2014 BMW M3/M4, will it be tri turbo or not? Answer is sort of

[McLaren]

I rather they not, and I get what you're getting at but my point was I never thought those V10s and V8s were super throaty and I have got to experience driving around quite a few where I live.

Your point isn't really applicable, though. I originally said the M4 was lacking in sound in comparison to the previous cars & you bring up the fake sound in the cabin as an opposing view. That's completely irrelevant because it doesn't matter if it's inside or out, the M4 just doesn't produce the same menacing sound as the old M3s.

All that feature will do will just make it more apparent to the driver.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Your point isn't really applicable, though. I originally said the M4 was lacking in sound in comparison to the previous cars & you bring up the fake sound in the cabin as an opposing view. That's completely irrelevant because it doesn't matter if it's inside or out, the M4 just doesn't produce the same menacing sound as the old M3s.

All that feature will do will just make it more apparent to the driver.

I get that, but what I'm trying to say is that I don't think they been good at producing engine noises for a long time now. And to highlight that I've told you that I've had the chance to hear several stock due to the area I live in having many top end cars. I used the cabin issue (at least it is to me) as a reasoning for the engine not producing a deep sound for those it competes with and I have ridden in Cadi and Mercedes.

Also the M3 stock wasn't menacing which is my point and was so non-menacing BMW thought to supply their owners with in car sounds (a place it shouldn't matter) to give the persuasion of a louder car than it actually was.
That's my point, and I wouldn't be surprised if they did it for these cars, as the other user said it seems like BMW didn't do nearly enough to compensate for it have two turbos that will muffle sound.

Also I wasn't bringing up an opposing view, I know we've hashed it out in the past, but it's due to not agreeing with you and in this case I'm agreeing with you. I believe that sound of the cars aren't that great. So how am I opposing? I'd say now I'm opposing somewhat because I think this is a trend with BMW for the past few M cars has been poor sounding.

 

[McLaren]

I get that, but what I'm trying to say is that I don't think they been good at producing engine noises for a long time now. And to highlight that I've told you that I've had the chance to hear several stock due to the area I live in having many top end cars. I used the cabin issue (at least it is to me) as a reasoning for the engine not producing a deep sound for those it competes with and I have ridden in Cadi and Mercedes

Then that's all that was needed. Bringing up the sound-in-the-cabin feature wasn't because it didn't change anything in comparing the engine notes. I don't know what you hearing the cars as anything to do with it as I'm sure everyone here has heard them in person or why Cadillac & Mercedes matter at all; no one has brought them up. What you or I or anyone else hears is just going to be personal tastes.

Also the M3 stock wasn't menacing which is my point and was so non-menacing BMW thought to supply their owners with in car sounds (a place it shouldn't matter) to give the persuasion of a louder car than it actually was.
That's my point, and I wouldn't be surprised if they did it for these cars, as the other user said it seems like BMW didn't do nearly enough to compensate for it have two turbos that will muffle sound.

It has nothing to do with the car not being menacing enough. It's there for the same reason Porsche uses it; so that the engine noise is more audible in the cabin due to the sound deadening. All a driver has to do otherwise is roll down the windows & go WOT. The E92 has a deep enough growl to it for anyone outside the car to hear, but it's not as audible inside because it's not really supposed to be. That's just how BMW are.

Also I wasn't bringing up an opposing view, I know we've hashed it out in the past, but it's due to not agreeing with you and in this case I'm agreeing with you. I believe that sound of the cars aren't that great. So how am I opposing? I'd say now I'm opposing somewhat because I think this is a trend with BMW for the past few M cars has been poor sounding.

It was an opposing view. I said the M4 lacks in sound which is a disappointment considering the engineers did wonders with the past cars. You disagreed because they didn't because of the in-car sounds.

I don't think the previous cars sounded bad. I think the E92 M3's V8 was a great sounding engine & the M4's twin-turbo I6 just doesn't seem to be anywhere as good. I think they dropped the ball here, you appear to think they already dropped the ball beforehand.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Then that's all that was needed. Bringing up the sound-in-the-cabin feature wasn't because it didn't change anything in comparing the engine notes. I don't know what you hearing the cars as anything to do with it as I'm sure everyone here has heard them in person or why Cadillac & Mercedes matter at all; no one has brought them up. What you or I or anyone else hears is just going to be personal tastes.

I know I'm bringing them up for comparison so you understand why I don't think the BMWs you have had great sounds compared to competition and in general. I'm not making you have to read as much into as you seem to be. Also my last post said I didn't think they have been good a producing sound from their engines so I've said it three times now, I'm glad you see what I meant at least on that front.

It has nothing to do with the car not being menacing enough. It's there for the same reason Porsche uses it; so that the engine noise is more audible in the cabin due to the sound deadening. All a driver has to do otherwise is roll down the windows & go WOT. The E92 has a deep enough growl to it for anyone outside the car to hear, but it's not as audible inside because it's not really supposed to be. That's just how BMW are.

I know I was going to bring up that they are very key on cabin noise and it being almost non-existant, 60 minutes did a wonderful story on BMW a year or two ago. I still disagree I've been around enough E90s M versions walking around town, purposefully stopped to hear them and wasn't impressed, nor was I driving around them or having some early 20 year old blow past me on the 101 (freeway here in PHX/Tempe) doing 20 over and not hearing anything super amazing or deep bellowing. Porsche is another group that I don't think have very loud or significant exhaust notes so...

It was an opposing view. I said the M4 lacks in sound which is a disappointment considering the engineers did wonders with the past cars. You disagreed because they didn't because of the in-car sounds.

I didn't disagree with that I agree you probably were right because of one not being impressed with the last gen cars from them so I thought "no surprise". Two I attribute that with the fact that they have engine noises inside the car to make it sound louder than it is. However, the car instillation doesn't help so that is probably part of the reason why so I agree with you on that to a degree. If I really wanted to argue you I would have I'm not trying to...well wasn't.

Basically I'm saying I agree and am not surprised due to my belief that last gen wasn't great so why should this gen.

I don't think the previous cars sounded bad. I think the E92 M3's V8 was a great sounding engine & the M4's twin-turbo I6 just doesn't seem to be anywhere as good. I think they dropped the ball here, you appear to think they already dropped the ball beforehand.

That's fine if you don't think so, that's your opinion I'm not going to cram mine down your throat just trying to give perspective of where I'm coming from. Read last post again and then you'll understand why I don't think they sounded great because of who I compared them too.

And now you've got it, yes I do think they dropped the ball a while ago.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

They dropped it when they got rid of the 3.2 and 3.6/3.8 i6's..

 

[Kent]

I know I'm bringing them up for comparison so you understand why I don't think the BMWs you have had great sounds compared to competition and in general. I'm not making you have to read as much into as you seem to be. Also my last post said I didn't think they have been good a producing sound from their engines so I've said it three times now, I'm glad you see what I meant at least on that front.



I know I was going to bring up that they are very key on cabin noise and it being almost non-existant, 60 minutes did a wonderful story on BMW a year or two ago. I still disagree I've been around enough E90s M versions walking around town, purposefully stopped to hear them and wasn't impressed, nor was I driving around them or having some early 20 year old blow past me on the 101 (freeway here in PHX/Tempe) doing 20 over and not hearing anything super amazing or deep bellowing. Porsche is another group that I don't think have very loud or significant exhaust notes so...



I didn't disagree with that I agree you probably were right because of one not being impressed with the last gen cars from them so I thought "no surprise". Two I attribute that with the fact that they have engine noises inside the car to make it sound louder than it is. However, the car instillation doesn't help so that is probably part of the reason why so I agree with you on that to a degree. If I really wanted to argue you I would have I'm not trying to...well wasn't.

Basically I'm saying I agree and am not surprised due to my belief that last gen wasn't great so why should this gen.



That's fine if you don't think so, that's your opinion I'm not going to cram mine down your throat just trying to give perspective of where I'm coming from. Read last post again and then you'll understand why I don't think they sounded great because of who I compared them too.

And now you've got it, yes I do think they dropped the ball a while ago.

Just curious but what does have a good exhaust sound in your opinion?

Hearing anyone say Porsche and M cars have nothing to offer for exhaust sound isn't really common and I'd like to know what sort of sounds do impress you.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Just curious but what does have a good exhaust sound in your opinion?

Hearing anyone say Porsche and M cars have nothing to offer for exhaust sound isn't really common and I'd like to know what sort of sounds do impress you.

I gave example to McLaren in the post above. I basically go into a thinking as a person buying cars in that class and say to myself, "well I've heard the Mercedes and Audi and Cadillac". The fact I've rode in a couple of these cars and have had the chance to hear them inside as well as out.

 

[Kent]

I gave example to McLaren in the post above. I basically go into a thinking as a person buying cars in that class and say to myself, "well I've heard the Mercedes and Audi and Cadillac". The fact I've rode in a couple of these cars and have had the chance to hear them inside as well as out.

That's a cop-out of an answer.
I looked at your back and forth posting with McLaren and you only say the new M3/M4 doesn't sound as good as the old ones. I wasn't asking about that but obviously you aren't prepared to tell me what you think has a good exhaust sound. No biggie, I was just curious since you put it out there that you didn't like the more recent M cars exhaust.

Oh, and I've heard all of those big three cars in person as well. 👍
C63, CTSv, M3, and many, many others... That wasn't what I was asking, I was actually getting at what your preference is, not just if you had heard the variety in person.

Again though, no biggie.
Wanted that insight as to what you find to be a "good" exhaust sound.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

That's a cop-out of an answer.
I looked at your back and forth posting with McLaren and you only say the new M3/M4 doesn't sound as good as the old ones. I wasn't asking about that but obviously you aren't prepared to tell me what you think has a good exhaust sound. No biggie, I was just curious since you put it out there that you didn't like the more recent M cars exhaust.

Oh, and I've heard all of those big three cars in person as well. 👍
C63, CTSv, M3, and many, many others... That wasn't what I was asking, I was actually getting at what your preference is, not just if you had heard the variety in person.

Again though, no biggie.
Wanted that insight as to what you find to be a "good" exhaust sound.

How is that a cop-out, I told you what I thought has a good exhaust sound. The Mercedes and the Cadillac as well as Audi (though some). I don't see how that is a cop-out, I just didn't want to repeat myself after I posted in prior to McLaren. Obviously my preference is all over the place, I just don't like quite performance cars, hence why I quoted liking the Merc and the Cadi, those are obviously my preferences by default.

Not sure how I'm coping out?

 

[Kent]

How is that a cop-out, I told you what I thought has a good exhaust sound. The Mercedes and the Cadillac as well as Audi (though some). I don't see how that is a cop-out, I just didn't want to repeat myself after I posted in prior to McLaren. Obviously my preference is all over the place, I just don't like quite performance cars, hence why I quoted liking the Merc and the Cadi, those are obviously my preferences by default.

Not sure how I'm coping out?

Ah, I must have gotten the wrong impression from the back-n-forth I read.
I was mistaken in thinking you said "I don't like the BMW and I have first hand experience with all of them." When in reality you were saying, "I like all the others, not the BMW."

Fair enough.

That said, I am inclined to feel like the newer M3 (E92) had good growl down low and excellent balance at high rpm. Sure it doesn't have the growl of a C63 but it certainly sounds refined and stout. I have no experience with completely stock old M3s (every one of the old M3s I've been around had aftermarket exhaust) but based on video evidence I'd be willing to say the newer M3s actually sound better at both high and low RPM.

As the M3 v. C63... That's a hard one because I actually like a balanced sound from high revs (what can I say, the ultimate in car sound to me is an F1, not a Cuda). The C63 is just too throaty at high RPM for my taste in a vehicle of that level. Were we talking about that sort of sound coming from a Charger or Mustang or something along those lines I'd be a bit more forgiving but IMHO a high dollar luxury sedan should sound just as refined as the rest of the package.

Just the same, thanks for clearing that up for me. 👍

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Ah, I must have gotten the wrong impression from the back-n-forth I read.
I was mistaken in thinking you said "I don't like the BMW and I have first hand experience with all of them." When in reality you were saying, "I like all the others, not the BMW."

Fair enough.

That said, I am inclined to feel like the newer M3 (E92) had good growl down low and excellent balance at high rpm. Sure it doesn't have the growl of a C63 but it certainly sounds refined and stout. I have no experience with completely stock old M3s (every one of the old M3s I've been around had aftermarket exhaust) but based on video evidence I'd be willing to say the newer M3s actually sound better at both high and low RPM.

As the M3 v. C63... That's a hard one because I actually like a balanced sound from high revs (what can I say, the ultimate in car sound to me is an F1, not a Harley). The C63 is just too throaty at high RPM for my taste in a vehicle of that level. Were we talking about that sort of sound coming from a Charger or Mustang or something along those lines I'd be a bit more forgiving but IMHO a high dollar luxury sedan should sound just as refined as the rest of the package.

Just the same, thanks for clearing that up for me. 👍

No problem, and I've never been a BMW fan to be honest I hate most of what they do. Do you not like Cadillac then? Because that's high end considering what you pay for it when it's all said and done. Which is about $70k and we know what it sounds like in the upper rev band.

 

[Kent]

No problem, and I've never been a BMW fan to be honest I hate most of what they do. Do you not like Cadillac then? Because that's high end considering what you pay for it when it's all said and done. Which is about $70k and we know what it sounds like in the upper rev band.

I do like Cadillac but not for the sound, more for the balance of performance. The sound isn't bad, but I still wouldn't put the previous generation CTS V on the same level as the E92 M3 regarding sound. I'm a sucker for high revs that don't get too gnarly. Don't get me wrong, I love a little bite in the sound but given the choice between a car that sounded like the C63, the more mild CTS V, and the M3 I'd want my car to sound like the M3.
It's part of why I'm actually happy to see the equal length headers of the new WRX. Sure, I'll miss the burble of my '11 Sti's unequal length setup but at the end of the day I believe the equal length system will sound more refined and balanced at high RPM... At idle it's a different story.
At idle I prefer the C63 type of sound because there's something really coming through in the sound... Cars like the M3 at idle don't make all that special a sound unless you listen closely, the C63 and other gnarly engines seem to jump out at you when they sit at idle. 👍

 

[Vegard]

So I watched the Ascari clip and I didn't like the sound at all.
It reminded me of when I first heard the Huayra

It sounds like... like PD designed the sound

Also, why do all these new Turbo cars "fart" when upshifting?

 

[CodeRedR51]

Also, why do all these new Turbo cars "fart" when upshifting?

Byproduct of using a dual clutch (flappy paddle) gearbox.

 

[disinfected]

More auto show goodness.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

It looks huuuuuge.

 

[niky]

Does it? Looks about the same size as a Genesis Coupe.

 

[Omnis]

It looks huuuuuge.

That's not an adult bottom right.

 

[disinfected]

Does it? Looks about the same size as a Genesis Coupe.

It's for sure quite large in person, too.

 

[05XR8]

So I watched the Ascari clip and I didn't like the sound at all.
It reminded me of when I first heard the Huayra

It sounds like... like PD designed the sound

Also, why do all these new Turbo cars "fart" when upshifting?

My wife's Megane 265 Trophy+ does this. Only in Sport Mode but, it's a manual only.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

It is huge. It might be that the more dynamic, swept-back bodylines exaggerate the length and width, but sitting in it, it certainly feels like calling it "compact" (as in "compact executive", the term tossed around for the 3/C/A4 trio most often) is a misnomer now. I'm an average build, and I felt like I had way too much space around me when I sat in it last month.

 

[AudiMan2011]

Is this an upcoming M4 GTS?

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1045532_potential-bmw-m4-gts-spied-testing-video

 

[mustafur]

Having heard a M3 in person floor it, it still has that Iconic straight six sound once the cams open up, just with a turbo deadning the sound a little, nothing an Aftermarket exhuast couldn't fix.

 

[05XR8]

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/32E4E4C1B7BA0313CA257E3E00234A5A

THE BMW 3 Series range will include a three-cylinder turbocharged petrol engine for the first time, with the German prestige car-maker unveiling details of a mid-life refresh for the three-year-old F30 this week.

 

[VXR]

That triple will probably have the better sound inherent to a three than an I4 would. I can't wait to hear one.

 

[MatskiMonk]

330e could be my next car based on those numbers.

 

[MatskiMonk]

BMW M4 GTS Concept.

No power or weight numbers yet though.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

There's tacky wheels and then there's those..

 

[GTboyz]

should have kept the same paint scheme as the previous GTS.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

BMW M4 GTS Concept.

No power or weight numbers yet though.

Eh the wheels aren't too bad it seems BMW flashy when they do stuff like this. What kills me is the wing, as if they personally asked a FM or GT player what wing from the shop they'd put on a BMW. And then went with that option.

Front lip is also a bit dramatic but the to tone matte with chrome paint is different in a good way. To me that is.

EDIT: Then again...I was strictly looking at the last image as I made my post. So when I went back up and saw the first picture the whole Mansory esque ideas started to slap me in the face, so I see your point.