200pt A-spec races

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I was gonna try the Karmann, but the Beetle was so cool-looking.

The karmann should be a bit more aerodynamic, might help a little with the top speed, NOS conservancy ( <-- is that a word?) issues?

+rep Sir!
 
Achtung: Black Beetle blitzkrieg at 1000 Miles Opera for an easy 200 A-spec points. The fat lady sang for the Mercedes 300 Coupe at the end of 95 laps.:ouch:

I'll make this report as brief as possible. I ran the Beetle today at the Opera for a time of 2 hours, 54 minutes. It was capable of turning laps in the 1:48 to 1:49 range. It only required three pit stops for tires, no fuel necessary since it barely used a half a tank at the finish. Pit stops on laps 23, 50, 74. I used Road rear tires which wore at a slightly faster rate than the Comfort front tires. The Bug could go four laps further than the Merc on a set of tires (turned orange). It even went longer than the Fiat which really surprised me.

The Bug put out 65 HP with 50 ballast, I believe. I did use NOx although it wasn't necessary at all. I only used it to put a FULL LAP on the Mercedes on lap 94.

This was the lineup the Beetle was up against on the 3rd reset:

Mercedes 300 Coupe, Ginetta G4, Mazda 110S (L10B), Nissan Silvia (CSP311), Fiat 500F (it didn't drag my points down as much as I thought it would)

I can only describe the race as unfair. Unfair to the AI competition. Obviously the fastest car of the bunch was the Mercedes. It didn't stand a chance against the Black Bug. The rest of the cars can only be described as road apples. Their only function was to succeed in holding up the Mercedes 300 from getting even close to me. The Beetle went around corners under full chug. It seemed as though it was built for Opera. I softened the suspension a bit using less damper and roll bars and raised the height a bit to glide over those corner humps. Worked like a charm. On a good lap it ran tenths of a second faster than the Mercedes. In the end, the Mercedes needed an extra pit stop and kept getting caught in traffic. I used NOx when the Merc was in the pits to widen the time differential. Just to make the Mercedes look really pathetic.:grumpy:

Conclusion:
It was such an easy race it was hardly worth the effort. I knew I won at the very start. I actually started the race just as a test to see what the Bug could do. But as I ran about five laps or so and the Mercedes couldn't pull away (I started laughing:lol: ), I said what the heck, let's finish this puppy and get it done. If I get a similar lineup at Cote D'Azur I honestly think the Beetle will deliver some serious whuppass.

I'm off to experiment at Sarthe now with some secret vehicles:D . Let us pray.:rolleyes:
 
1000 Miles - Le Sarth II - 200pts

Against first lineup...👍

I used Nissan Skyline Sport Coupe (BLRA-3) '62 with:
Sport exhaust, Stiffness, N1/N2 tyres, NOS(70), Brakes All, Tranny All (Auto 5), Suspension racing (Spring rate 10,0/10,0, Ride hight 125/125, Bounce 8/8, Rebound 9/9, Chamber 1,5/2,5, Toe 0/0, Stabiliser 4/4) , 2-way LSD, 90 Ballast --> 96 HP

Tactics is again the same as in all races in the series. Use NOS to get ahead and then block... First 3 or 4 laps you have to block both Alfa and Macros, after few laps there is only Alfa left due to Mini's crapy driving and sand excursions... Thanks SuperCobraJet for pointing out on this Nissan... It's so much better for Le Sarth than Honda S600... It made this race easy unlike all earlier attempts I tried with various cars and lineups... In all the race I used bearly a 1/4 of NOS just to get ahead of Alfa and Mini. The car is great. It's cornering speed and breaks are outstanding even on N1/N2. Even better than Alfa's. I could match or even outmatch Alfa's cornering with no sweat which was not the case with Honda S600...Nisssan is preatty gentle both on tyres and fuel consumption. I entered pit on lap 21 even the tyres were still green. I think this car could maybe do entire race without even entering the pit but I didn't want to gamble on > 3 hours race. Ofcourse lap 21 is when Alfa enters the pit... Almost forgot. Cut streight through last few corners between pit entrance and start/finish line. While cutting try to find line ovet grass and avoid sand. It'll gain you 6,5 sec.

Lap times were around 5:35 - 5:38...
Race time: 3:18'22.751
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Finally finished with 1000 Miles series...👍
Only 2000 pts left... Thats 10 of the longest endurances, all 4 or more hours...:scared: :scared: :scared:

I'm pretty much 100% sure there is no way for getting 200 pts in this series without blocking... This combinations for Opera , Cote and Le Sarts with 1st lineup are relatively easy and obviously there is no need for numerous line up changes... You "just" need consistent smooth driving for 3-4 hours per race and have to know Alfa's pitting schedual... Good thing about this car-setup-opposition-track combo is that you have to worry only about 1 main opponent. Should I mention that it's Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA 1600 '65... :) Poor thing must be frustrated by looking in my ass for 14 hours throughout the series...:) :) :)

It works for me, glad it worked for you.
Having done only about 150- 200 point races so far, I find that if there is a multiple car choice, there is a optimum car and lineup. Finding it of course is the :crazy: :) 👍
 
The karmann should be a bit more aerodynamic, might help a little with the top speed, NOS conservancy ( <-- is that a word?) issues?

+rep Sir!

NOx conservancy (I doubt if conservancy is an actual word. I made it up). I meant to say "conserve NOx in order to use it when really needed". I get carried away at times, so pay it no mind. And about that Karmann, it seems to be the pits. Doesn't seem useful at all against the lineups I've pulled at Sarthe and Nurb. Why? I haven't the foggiest. Poor power/weight ratio? Maybe just poor lineup luck. I have some crazy theory that certain cars pull better lineups at certain tracks. 💡 I'm probably just crazy. :crazy:
 
NOx conservancy (I doubt if conservancy is an actual word. I made it up).

Umm... scroll up, I made it up. I was questioning if it was a real word from my post, but whatever. Isn't the Kharmann similar weight/power ratio? Should be tunable to same effect as the Veedub. I'll have to look into it myself some a bit later. I do still need to run the 1000 miler A-spec.
 
Hot update:
There are good days and there are great days. This day was better than great. I'll set scenario.

The Series: Professional World Classic Car Series, Five races won at 200 A-spec points
The Car: Carbon Black??? Volkswagen Beetle 1100 (probably just faded black paint)
The Specs: Various settings of HP, Standard tires, NOx, ballast

I hope this info is useful.

Sure did find this useful - I had made many attempts at the WCCS without much success. But finally I have them all for 200 points - Happy Days!

I entered the championship vs 2000GT, Elan S1, Ginetta and the two Skylines using the Bug with Racing exhast, port polish and balance, NA2, NOS(80), N2/N3 and all the susp/dt upgrades. No ballast was necessary. Fairly easy wins everywhere. This is definitely the way to win this series.

My hat is off to you SirBerra, you are a champion. Good luck with the rest of your points - now I can start to seriously contemplate 111000.
 
Sure did find this useful - I had made many attempts at the WCCS without much success. But finally I have them all for 200 points - Happy Days!

I entered the championship vs 2000GT, Elan S1, Ginetta and the two Skylines using the Bug with Racing exhast, port polish and balance, NA2, NOS(80), N2/N3 and all the susp/dt upgrades. No ballast was necessary. Fairly easy wins everywhere. This is definitely the way to win this series.

My hat is off to you SirBerra, you are a champion. Good luck with the rest of your points - now I can start to seriously contemplate 111000.

Now you're just making me blush. I only vaguely picked the car, you did the driving. But I am glad that it did help you win a seemingly unwinnable race series. I've been helped in similar fashion by the real GT4 masters who already have 111000 points. It's funny how some obvious things get overlooked. I like to try other ways of winning using some car that maybe has some unexplored potential.
 
Attention: German Beetle invades Monaco (Cote D'Azur) for 200 A-spec points at the 1000 Mile Series and driver is crowned the new King of the highly touted Principality. One enthusiastic female sunbather tosses bikini top to winning driver.

The Race: Cote D'Azur European 1000 Miles for 200 A-spec points
The Car: Carbon Black Volkswagen Beetle 1100
The Lineup: Lotus Elan S1, Nissan Fairlady 200 (SR311), Ginetta G4, Mercedes 300 SL Coupe, Nissan Silvia (CSP311)

So I started my 75 HP w/ballast Bug at the back of the pack. I was given so much HP thanks to the Ginetta and Mercedes tilting lady luck in my favor. I didn't figure I'd have much of a problem winning due to the downright sloppy handling of the Ginetta and the harsh tire wearing ability of the Mercedes. In a way I was right. However I was greatly surprised by the speed and tire wear of the Lotus Elan which after 30 laps or so became a dogged competitor.

In fact I was rather lucky at this race due to all the AI cars bunching up and some vehicle must have been slowing down the whole pack. I was able to pull away to about a 30 second lead and then the pack broke up and the Lotus starting moving up very quickly. I thought that the race was gonna be a Sunday drive, but realized my victory dance was premature.

I pitted at lap 34 with my rear (Road) tires turning orange. I pulled out just a second before the Lotus caught me. He never got ahead of me and I started laughing because I figured he would have to pit for a tire change soon. Lap 44, no tire change, lap 54, no tire change, lap 64, no tire change. The Lotus from hell was on my tail. I was starting to sweat, but managed to put about 10 seconds between us. The Lotus finally pitted on lap 67 to my relief. His pit stop gave me a nice fat cushion of breathing room. The Mercedes took over the second spot 42 seconds behind. Like I really cared. After my second tire change at lap 68 or so and after those backmarkers got caught in traffic I still had about a 40 second lead. Eventually the Lotus took second spot again. Sure I knew that the Lotus didn't need to make any more pit stops but my fast laps were equal to his and I just dropped my pace a tiny bit and let him close the gap now and then. To get to the end of the race I just drove a steady pace and finished with a 38 second lead over the second place Lotus. I would say that was a decent bragging margin.

Conclusion:
The Mercedes needed about 4 pits stop for tire changes. The Nissan Silvia was so slow it was being lapped constantly. The Lotus Elan really was the fastest car of the bunch, but slightly slower than my fastest laps with the Beetle. With short NOx bursts on uphills or downhills I could easily turn a second a lap faster. Still I might not have won the race or it would have been very close if I didn't get that fluke huge lead at the very beginning.

Anyway the Beetle triumphed (in 3 hrs and 35 min turning laps between 2:09 and 2:11) and that's how I became the new Ruler of Monaco. I still have the bikini top to prove it and the enthuiastic fan doesn't bother to wear a top anymore in honor of my victory.

Two races for 200 A-spec points of the 1000 Miles behind me and now on to tackle the more difficult Sarthe and Nurb races. So far things don't look very promising. Forget the Beetle in those races. My bets are also on the Nissan Sports Coupe (BLRA). A dream to drive on N1s with great blocking ability. I'm hoping for lady luck to shine again.

I hope some of the info helps.
 
The Lotus Elan really was the fastest car of the bunch.....Anyway the Beetle turning laps between 2:09 and 2:11

Told you so, :sly: The 300SL is tough but the Elan is tougher.
I need to shave 5-6 seconds of my laptime to get to yours. AAARRGHHHH!!

AMG.
 
I tried Nurb yesterday and the Elan decimated the poor little black bug. Top end is horrible on the bug and unfortunately I couldn't get a large enough lead heading into the large straight towards the end of the lap.
 
I tried the kharmann today for the first time, what a horrible rev range. You get an extra gear but it just will not wind up.
 
I tried Nurb yesterday and the Elan decimated the poor little black bug. Top end is horrible on the bug and unfortunately I couldn't get a large enough lead heading into the large straight towards the end of the lap.

It doesn't matter what car you use. Due to the HP handicap of 200 points, you'll almost always be overtaken by the end of the straight by an opponent car. That's seems to be the reason why blocking is necessary to win Nurb. Talk about being on the butt end of an 8-ball.

Setting up handling to go around curves is one thing, but nothing beats cubic HP in a straight line since no allowed historic car has the profile of a fighter jet (although the Lotus Elan is pretty close and so is the unraceable Auto Union V16 Streamline).
 
:) Yes, :) finally reached my first goal!



Ok, it's somewhat off topic, my apologies. Took mission 15 and 26 to get from 99454 to 99954 and then a short race. Beetle on twin Ring Motegi to get the remaining 46 points to round if off to a very nice number.

Hmmm, good start of my holidays :sly:

Now where's that 100.000 club again ?

* goes off to search *
AMG.
 
:) Yes, :) finally reached my first goal!



Ok, it's somewhat off topic, my apologies. Took mission 15 and 26 to get from 99454 to 99954 and then a short race. Beetle on twin Ring Motegi to get the remaining 46 points to round if off to a very nice number.

Hmmm, good start of my holidays :sly:

Now where's that 100.000 club again ?

* goes off to search *
AMG.

AMG - Congratulations to you. Very well done. Hope it wasn't too painful!
nige
 
The thread I placed it in is titled A-Spec Point Data; Values, Races, and Modifications. This work is a year old now, and I still haven't completed the work. Still, a helpful tool for those having trouble in selecting the right car.

Ive seen that post a number of times and it sure must have been a lot of work. Problem I have is how to make sense of it all.
I'm currently running Nurb 4 hours in Bspec to see if the car I chose will actually net me 200 points. I'm not a very good driver.
The lineup Im using is
A Skyline GTR Vspec II '00
B BMW M3 '04
C Clio Sport V6 Phase 2 '03
D BMW M Coupe
E AR 147 GTA
F Suzuki GSXR 39 ballast no further power upgrades started on N1 to get 200. Then reset and started on N3 (156 points) Bspec.
The race has progressed 2 hours now and Bob is well ahead of the game (2 minutes). Conclusion if I start this race in A spec on N1 and switch to N3 at the end of lap 1 I have a very good chance of winning the race and net 200 points. I know I can get times very similar to Bob, he's running approx 8min 9-17secs per lap (depending on tyre wear).

Given the above example how would you calculate its chances given your big list of data...
I'd appreciate it very much 👍 if you could work that out in a post so I can use your huge data to my advantage.

AMG.
 
Wheeze, cough. :mischievous: If even an old bloke like me can do it, .....
*off topic *
Raises the question.. at what age are you that you consider yourself old? :sly:
Careful with your answer, it may make me antique. :ouch:

Ran Nurb 4 hours with the GSX R4 on N1 switched to N3 + a little bit of ballast, no power upgrades, against Pal lineup 1. Couldn't hack it so after 2 hours gave up. :grumpy: Trailing by 2 minutes.
Retried today against lineup 3 (No NSX). Despite some crashes won and bagged another 'easy' 200. :)

AMG.
 
Ive seen that post a number of times and it sure must have been a lot of work. Problem I have is how to make sense of it all.
I'm currently running Nurb 4 hours in Bspec to see if the car I chose will actually net me 200 points. I'm not a very good driver.
The lineup Im using is
A Skyline GTR Vspec II '00
B BMW M3 '04
C Clio Sport V6 Phase 2 '03
D BMW M Coupe
E AR 147 GTA
F Suzuki GSXR 39 ballast no further power upgrades started on N1 to get 200. Then reset and started on N3 (156 points) Bspec.
The race has progressed 2 hours now and Bob is well ahead of the game (2 minutes). Conclusion if I start this race in A spec on N1 and switch to N3 at the end of lap 1 I have a very good chance of winning the race and net 200 points. I know I can get times very similar to Bob, he's running approx 8min 9-17secs per lap (depending on tyre wear).

Given the above example how would you calculate its chances given your big list of data...
I'd appreciate it very much 👍 if you could work that out in a post so I can use your huge data to my advantage.

AMG.

Well, I've been out of the loop for a while, but first, if I recall, you don't get any A-Spec points if you raced any part in B-Spec. Then the tire change, you get credit based on the best tires you use on the front axle, not the tires you finish on. As I don't remember right, just try it on a two lap race some place.

Is this the NTSC version?

Now I have the Nurnburg 4 HR at 1154 points. Your car is at 1028/1061 If I remember right, the car comes equipped with S2 tires. If you run the car completely down, I think it take 19,000 KM(?) it's value is as used, at 1028. The multiplier of S2 to S1 tires is 0.9903. 1028 x 0.903 = 1018. With the first lineup at 1154, that is a 136 + 60 (equal car value) = 196 points. A little ballast and S1 tires should have you set!

Now I choose to use fully wasted cars and no oil changes because then I don't have to deal with power drops on endurance races. If the power is not sufficient, add a mufffler, chip, or something then use the N3 tires.

Anyway, your N1 plot puts you at a 260 point race, without ballast, at full used status! Wasting 60 points you cannot get!

The 4 hours will drain some power. May as well start fully used, then bump up the power with upgrades!

Tip for fully achieving fully used... Just run hmmm... forget... power and test track in B-Spec I think. Leave it overnight
 
Thx for coming back on my PM Wild Cobra, very much appreciated 👍

Just read your reply quickly and will study more carefully after I've posted this.

...you don't get any A-Spec points if you raced any part in B-Spec.
What I meant to say but apparently didnt clarify enough. I first let Bob have a go to see his results. Then I ran the race myself 100% in Aspec. On really long races I sometimes let Bob have a go first. He's a reasonable yardstick to measure my own performance in long races.
I also have a go myself and re-enter the race numerous times to work out how to get to 200 points.
(My winning average takes a big hit doing this every time but that's the only stat that I don't worry about)

In the above lineup N3s would net me 156 points and N1s 200 points.
I'd already worked out that the GSX is driveable on N3s so I ran 1 lap on N1 and quickly changed over to N3s.
Result I won the race for 200 comfortably.

...you don't get any A-Spec points if you raced any part in B-Spec. Then the tire change, you get credit based on the best tires you use on the front axle at start of the race
Correct on both accounts.

Is this the NTSC version?
PAL.

The 4 hours will drain some power. May as well start fully used, then bump up the power with upgrades!
hmmm, that's an interesting thought. Does mean I'll have to run a few cars in to the ground though. Bob's in for some driving.....
On the other hand the competition, I assume, are also affected during the race wrt power loss so that should even it out.

Edit: Studied your above calculations and re-read your thread. Yes, it's making sense to me now.👍 👍

AMG.
 
Umm, I tried this with a gsx/r4 and I was having a horrendous time staying on the track. Then I saw I had 2600 miles on the odometer. I did a chasis refresh and I'm doing better. But the suzuki is sooo light I'm really having a rough time keeping it in shape.
 
Umm, I tried this with a gsx/r4 and I was having a horrendous time staying on the track. Then I saw I had 2600 miles on the odometer. I did a chasis refresh and I'm doing better. But the suzuki is sooo light I'm really having a rough time keeping it in shape.

There are a few sections where it is wise not to push the car to the max.
One such section is around Pflanzgarten. I also played a bit with the suspension (softened) but I'm not a tuner at all so I may even have made the car worse.
I also increased ride height as its such a bumpy track. As mentioned earlier I did spin out on occasion but that was probably more to do with loss of concentration as it took me 5 hours to complete this 4 hour race.

AMG.
 
I tried Roadster 4h today but no luck...👎
Looks like this one is a real PITA...

I used as ANK sugested '91 MX-5 on N1/N3 and after first lap switch to N3/N3, but I can't catch them again... I can manage till 2nd place but leader is still far away and I'm out of NOS... ANK said in his writeup that after pit he catched them and still had half tank of NOS left...:nervous: Maybe I need to sharpen my lap times...

Any more tactics sugestions (NOS settings, pit schedual, lap times, ...) from few of you who managed this for 200 would be very much appreciated...

I belive this is the last of PITA race for me...

It's funy, PITA in croatian means some kind of cake...:lol:
 
It's funy, PITA in croatian means some kind of cake...:lol:

In NL it's a bread in a "bun shape of some kind" if I'm not mistaken. Sorry cant help you on the Roadster. That's a very very very boring track.

Ive maxxed out El Cap for 191 on N1s+200 weighties with the Saleen. That's more wallriding than racing. I'll need to put some more miles on it for 200. MoV 0.844s.

So Fizio, I agree (to an extent) it is doable but I certainly wouln't classify it as racing anymore. :)
It's more like trying to keep a shopping trolley going forward with 4 wheels going in 4 different directions at the same time.


AMG.
 
In NL it's a bread in a "bun shape of some kind" if I'm not mistaken. Sorry cant help you on the Roadster. That's a very very very boring track.

Ive maxxed out El Cap for 191 on N1s+200 weighties with the Saleen. That's more wallriding than racing. I'll need to put some more miles on it for 200. MoV 0.844s.

So Fizio, I agree (to an extent) it is doable but I certainly wouln't classify it as racing anymore. :)
It's more like trying to keep a shopping trolley going forward with 4 wheels going in 4 different directions at the same time.


AMG.


Have just managed 200 A-spec points with the Saleen on N1/N3 tyres in the Saleen S7 races at SS5, El Kapitan and Sarthe.
I totally agree with AMG, it loses all sense of fun when the race becomes a shortcutting, wallriding, car bashing nightmare.
How anybody manages clean races with N1 tyres I shall never know. If their are, I take my hat off to you. :)
nige
 
In NL it's a bread in a "bun shape of some kind" if I'm not mistaken. Sorry cant help you on the Roadster. That's a very very very boring track.

Ive maxxed out El Cap for 191 on N1s+200 weighties with the Saleen. That's more wallriding than racing. I'll need to put some more miles on it for 200. MoV 0.844s.

So Fizio, I agree (to an extent) it is doable but I certainly wouln't classify it as racing anymore. :)
It's more like trying to keep a shopping trolley going forward with 4 wheels going in 4 different directions at the same time.


AMG.

Excellent going for that Saleen race. I've only once tried for the 154 or 161??? points and just left it at that without trying anymore. I don't have that much spare time. Nothing wrong in cheating to get more points. You've gone above and beyond the call of duty. My race with Saleens at Suzuka was a sorry state of racing by cutting across grass and sand and sending opponent cars flying off the track to win some lousy 150 odd points. I was rather pathetic. Believe me, that is not racing. Just a shameful (glorious???) attempt to steal more points. (BTW. Four black Saleens get you more points, so reset the lineup)

Oh yeh, congrats on your 100,000 mark. I kept forgetting to mention, Good Work! Should I now address you as Master AMG or Lord AMG?

I'm sitting at 87,000 and screwing around with that stupid 1000 Miles Nurb and simply getting nowhere and righteously p*ssed-off. I'd better get cracking on some more easy stuff to join the elite GT4 gods.

Off-topic: In America we have "pita bread" which is some chewy, baked dough shaped like a pocket we stick meat and salad fillings inside. If you've ever eaten a taco that's what it's like.

Update:

I was able to get 191 points at El Capitan with not much effort, but at Route 5 I got clobbered by about 15 seconds. It was time to come back to earth. I see some possibility, but could use a miracle where all the other cars crash into a wall and get stuck for five minutes. And I lied about the 4 black Saleens getting more points. Figured you'd catch that one.
 
Have just managed 200 A-spec points with the Saleen on N1/N3 tyres in the Saleen S7 races at SS5, El Kapitan and Sarthe.
I totally agree with AMG, it loses all sense of fun when the race becomes a shortcutting, wallriding, car bashing nightmare.
How anybody manages clean races with N1 tyres I shall never know. If their are, I take my hat off to you. :)
nige

OMG. I want solid proof of that. Full length videos so no chance of Photoshop images and written oath signed in blood. That is really an amazing feat. Excellent. Incredible. Good job. Wow! Didn't think it would be possible. Yes, Lord nige would be a proper way to address thee.

I stay away from this forum for a couple of days and miss all these feats of superhuman skill.
 
Four black Saleens get you more points
That's new to me.
Off-topic: In America we have "pita bread" which is some chewy, baked dough shaped like a pocket we stick meat and salad fillings inside. If you've ever eaten a taco that's what it's like.
Yep, that's the one I mean too.
Oh yeh, congrats on your 100,000 mark. I kept forgetting to mention, Good Work! Should I now address you as Master AMG or Lord AMG?
Thank you. Hmmmm .... Lord AMG. has a nice ring to it. :sly: Maybe I should get another name change AMG_SLK -> AMG. -> Lord AMG.
Do you think I should create a new thread with a poll attached and ask the GTP members... nah j/k.

Back on topic...(more or less)
I'm sitting at 87,000
You're certainly catching up fast ! 👍
Hope to see you soon in the Elite 100.000 club :)

AMG.
 
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