2014 NASCAR Thread

[nascarfan1400]

Please, enlighten me with your divine statistical wisdom.



Okay.

Aric Almirola won the race today. With that statistic in the bank, he's automatically going to win the July Daytona race next year.

See how that works?

He won it by virtue of a rain delay. The statistics show that if the race would go on to the end even if he led the whole race, he's very likely to be passed by the 2nd or 3rd place guy.

It's not a statistic to say that the race winner of a fluke race will win next year,

It's statistical to say that the leader during a thunderstorm usually wins.

 

[AnthonyD1993]

Guessing about what might happened is useless because anything could have happened. All that matters are the official statistics at the end of a race.

 

[nascarfan1400]

Every caution freezes the field. Just because it's not the last lap, doesn't mean it has no impact on the race finish.

Not my point. My point is that the caution on the last lap ends everything, there's no chance to redeem.

 

[Blitz24]

What is being argued now? That Hamlin and Almirola don't deserve their victories because they would not have won? Pretty sure luck is also involved in racing, not just skill. Hamlin was fortunate to have the caution come out and Almirola was lucky to have the race called but neither of them should have their win discounted because they "could have" lost.

 

[iRevelationz]

Not my point. My point is that the caution on the last lap ends everything, there's no chance to redeem.

So what happens if on the last lap at Dega, the caution comes out, freezes the field, then Hamlin blows up going into turn three. Does he still win the race?

According to your logic he does, as the race is over.

 

[nascarfan1400]

What is being argued now? That Hamlin and Almirola don't deserve their victories because they would not have won? Pretty sure luck is also involved in racing, not just skill. Hamlin was fortunate to have the caution come out and Almirola was lucky to have the race called but neither of them should have their win discounted because they "could have" lost.

The argument is that 2/3 plate races ended prematurely.

 

[nascarfan1400]

So what happens if on the last lap at Dega, the caution comes out, freezes the field, then Hamlin blows up going into turn three. Does he still win the race?

According to your logic he does, as the race is over.

He does as the field is frozen and the race ends at the last scoring loop.

 

[Blitz24]

The argument is that 2/3 plate races ended prematurely.

This one did, as the race did not go the full distance, but it's not as if it wasn't already going to be a factor.

Talladega? No. @iRevelationz brings up an excellent point and races HAVE BEEN LOST despite ending under caution.

 

[GTPorsche]

He does as the field is frozen and the race ends at the last scoring loop.

Leader, and everyone else has to maintain pace car speed to maintain position. So no, if something happened to a leader, under caution on a final lap and he slowed significantly or came to a stop, he would not win.

 

[nascarfan1400]

This one did, as the race did not go the full distance, but it's not as if it wasn't already going to be a factor.

Talladega? No. @iRevelationz brings up an excellent point and races HAVE BEEN LOST despite ending under caution.

I have not seen an instance where the race was lost in the half lap between the caution a and checkers where the leader lost? At least I don't remember

 

[iRevelationz]

He does as the field is frozen and the race ends at the last scoring loop.

You continue to ignore blatant facts.

The race DOES NOT end at the last scoring loop crossed before a yellow is thrown. The field is frozen at that moment, but the race is not over. You can still lose position if you fail to mention a reasonable speed.

I'm not sure how much simply I can make it for you to understand,

 

[Carbonox]

So I came into this thread with a lot of unread pages.

The first few said: "DANICA DANICA DANICA DANICA DANICA DANICA DANICA DANICA DANICA DANICA"

And the last few contain moaning because an underdog won a race for a change.

 

[Blitz24]

Mark Martin. Came down pit road thinking the race was over one lap before it ended. He lost the race. He didn't blow up but he did lose a race that he would not have lost had he have stayed out one more lap.

 

[MustangRyan]

Mark Martin. Came down pit road thinking the race was over one lap before it ended. He lost the race. He didn't blow up but he did lose a race that he would not have lost had he have stayed out one more lap.

Bristol, nationwide series?

 

[nascarfan1400]

Mark Martin. Came down pit road thinking the race was over one lap before it ended. He lost the race. He didn't blow up but he did lose a race that he would not have lost had he have stayed out one more lap.

But he went into the pits, that's different, isn't it?

 

[Carbonox]

Bristol, nationwide series?

Busch series. Primary sponsor is always super-duper-important.

 

[GTPorsche]

But he went into the pits, that's different, isn't it?

It was under caution. He thought race was over so he returned to the pits. He didn't get the lead back and the win because he gave up position.

 

[MustangRyan]

I have not seen an instance where the race was lost in the half lap between the caution a and checkers where the leader lost? At least I don't remember

Wasn't the Nationwide race at Road America a few years ago lost because of a last lap caution, but the leader ran out of gas, and didn't make it back to win the race? I'm thinking it involved Ron Fellows...

 

[iRevelationz]

But he went into the pits, that's different, isn't it?

Yeah. You're definitely just trolling. No one is this ignorant.

 

[Blitz24]

Bristol, BUSCH series?

FTFY.

Yep, 1994. David Green won the race, his only win of the season as he won that year's championship.

 

[nascarfan1400]

It was under caution. He thought race was over so he returned to the pits. He didn't get the lead back and the win because he gave up position.

Hmm, but the Pits are different. Seeing you lose spots there regardless. If that makes sense.

Wasn't the Nationwide race at Road America a few years ago lost because of a last lap caution, but the leader ran out of gas, and didn't make it back to win the race? I'm thinking it involved Ron Fellows...

? I don't know but this would be the one that proves me wrong

 

[GTPorsche]

Wasn't the Nationwide race at Road America a few years ago lost because of a last lap caution, but the leader ran out of gas, and didn't make it back to win the race? I'm thinking it involved Ron Fellows...

Yes. Justin Allgaier I believe it was.

 

[nascarfan1400]

Yeah. You're definitely just trolling. No one is this ignorant.

You know what? Shut it. I'm legitimately asking someone who's not you for a legitimate explanation. Off with you. Bye!

 

[iRevelationz]

You know what? Shut it. I'm legitimately asking someone who's not you for a legitimate explanation. Off with you. Bye!

I've given you more than enough explanations and you refuse to accept them.

Bye.

 

[MustangRyan]

It was scheduled for 188. They went 187.5

Do you also get upset when they run extra laps over the scheduled distance?

 

[nascarfan1400]

Yes. Justin Allgaier I believe it was.

Can I have a video of this please? I'm quite curious.

 

[nascarfan1400]

Do you also get upset when they run extra laps over the scheduled distance?

Only when they end under yellow.

It wouldn't bother me of the lead is like 1-2 seconds, but it kind of ruins it when the whole field is 1-2 seconds apart, and it just is over. Ya know?

 

[GTPorsche]

Can I have a video of this please? I'm quite curious.

 

[iRevelationz]

Can I have a video of this please? I'm quite curious.

3:30

Edit: Tree'd

 

[MustangRyan]

All cars had cleared and all that remained was a fender...

This was discussed at length then as well. There was AN ENTIRE BUMPER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TRACK, BEFORE THE START/FINISH LINE. That is the definition of debris on the racing groove.