what was previously known as the SCoupe. Tiburon is actually the Spanish word for Shark.
If you're looking for a Tiburon in the Daihatsu dealer, then you're in the wrong place, you need to go to Korea to find one under Hyundai.
As soon as Fizio mentioned that I realised I'd pasted that piece of info against the wrong car one make races and corrected my excel file. Ahve now also amended my earlier post.
Thx for the explanation. 👍
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I feel that you have read my post wrong, i understand that you go to these measures to ensure that you get the 200points, i am not saying that it's harder to get the 200points when you have more A-Spec points, im simply quoting that i read somewhere that the AI seem more difficult if you have 100,000 A-Spec - as opposed to 0 A-Spec when doing the same race, in the same car, with the same competitors.
I have done plausable tests on this theory myself and found it somewhat true - whether the AI hold the line at a quicker speed, brake later, defend better, or in some cases (eg. FGT) with races that have 100% equal cars, some how the lead AI car pulls out a demanding lead from those behind him.
I'm not saying that this is the case 100% of the time, but it has a more likely chance of happening the more points you have overall, not the points you reveice for that perticular race.
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I'm not trying to argue here but doesn't this theory implies exectly that?
However I have never noticed that theory... In FGT Series case, which I've done recently, the lead car have a clear track in front and does not need to fight with other cars and lose time... Lets say it can run uninterupted with pace 3 or 4 and other cars have to run in pace 4 or 5 with overtake to catch up causing them to make mistakes and loose time due to overtaking fight or higher pace...
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This is also quite probable, i've noticed it's difficult to drive behind another car through the corners because while in draft (slipstream) you lose downforce.
Either way it's not worth arguing about, i just thought that it could imply plausable reasoning to why some people are having difficulty with some races.
As long as you get the points in the end and enjoyed every minute of it 👍
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Maybe because they are hard...
... and you'll need some very sharp skils and flawles driving to do them...👍 👍 👍 👍
That is sadly (for me) VERY questionable in some races...👎 👎 👎
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I didn't find that Tokyo FGT race hard, it's the only one i've finished so far because atm im half way thru the FUJI 1000km, and i'm 35+ seconds up on the R92, it's due in the pits in 2 laps, and i've got another 9 laps before my stop. 👍
I used the FGT car at Tokyo, pitted every 8 laps i think, only pulling out a few seconds per stint because i had to pit 1 extra time compared to the other cars. I won it by 12 seconds. 👍 👍 👍
But i must get back to FUJI, it's lap 119 and i've spent most of the race in second due to some pathetic errors in the early laps forcing be to pit on a 24 lap strategy 👎
I used the FGT car at Tokyo, pitted every 8 laps i think, only pulling out a few seconds per stint because i had to pit 1 extra time compared to the other cars. I won it by 12 seconds. 👍 👍 👍
But i must get back to FUJI, it's lap 119 and i've spent most of the race in second due to some pathetic errors in the early laps forcing be to pit on a 24 lap strategy 👎
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I DONE IT, DAGNABIT! I finally won the Motegi SuperSpeedway for 200 points after four full tries and ten partials. I did win it at 153 points already, but that just didn't cut it. This was my final Endurance Race for 200 points.
Clean sweep for Endurance Races at 200 points excluding the Roadster Endurance which I won for over 100+ points (I don't think 200 points is possible but correct me if I'm wrong).
I used a carbon black Mazda 787B with 725 HP, 61-84 DF, 60 units ballast, 6-7-3 driving aids, 5.000-14 gear setting, R1 tires to start, 20 NOx, 209 (215 with draft) MPH top speed, extra rigidity and chassis refresh.
My opponents in starting order:
------------------------------Tire change laps (approx)
Pescalaro Courage C60 46 92
Nissan R89C 38 76
Nissan R92CP 39 78
Bentley Speed 8 44 88
Minolta Toyota 88C-V 38 76
I was suprised I could get 200 points without having the Peugot 905 in the lineup. I'm glad I didn't have to race it. The fastest car in the bunch towards the middle of the race was the Minolta Toyota. It was fast and got 38 laps on a set of tires.
Sheesh. Let's put it this way, I used the kitchen sink to win (wallsliding, blocking, squeezing AI cars against walls, drafting, rear bumping, riding against AI cars in turns, NOx, etc.) It wasn't pretty, but it was necessary. Anything to keep up, anything to stay ahead, anything to make the AI use up their tires or lose time. In most cases I could always hang in the draft of the lead cars. Although at one point I was about 12 seconds down (not counting pit stop time) due to a partial dumbass spinout.
Both Fizio and Ank said that those Nissans pit at 30 and 60 laps (I thought they were crazy, guessing or using a PAL version). I have NEVER been in ANY Speedway race against ANY number of lineups (even with the Peugot competing and pitting on lap 49 or 50) where the Nissans pitted anywhere's near 30 and 60 laps. If that was the case I could have won long time ago. As of yet I don't understand why there is such a discrepancy of tire wear. I think there must be something about the game engine randomness that causes this difference.
I needed to pit my Mazda at laps 36 and 74 and that was pushing it on one badly worn outer front tire. On each stop I only filled to about 8 or 9 units of fuel. On lap 74 I changed to R2 tires all around. I was 13 seconds behind the Minolta when I switched to R2s. I knew by past races that the R2s would last 25 clean laps and gain almost a second a lap on the AI cars. By lap 80 I was 7 seconds behind and yet smelling victory. Lap 86 saw me blow by the Minolta to go into first place. At the finish I was 3.5 seconds ahead of that chump Minolta with my tires turning yellow. Victory with a race time of 50 minutes and 50 seconds. Woohoo! My fastest lap was 28.652 on R2s with most laps run during the race at 29.2 to 30.5 seconds on R1s.
Some miscellaneous info:
On lap 66 I managed to pinch the R89C against a wall and he almost came to a complete stop. Bye, bye R89C. He wound up about 12 seconds in the dust. Wallriding is great for making up lost time and sometimes catching up to cars to get drafts, but in my case it wore tires out faster. I only rode the smaller radius wall. Especially on new tires to get them working faster. Sometimes I downshifted gears on the wall to keep my speed up. I wallrode at the start of the race to catch the lead cars early on. I used NOx to catch drafts when necessary. I still had about 3 units of NOx left at the end of the race. Unfortunately for me no lead AI cars spun out on their own, missed the pits or seemed to slow down towards the end of the race. I used wallriding to shoot myself into the pits as quickly as possible. The Mazda I used had a right front tire wear problem that I couldn't correct. If I could've I would have gotten a couple of more decent laps out of my tires.
One more strange thing. I've raced using a more powerful Mazda and couldn't hang with lead cars. Seems to me that the AI cars adjust to what you're running which adds more frustration. That's why you need a Mazda with 725 HP. More HP than that and you're screwed. At least that's what I think I've noticed.
This race at 200 points was challenging and sorry if I've gone on too much about the race. I'm happy to win and get it over with. I saved the replay and I'll watch it to see if I missed anything. Truthfully, I think I'm going to try it again soon hoping that the Peugot 905 is in the lineup.
Clean sweep for Endurance Races at 200 points excluding the Roadster Endurance which I won for over 100+ points (I don't think 200 points is possible but correct me if I'm wrong).
I used a carbon black Mazda 787B with 725 HP, 61-84 DF, 60 units ballast, 6-7-3 driving aids, 5.000-14 gear setting, R1 tires to start, 20 NOx, 209 (215 with draft) MPH top speed, extra rigidity and chassis refresh.
My opponents in starting order:
------------------------------Tire change laps (approx)
Pescalaro Courage C60 46 92
Nissan R89C 38 76
Nissan R92CP 39 78
Bentley Speed 8 44 88
Minolta Toyota 88C-V 38 76
I was suprised I could get 200 points without having the Peugot 905 in the lineup. I'm glad I didn't have to race it. The fastest car in the bunch towards the middle of the race was the Minolta Toyota. It was fast and got 38 laps on a set of tires.
Sheesh. Let's put it this way, I used the kitchen sink to win (wallsliding, blocking, squeezing AI cars against walls, drafting, rear bumping, riding against AI cars in turns, NOx, etc.) It wasn't pretty, but it was necessary. Anything to keep up, anything to stay ahead, anything to make the AI use up their tires or lose time. In most cases I could always hang in the draft of the lead cars. Although at one point I was about 12 seconds down (not counting pit stop time) due to a partial dumbass spinout.
Both Fizio and Ank said that those Nissans pit at 30 and 60 laps (I thought they were crazy, guessing or using a PAL version). I have NEVER been in ANY Speedway race against ANY number of lineups (even with the Peugot competing and pitting on lap 49 or 50) where the Nissans pitted anywhere's near 30 and 60 laps. If that was the case I could have won long time ago. As of yet I don't understand why there is such a discrepancy of tire wear. I think there must be something about the game engine randomness that causes this difference.
I needed to pit my Mazda at laps 36 and 74 and that was pushing it on one badly worn outer front tire. On each stop I only filled to about 8 or 9 units of fuel. On lap 74 I changed to R2 tires all around. I was 13 seconds behind the Minolta when I switched to R2s. I knew by past races that the R2s would last 25 clean laps and gain almost a second a lap on the AI cars. By lap 80 I was 7 seconds behind and yet smelling victory. Lap 86 saw me blow by the Minolta to go into first place. At the finish I was 3.5 seconds ahead of that chump Minolta with my tires turning yellow. Victory with a race time of 50 minutes and 50 seconds. Woohoo! My fastest lap was 28.652 on R2s with most laps run during the race at 29.2 to 30.5 seconds on R1s.
Some miscellaneous info:
On lap 66 I managed to pinch the R89C against a wall and he almost came to a complete stop. Bye, bye R89C. He wound up about 12 seconds in the dust. Wallriding is great for making up lost time and sometimes catching up to cars to get drafts, but in my case it wore tires out faster. I only rode the smaller radius wall. Especially on new tires to get them working faster. Sometimes I downshifted gears on the wall to keep my speed up. I wallrode at the start of the race to catch the lead cars early on. I used NOx to catch drafts when necessary. I still had about 3 units of NOx left at the end of the race. Unfortunately for me no lead AI cars spun out on their own, missed the pits or seemed to slow down towards the end of the race. I used wallriding to shoot myself into the pits as quickly as possible. The Mazda I used had a right front tire wear problem that I couldn't correct. If I could've I would have gotten a couple of more decent laps out of my tires.
One more strange thing. I've raced using a more powerful Mazda and couldn't hang with lead cars. Seems to me that the AI cars adjust to what you're running which adds more frustration. That's why you need a Mazda with 725 HP. More HP than that and you're screwed. At least that's what I think I've noticed.
This race at 200 points was challenging and sorry if I've gone on too much about the race. I'm happy to win and get it over with. I saved the replay and I'll watch it to see if I missed anything. Truthfully, I think I'm going to try it again soon hoping that the Peugot 905 is in the lineup.
Ballast means weight, cant remeber exact figures but i belive you can add an extra 200 kg of weight to your car, not only that you can also stipulate were abouts it is added ie:front or rear etc.
In the setup screen before you race same section as LCD and VCD dont know too much about it though as i tend not to use it
hope that helps:tup:
In the setup screen before you race same section as LCD and VCD dont know too much about it though as i tend not to use it
hope that helps:tup:
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