2014 NASCAR Thread

[cnd01]

It was scheduled for 188. They went 187.5

 

[GTPorsche]

I guess I was wrong when I realized that Daytona had lights.

They're already a day late with this race, it went beyond halfway and the storms in the area aren't going anywhere.

 

[Blitz24]

It was scheduled for 188. They went 187.5

Wow. I hope you aren't being serious.....

I guess any race that finishes under caution is an incomplete race.

 

[nascarfan1400]

Wow. I hope you aren't being serious.....

I guess any race that finishes under caution is an incomplete race.

Indeed it isn't, the winners of this race and the Dega race would not be the same if it was a complete event.

 

[iRevelationz]

It was scheduled for 188. They went 187.5

Not sure if sarcasm.

They completed 188 laps, the scheduled distance. A caution flying on the last lap doesn't change that.

 

[GTPorsche]

It was scheduled for 188. They went 187.5

Now you're just arguing semantics. They crossed the finish line to complete lap 188.

Without the green-white-checkered artificial finishes they added in 2004, races use to end under caution with 5-6 laps left. Guess all those races were incomplete as well.

 

[iRevelationz]

Indeed it isn't, the winners of this race and the Dega race would not be the same if it was a complete event.

Can you prove that?

 

[nascarfan1400]

Not sure if sarcasm.

They completed 188 laps, the scheduled distance. A caution flying on the last lap doesn't change that.

Now you're just arguing semantics. They crossed the finish line to complete lap 188.

Without the green-white-checkered artificial finishes they added in 2004, races use to end under caution with 5-6 laps left. Guess all those races were incomplete as well.

They don't finish it under green, if you'd ask the drivers I'm sure they would agree, it was over when the yellow flew.

 

[Johnny1996]

They're already a day late with this race, it went beyond halfway and the storms in the area aren't going anywhere.

Yeah I'm just really mad that my plans that revolved around this race got ruined, then the last good thing I had going for the weekend (this race) wasn't complete.

 

[nascarfan1400]

Can you prove that?

Indeed I can, statistically, last lap passes have been successful for a several races, Biffle would've passed Hamlin, and there's no way Almirola wouldlve held them off.

 

[iRevelationz]

They don't finish it under green, if you'd ask the drivers I'm sure they would agree, it was over when the yellow flew.

The field was frozen when the yellow flew. That doesn't equal the race being over. Drivers still have to make it back around at a reasonable speed.

 

[nascarfan1400]

Yeah I'm just really mad that my plans that revolved around this race got ruined, then the last good thing I had going for the weekend (this race) wasn't complete.

This.

Plate races are the ones that I look forward to most. And when 66% don't end under green, it's frustrating.

 

[Blitz24]

Indeed I can, statistically, last lap passes have been successful for a several races, Biffle would've passed Hamlin, and there's no way Almirola wouldlve held them off.

Once again, arguing hypothetically. You have no idea that Biffle would have passed Hamlin and won and you certainly have no idea that Almirola would have automatically lost the race.

 

[iRevelationz]

Indeed I can, statistically, last lap passes have been successful for a several races, Biffle would've passed Hamlin, and there's no way Almirola wouldlve held them off.

That's a statistical probability. I asked for concrete proof.

 

[nascarfan1400]

The field was frozen when the yellow flew. That doesn't equal the race being over. Drivers still have to make it back around at a reasonable speed.

The standings no longer change, and the debris that threw the yellow was not a threat. It was ridiculous.

 

[nascarfan1400]

Once again, arguing hypothetically. You have no idea that Biffle would have passed Hamlin and won and you certainly have no idea that Almirola would have automatically lost the race.

You know what- you never know, but Hamlin isn't a good blocker, he either would've been passed, or cause a huge mess. But we will never know because the race ends prematurely.

 

[GTPorsche]

The standings no longer change, and the debris that threw the yellow was not a threat. It was ridiculous.

That debris was a last-lap wreck...

 

[iRevelationz]

The standings no longer change.

Wrong again. Standings can change if someone doesn't maintain a reasonable speed. See: Marcos Ambrose at Sonoma, 2010.

 

[nascarfan1400]

That's a statistical probability. I asked for concrete proof.

Let me call up everyone running and have them rerun that extra half lap.

You have no proof either in saying Hamlin would've won Dega or that Almirola would hang on and win.

 

[GTPorsche]

Let me call up everyone running and have them rerun that extra half lap.

You have no proof either in saying Hamlin would've won Dega or that Almirola would hang on and win.

And you have no proof to the contrary.

 

[nascarfan1400]

Wrong again. Standings can change if someone doesn't maintain a reasonable speed. See: Marcos Ambrose at Sonoma, 2010.

That was not a race deciding caution?

That debris was a last-lap wreck...

All cars had cleared and all that remained was a fender...

 

[nascarfan1400]

And you have no proof to the contrary.

I have statistical back up that in your side of the situation you lack.

 

[Blitz24]

Setting up a what if argument means you can validate that a flying pig could have won a race. We cannot prove you wrong because you will say we have no proof for doing so and vice versa. Just because it could have happened does not mean it would have happened.

 

[iRevelationz]

You have no proof either in saying Hamlin would've won Dega or that Almirola would hang on and win.

I'm not the one making purely hypothetical predictions either way

That was not a race deciding caution?

Does it matter?

 

[GTPorsche]

That was not a race deciding caution?


All cars had cleared and all that remained was a fender...

That was a race deciding caution as Ambrose had dominated that race and was most likely going to win had it not been for the car not refiring.

That fender was from that last lap wreck and was laying right in the middle of the track at the start/finish line.

 

[nascarfan1400]

I'm not the one making purely hypothetical predictions either way



Does it matter?

/)_- I'm stupefied by your lack of understanding of the argument

Setting up a what if argument means you can validate that a flying pig could have won a race. We cannot prove you wrong because you will say we have no proof for doing so and vice versa. Just because it could have happened does not mean it would have happened.

I'm just gonna take this advice and stop.

 

[nascarfan1400]

That was a race deciding caution as Ambrose had dominated that race and was most likely going to win had it not been for the car not refiring.

That fender was from that last lap wreck and was laying right in the middle of the track at the start/finish line.

I'm sorry? It was not a caution that froze the field and ended the race.

 

[iRevelationz]

/)_- I'm stupefied by your lack of understanding of the argument.

Please, enlighten me with your divine statistical wisdom.

I have statistical back up that in your side of the situation you lack.

Okay.

Aric Almirola won the race today. With that statistic in the bank, he's automatically going to win the July Daytona race next year. No matter what.

See how that works?

 

[Blitz24]

Gordon lost Martinsville 2 years ago due to a caution. Also likely lost Fontana this year due to a caution.

It goes both ways.

Also, to add to this, Almirola has become the first driver in NASCAR history to win 2 races in two series and manage to not officially complete the full distance of the race in either of them.

 

[GTPorsche]

I'm sorry? It was not a caution that froze the field and ended the race.

Every caution freezes the field. Just because it's not the last lap, doesn't mean it has no impact on the race finish.