2014 Belgian Grand Prix

[BHRxRacer]

Again, driver in front. Owns the corner. It is upon the overtaking driver to ensure the safety of both.

We've discussed this before. And I'd like to remind you:

http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/sporting_regulations/8683/fia.html

You can't squeeze people off the track on the straights or braking zones. That is what is explicitly stated.

You can't move off the racing line to defend in a corner, and can't move back once you have.

But you can hold the racing line in a corner.

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Was it hard racing? Definitely. Was it illegal? No.

Is it illegal to cut corners and punt people off?

Why yes, yes it is. Which is why Brundle stated that Pastor was lucky on avoiding the grid penalty.

It was actually Maldonado that had the out-in-out line. Hamilton was on the inside and went too deep into the corner to deliberately crowd Maldonado's car off the track. I believe that's illegal according 20.5 in your reference.

Thanks or coming.

@BHRxRacer
Look it's clearly obvious your not going to back down from your illogical fallacy so I'm not going to argue against you, rules are rules.

When you understand how racing works then you will understand.

When you watch the video again and put make draw a racing line you will understand.

 

[Nessy]

I see 4 lines of excuses for unprofessionalism. There should be 0.

When Nico deliberately took the choice to hit Lewis' car, and then say "i did it to prove a point", it's like a "middle finger" to Lewis. So really, it's not an excuse for being unprofessional to tell the media what happened in the meeting, as really it's become a motive for Lewis to do so.

 

[BHRxRacer]

When Nico deliberately took the choice to hit Lewis' car, and then say "i did it to prove a point", it's like a "middle finger" to Lewis. So really, it's not an excuse for being unprofessional to tell the media what happened in the meeting, as really it's become a motive for Lewis to do so.

So did the chicken come before the egg or did the egg come before the chicken?

 

[Swagger897]

When Nico deliberately took the choice to hit Lewis' car, and then say "i did it to prove a point", it's like a "middle finger" to Lewis. So really, it's not an excuse for being unprofessional to tell the media what happened in the meeting, as really it's become a motive for Lewis to do so.

What is the difference when Lewis said Nico is not a friend of his hand (or however that was explained at Bahrain??)

 

[Nessy]

So did the chicken come before the egg or did the egg come before the chicken?

I honestly don't know.. but what we do both know, is that wasn't "four lines of excuses for unprofessionalism" it's really just motive to relay what had happened at the meeting.

 

[BHRxRacer]

I honestly don't know.. but what we do both know, is that wasn't "four lines of excuses for unprofessionalism" it's really just motive.

Sigh.

In a professional team, both drivers are required to be professionals WITHOUT EXCUSES. Hamilton had been acting unprofessionally all season. Rosberg didn't do/say anything about it because he's still employed by a professional company that embraces professionalism. At Hungary Hamilton not only acted professionally, but broke a clause in his contract, then the team defended it. At that point, the team is no longer a professional team thus, Nico's not required to be a professional anymore (he still was with the media btw, that's how nice he is).

 

[mustafur]

Defending a move because someone did something, is exactly an eye for an eye argument.

Maldonado was on the racing line, but Hamilton was ahead making his right to the racing line invalid, then continuing a move whilst off the track is 100% illegal.

At no stage is anyone allowed to keep there battle for the following corner whilst all 4 wheels off the track, Grosjean got penalised for this in hungry 2013 and that didn't even result in a next corner crash.

Under F1 rules, anything other then Maldonado not going behind Hamilton instantly is penalty worthy.

 

[Nessy]

What is the difference when Lewis said Nico is not a friend of his hand (or however that was explained at Bahrain??)

Do you feel that Lewis Saying "Nico is not a friend of his hand", is fair enough amount of motive for Nico to ruin his team-mates race?

 

[BHRxRacer]

Defending a move because someone did something, is exactly an eye for an eye argument.

Maldonado was on the racing line, but Hamilton was ahead making his right to the racing line invalid, then continuing a move whilst off the track is 100% illegal.

At no stage is anyone allowed to keep there battle for the following corner whilst all 4 wheels off the track, Grosjean got penalised for this in hungry 2013 and that didn't even result in a next corner crash.

Under F1 rules, anything other then Maldonado not going behind Hamilton instantly is penalty worthy.

FIA website doesn't say anything about "the guy ahead".


From the FIA:

20.5 Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted.

Case closed.

 

[Nessy]

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Sigh.

At that point, the team is no longer a professional team thus, Nico's not required to be a professional anymore (he still was with the media btw, that's how nice he is).

Would explain the "unprofessional" way Nico conducted himself during the race then, as well as the "unprofessional" ("to prove a point") excuse he provided in the meeting.

 

[BHRxRacer]

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Would explain the "unprofessionable" way Nico conducted himself during the race then as well as the "unprofessionable" excuse ("to prove a point") he provided in the meeting.

During the season when?

 

[Nessy]

During the season when?

2014 Belgian GP

 

[mustafur]

FIA website doesn't say anything about "the guy ahead".


From the FIA:

20.5 Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted.

Case closed.

you still don't get it do you, maldonado still tried to maintain position off the track.

eye for an eye does not count.

 

[BHRxRacer]

you still don't get it do you, maldonado still tried to maintain position off the track.

eye for an eye does not count.

/facepalm

Hamilton should've gotten a penalty. Doesn't matter What Maldonado did after.

This is seriously the last post about this.

Belgian GP

During the season implies prior to the last race. Yes, it explains why he chose to act like Hamilton and the team. The team gave away their right to demand professionalism from Nico when they ****ed him over in Hungary. That's the point he wanted to prove.

 

[Nessy]

During the season implies prior to the last race. Yes, it explains why he chose to act like Hamilton and the team. The team gave away their right to demand professionalism from Nico when they ****ed him over in Hungary. That's the point he wanted to prove.

So, (just to be clear) you think that Nico conducted himself unprofessionally in the last race, yes?

 

[mustafur]

ok so under your logic, car gets pushed off track, doesn't matter what he does now even if he hits the guy on purpose because it happened after the fact.

Eye for eye if i ever heard of it.

 

[BHRxRacer]

So, (just to be clear) you think that Nico conducted himself unprofessionally in the last race?

Of course.

But was it wrong of him? No.

ok so under your logic, car gets pushed off track, doesn't matter what he does now even if he hits the guy on purpose because it happened after the fact.

Eye for eye if i ever heard of it.

Let's assume Maldonado went straight off and never touched Hamilton.


Would you or would you not give Hamilton a penalty for breaking rule 20.5?

 

[GTPorsche]

Just saw the replay of the race on NBCSN.

Lap 2; Les Combes was a racing incident that could have been avoided if Nico backed off, but it's still a racing incident.

Ricciardo is proving to be very good in a car that isn't as good as it was compared to the last 4-5 years. I figured he would win this season, because the team is more than capable of doing it, but at the same time I wouldn't have expected Vettel to be sitting on zero wins compared to Ricciardo's three.

 

[noshog]

Please no more on the Pastor/Hamilton incident, it really has nothing in common with the Rosberg/Hamilton incident at Spa !

 

[Nessy]

Of course.

But was it wrong of him? No.

You think that Lewis was unprofessional by talking to the media about the meeting, (this has already been established).

But was it wrong of him to do such a thing?

 

[Grayfox]

Hamilton's tires were also shot so while he clearly not does need to yield and has a right to defend his place, but when you are going wide on each corner and you got Maldonado who is attempting to overtake you, you yield and yield fast or you will get maldonadoed

 

[BHRxRacer]

You think that Lewis was unprofessional by talking to the media about the meeting, (this has already been established).

But was it wrong of him to do such a thing?

it = relaying info from a private meeting to the media? Yes it's wrong of him.

 

[mustafur]

Of course.

But was it wrong of him? No.


Let's assume Maldonado went straight off and never touched Hamilton.


Would you or would you not give Hamilton a penalty for breaking rule 20.5?

Yes, most likely.

I stated this above in other quote, Maldonado then instead of yeilding used the offtrack momentum to snatch the next corner.

Hitting someone using offtrack momentum is a much more serious offence.

 

[BHRxRacer]

Yes, most likely.

I stated this above in other quote, Maldonado then instead of yeilding used the offtrack momentum to snatch the next corner.

Hitting someone using offtrack momentum is a much more serious offence.

Had Maldonado not gone off track, it'd be Hamilton hitting someone deliberately. Equally serious offense.

 

[Nessy]

it = relaying info from a private meeting to the media? Yes it's wrong of him.

Why is it wrong for Lewis to be (your words) "unprofessional"?.. but when Nicos' unprofessional (you admitted he conducted himself unprofessionally in the last race) you seem to think that's okay.

 

[mustafur]

Had Maldonado not gone off track, it'd be Hamilton hitting someone deliberately. Equally serious offense.

but that didn't happen thats the point.

sounds weird I know, but under racing rules you must yield as soon as your offtrack if battling for position, this wouldn't of been a problem in the past because off track usually meant offtrack, now its runoff.

 

[BHRxRacer]

Why is it wrong for Lewis to be (your words) "unprofessionable"?.. but when Nicos' unprofessional (you admitted he conducted himself unprofessionally in the last race) you seem to think that's okay.

Because when Hamilton acted unprofessionally, he had no grounds or excuses for it. He was treated fairly by Rosberg, the fans and most importantly the team.

but that didn't happen thats the point.

sounds weird I know, but under racing rules you must yield as soon as your offtrack if battling for position, this wouldn't of been a problem in the past because off track usually meant offtrack, now its runoff.

Ok so it's not murder, it's failed/attempted murder. Equally serious offense.

 

[Nessy]

Because when Hamilton acted unprofessionally, he had no grounds or excuses for it.

Nah.. not excuses. He had motive.
Nico hitting Lewis' car (2014 Belgian GP), must have seemed like a middle finger to Lewis, therefore providing enough motive for Lewis to act unprofessionally, and discuss what had happened in the meeting to the media.

 

[BHRxRacer]

Nah.. not excuses. He had motive.
Nico hitting Lewis' car (2014 Belgian GP), must have seemed like a middle finger to Lewis, therefore providing motive for Lewis to act unprofessional, and discuss the meeting with the media.

What motive did he have before Spa?

 

[Nessy]

What motive did he have before Spa?

Who, Lewis?

I dunno, maybe Lewis thought Nicos' rather convenient qualifying mishap-and post qualifying celebration (2014 Monaco GP), as some kind of middle finger towards him (Lewis), thus providing motive and reason to act unprofessional.

Or maybe (purely hypothetical, i know), Nico unprofessionally made fun of Lewis' hair or clothes during their Karting years, which Lewis may have seen as a middle finger, thus harboring some kind of motive till this very day, providing reason to act unprofessional.