200pt A-spec races

[SirBerra]

Welldone Sirberra, 👍

The thread mentions MX5 used '89. N1 tyres + weight.

AMG.

That's insane. I tried a used, old oil, plain-jane MX-5 '89. Only chassis and drivetrain upgrades, N1/N2 tires and 200 units ballast. Tested 8 lineups and the most I saw was 190 points. I'll flip through more lineups, but I can't imagine winning unless I can run the whole race without a stop. Guess I'll have to settle for 150 sure points or pray there is a magic lineup.

Well, I'm working my way through FGT for 200 points. Won about eight so far with a mix of Mazda 787B, Chap 2J and Audi R8 vehicles. No races I did were extremely difficult or had course shortcuts. Suzuki and Motegi have shortcuts so I can take some advantage on those courses. We'll see.

I'm sitting at around 71,000 points with 98% of manufacturer races to do. I should make the 100,000 mark with average effort.

 

[ANK]

Groan. Thanks for bringing me down. Could you tell me which MX-5 vehicle to use or direct me to a link? I think I have about a dozen MX-5s. I know some of the lineups vary, but I've only seen as high as 100 or so points without ballast.

Used Mazda MX5 J limited (NA,J) 91 N1/N3 tyres 167 ballast gear ratio 1 final gear set to 5.
Pit after the first lap change to N3/N3 tyres use NOS to catch leaders then it should just be you against the Mazda 1800RS. Just keep blocking him and no matter how bad your tyres get do not pit until he does.

I am fairly sure this was against the first line up.

 

[Metar]

Well, I just did my first 200-points race today.

Like the Wind, with a PlayStation Pescarolo C60/Judd '04, with new oil - but 8000 miles on (It bravely did the entire endurance hall except for Sarthe I and Nurb' 24). Field: Mercedes C9 Sauber, Toyota Minolta, Nissan R92CP, Mazda 787B, and a Gillet Vertigo. Probably the strongest lineup possible (except for the Gillet), but still a breeze. Stock power (except for degradation) - around 780HP, Auto 25, 6th gear full open, RSH all around, no nitrous, minimum Downforce.
Bad launch (first ever without TCS), reached T1 with a 15 seconds lag. Overtook the Gillet much too soon, and hanging on the 787Bs tail. Overtook it, and shot past the R92CP at that opportunity. Minolta and C9 battled it out between them, so I simply drafted them a while (although with the speed of that car, I could've just as well overtaken them without drafting). Let off the accellerator for a while, to get some better use of the draft, but suddenly the C9 pulled of. Overtook the Minolta, chased down the C9, untill it suddenly pitted. Maniac! I wanted a challenging race, not a "be the only one who doesn't pit" race. Won by a margin of ~40 seconds, since I toured at around 237MPH on straights, 234MPH on curves. Crossed the line while handbraking for fun.

EDIT: Also did it again and pitted for the challenge, and had a fun fight against the R8, untill he too pitted at the 4th lap...

 

[SirBerra]

Used Mazda MX5 J limited (NA,J) 91 N1/N3 tyres 167 ballast gear ratio 1 final gear set to 5.
Pit after the first lap change to N3/N3 tyres use NOS to catch leaders then it should just be you against the Mazda 1800RS. Just keep blocking him and no matter how bad your tyres get do not pit until he does.

I am fairly sure this was against the first line up.

Thanks. I'll give it a try with that lineup. I can't say I'm a great car blocker, but I'm a good car rammer if he should happen to slip by.

 

[AMG.]

Used Mazda MX5 J limited (NA,J) 91 N1/N3 tyres 167 ballast gear ratio 1 final gear set to 5.
Pit after the first lap change to N3/N3 tyres use NOS to catch leaders then it should just be you against the Mazda 1800RS. Just keep blocking him and no matter how bad your tyres get do not pit until he does.

I am fairly sure this was against the first line up.

Well that sure beats the scanty info I've been able to find so far. 👍

I tried the '89 but just couldnt make it at all so I left this race for later. I also got utterly bored after 20 laps on this course. It doesnt inspire me at all. And I want a decent set of points (>100) if I'm to run long races. I'm not going to spend hours and hours running a >2 hour race for just 10 points or so.
Thx again ANK for sharing this info!

AMG.

 

[Moloch_horridus]

Thanks. I'll give it a try with that lineup. I can't say I'm a great car blocker, but I'm a good car rammer if he should happen to slip by.

That is the problem with this race, if he does slip by you will never get close enough to ram him. One mistake and you are cactus. I only managed 153 for this race which was fairly comfortable - I think I went for a lineup without the 1800 RS (and maybe not the 1.8 RS) for a fairly easy win. I think with the 200 point lineup you would have to block almost every lap which I find very difficult at Tsukuba - they always seem to get past me on the back straight.

 

[bjb]

All five Speedster Cup races are 200 a-spec points a piece in a stock Speedster NA or Turbo. By stock I mean oil change and nothing else.

And if someone says they won one of these races, I'll need to see a video and some kind of proof their car was stock. I couldn't even catch up to the fifth place car with a stock Speedster Turbo! IMHO, these five races, especially Infineon and Seattle, are some of the most challenging in the game.

Also, thanks for starting this thread. I like racing, not blowing by the AI cars before the first turn and winning by a mile, not, as Old Geezer so aptly puts it, bringing a gun to a knife fight. So, I'm beginning to pay attention to a-spec points as a means for keeping the race competitive, and, if folks respond and post, this thread may help me to do this more efficiently.

You can get 200 A-spec points with a fully upgraded speedster with RM tyres with the aids turned off.

 

[bjb]

anyone have settings for the GSX/R for 200pts concept race?

I've got settings for it. Just not for 200pts.

 

[ANK]

I've got settings for it. Just not for 200pts.

Yes sadly you can't get 200 points using the GSX/R.
This was one of worst sets of races for me, i managed to win one of the races using the other Suzuki (can't remember the name) on N1 tyres, then i decided to clock some mile up on the GSX/R and do the races with that. 9000 miles later best i could get was 190 something points, back to the drawing board.
In the end i clocked up miles on the other Suzuki so i could get N2 tyres on it and what a difference it made, the races are quite easy then.

 

[Metar]

That S2 Concept, right? Looks like the new Suzuki Swift... I found it pretty tough to win with the S2 against the GSX/R... They always flew away...

 

[RenesisEvo]

That S2 Concept, right? Looks like the new Suzuki Swift...

Methinks the Swift was based heavily on the S2 Concept.

 

[Metar]

It's a great FF. Barely noticeable understeer (The in-game S2), Definitely a good car for some 200 pointers...

 

[SirBerra]

That is the problem with this race, if he does slip by you will never get close enough to ram him. One mistake and you are cactus. I only managed 153 for this race which was fairly comfortable - I think I went for a lineup without the 1800 RS (and maybe not the 1.8 RS) for a fairly easy win. I think with the 200 point lineup you would have to block almost every lap which I find very difficult at Tsukuba - they always seem to get past me on the back straight.

I haven't yet had a chance to test this combo yet. I could settle for less points but then I won't have 200 points for all Endurance Races. Clean sweep sounds nicer than almost a clean sweep. Just joking. I'll could SETTLE for less than 200 points, but as you said, if you're going to spend four hours racing you might as well get some worthwhile points. Of course if you lose, you get zilch. I do have a dilemma. I race with the rearview mirror and can block cars, but sometimes they just shove me out of the way like I was an ugly woman after a one-night stand.

 

[Moloch_horridus]

I could settle for less points but then I won't have 200 points for all Endurance Races.

Perhaps that is why I am not to bothered about the Roadster Enduro - the Enduros are my worst a-spec category, I still have 939 points that I could get there so I am very impressed with your effort 👍. If I could get most of those and all the FGT races I could get 111,000 and that would make my day. However I think GT5 will be out before I manage that.

 

[CJ350]

I just A-Spec'd my first enduro, the El Capitan with my GSX/R4. 200 pts and approx. 1 lap and 5 secs or so on the 2nd place Lotus Elise!

 

[Metar]

Stock GSX/R? I always wanted to try that enduro in A-spec, and the GSX always looked promising... What upgrades or settings did you run?

 

[AMG.]

Stock GSX/R? I always wanted to try that enduro in A-spec, and the GSX always looked promising... What upgrades or settings did you run?

Being an crappy - average driver I used a chip, PortPolish, Eng Balancing a Wing and S2 tyres and Race Exhaust. Driving aids set to 000.
I like the El Cap track. Won by 1 minute 44secs for 200.

The GSX is a little gem in GT4, it's capable of winning lots of races for 200 against much bigger competition.

AMG.

 

[Moloch_horridus]

The GSX is a little gem in GT4, it's capable of winning lots of races for 200 against much bigger competition.

Generally lightweight cars are better for a-spec points as power receives more of a penalty than weight, i.e. of two cars with the same pwr the more powerful will receive less a-spec points than the lighter car. Given that a lightweight car will generally handle better and go easier on tyres then I think PD should have made it the other way around (weight penalised more than power).

It could also be that it just seems like power is penalised more due to the intrinsic benefits of low weight.

By far and away my best a-spec earner was the Elise Type-72. As soon as I have time I will be usinging it in the Motegai 8 hour to get my 200 points there. Should be a good close race.

 

[ll944ll]

has anyone beaten the peugeot 206 cup? if so, which kind of 206 did you use? i haven't tried it with the 206 rally car though, so that might be the answer...

 

[Moloch_horridus]

has anyone beaten the peugeot 206 cup? if so, which kind of 206 did you use? i haven't tried it with the 206 rally car though, so that might be the answer...

I am fairly sure you can use any 206 but you will need to add all the power you can, upgrade the suspension and drive train and get some very good racing tyres (soft or super soft). It is a bit like the speedster cup - your ops are running maxed out cars and you need to too.

 

[CJ350]

I used a chip, PortPolish, Eng Balancing a Wing and S2 tyres and Race Exhaust. Driving aids set to 000.

I'd say thats about the same as I ran. I think I opted for the FC trans. too. There is tremendous room for upgrades on the El enduro with the GSX/R4. But traction and control are where you need to concentrate. And then just bump the power up a bit. I think I ran the wing, but only at about a 3rd of maximum downforce. Just a little to keep it managable.

 

[nige]

They are valid...👍

1. MG festival:
MGF 97 -> 180 points

2. Triumph Spitfire cup:
Triumph Spitfire 1500 -> 159 points

3. Citroen 2hp classics:
Citroen 2cv -> 134 points

4. Renault Megane cup:
Renault Megane 2.0 16V -> 169 points

5. Audi A3 cup:
Audi A3 3.2 quattro -> 182pts

6. Copen race:
Copen Active Top -> 169 points

7. Midget race:
Midget II -> 152pts

8. Isuzu sports classics:
Isuzu 117 coupe -> 179pts

9. Subaru 360 race:
Subaru 360 race -> 142

10. Hyundai Sports Festival:
Hyundai Coupe -> 176pts

11. Crossfire trophy:
Chrysler crossfire -> 182pts


All above races -> N1/N3 tyres + 200 ballast + 9000 miles on clock + NOS

This is a list of all non 200pts races in manufacturer section...

Have just put over 9000 miles on the 2CV for the 2CV classic races. Still only get 124 points and this is with N1/N3 + 200 ballast. Is 134 possible?
nige

 

[Daneel]

I searched through this thread (yes, with search), but didn't find anyone doing special conditions - tsukuba wet (hard).

You can get 200 points for this race in a fully kitted out skyline GT-R (I used the R-34 V-Spec II Nür edition). Yes you can win - I can put up a photo if you want proof.

The challenge to yourself is to do it without aids and without a race edition car. If I can do it, so can you

 

[jbrennen]

I searched through this thread (yes, with search), but didn't find anyone doing special conditions - tsukuba wet (hard).

You can get 200 points for this race in a fully kitted out skyline GT-R (I used the R-34 V-Spec II Nür edition). Yes you can win - I can put up a photo if you want proof.

The challenge to yourself is to do it without aids and without a race edition car. If I can do it, so can you

Do it in a non-AWD road car. I used a "fully kitted out" RUF 3400S, and honestly it wasn't even close, I won (for 200 points) by something like 8 seconds.

 

[RenesisEvo]

I searched through this thread (yes, with search), but didn't find anyone doing special conditions - tsukuba wet (hard).

You can get 200 points for this race in a fully kitted out skyline GT-R (I used the R-34 V-Spec II Nür edition). Yes you can win - I can put up a photo if you want proof.

The challenge to yourself is to do it without aids and without a race edition car. If I can do it, so can you

What car did you race against??

 

[AMG.]

I searched through this thread (yes, with search), but didn't find anyone doing special conditions - tsukuba wet (hard).

That's most likely due to the fact that none of the 3 Wet races are really difficult (actually they're easy) and therefore hardly get mentioned in this thread.
Grand Canyon hard (reverse) for 200 is a different matter.....

AMG.

 

[SirBerra]

Ha! I finally finished all 15 FGT races for 200 points apiece using the Mazda 787B and Audi R8 Race Car (both with dirty oil). A tidy 3,000 points for a week's work. Stupidly, I forgot to clear the prizes for the series and didn't get my second lump sum of credits and second Sauber Merc. Racing was definitely more challenging than the first time around using an F1 car for a crappy 60 points a race.

Most of the races weren't very difficult to win by a wide margin. Though I must confess that on two races (On Twin Motegi Road Course and Suzuka I did resort to cheating to make winning easier). I set the Audi R8 to ride a little higher for my continuous off-road shortcuts over grass and sand on those courses. Would you believe that you can cut across two infields on Motegi Road Course on the back of the course and gain a second? So, I'm pathetic. I didn't need to do it, but it was fun. I won by nearly a lap.

I tried to use either car for all races but in most cases only one car was suitable for the job on a particular course. I even tested with different gear ratios. On short courses with sharp turns, the Mazda was the best (Seoul, New York, Cote D'Azur, Laguna Seca, etc.). On long courses with longer straights, the Audi was the best (Infineon, Sarthe, High Speed, Motegi Speedway, etc.). I could have used the Chap 2J on Cote d'Azur. I tested it for 20 laps and could easily have won. Anyway. In every test race the Audi got better tire mileage than the Mazda. Both got better tire mileage than the Formula cars. In some cases much better tire mileage by a few laps. I tested a few other LMP cars on different courses to see if there was any other contenders for 200 points. The 2J was about the closest, but with that stinky three-speed tranny, it just couldn't cut the mustard.

Some observations:
The AI racers on Laguna Seca were the stupidest by constantly going off-course two turns after the corkscrew. I usually knew I won any race after the first pit stop. I could consistently get quicker pit stops than my AI competitors. My supposedly heavier racers couldn't strongarm those F1 cars, but they could out-muscle me and send me flying. Any number of times I could out-accelerate those F1 cars even though they had less weight and more HP. I hated racing on that Fuji course. That blacktop is hard on my eyes and the majority of turns seem blind to me. It seems most of the corner markers on Fuji are stands or scenery. I squinted the whole time and used The Force for an easy win with the Mazda. Sometimes a reset lineup will give you a more even competition with no jackrabbit car. Sometimes the car on the pole isn't always the fastest car. For some reason I thought it would be the fastest in most cases. Sometimes the fastest car runs off course.

Summary:
I did a couple of FGT races back to back in one day and regretted it. My eyes were bleary and tired as heck. On Suzuka I kept screwing up on the back of the course while in the lead and restarted the race about five or six times before completing the race. The most fun race for me was New York. The closest race was Suzuka.

I'm glad all the FGT races are done with. No more hour-plus races to do. I've got about 76,000 A-spec points so far with nearly all One Make races to complete. Here I come, 100,000 points. Maybe another month of leisure racing will do it.

 

[CJ350]

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[AMG.]

Well done SirBerra,
Good informative post. +rep.

I needed that as a kickstart, so will attempt in a week's time when my holiday starts.

Motegi Road Course 2 shortcuts? the one I know is just as you return to the main straight there's a 1 lane road leading towards the pit/straight and bypasses the S bend. Where's the other one ?

AMG.

 

[nige]

Well done SirBerra,
Good informative post. +rep.

I needed that as a kickstart, so will attempt in a week's time when my holiday starts.

Motegi Road Course 2 shortcuts? the one I know is just as you return to the main straight there's a 1 lane road leading towards the pit/straight and bypasses the S bend. Where's the other one ?

AMG.

I think he is talking about the curved section after the bridge? and just before the sharp left hander about half way round the track. I've used it many times and it does save you a few seconds.
nige