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Except @MustangRyan mentions that
And how is tyres blowing frequently in a race considered acceptable
2014 NASCAR Thread
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Except @MustangRyan mentions that
And how is tyres blowing frequently in a race considered acceptable
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AB is Anheuser-Busch, the company that makes Budweiser beer.
It seems to me that you don't know how cautions work. They come out when the first car has a problem at the end of a tire run. The first failure triggers the caution, then the other 42 cars come in and get new tires.
If there were no cautions, they would all start blowing out together in groups, or cars would just pit early to prevent flattening the right side of their car.
Even if only one car per stint had a problem, never having green flag stops is definitely indicative of a serious problem with tires.
It seems to me that you don't know how cautions work. They come out when the first car has a problem at the end of a tire run. The first failure triggers the caution, then the other 42 cars come in and get new tires.
If there were no cautions, they would all start blowing out together in groups, or cars would just pit early to prevent flattening the right side of their car.
Even if only one car per stint had a problem, never having green flag stops is definitely indicative of a serious problem with tires.
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When at Atlanta the same car, AJ, was blowing tires causing cautions counts at least twice, so it's not like half the field is cutting tires. The only time it really was bad was Cali
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Nationwide Series practice was cancelled for today due to a little bit of rain.
If that's their idea of "a little" rain, then I'm worried about how they define "heavy rain".
Fun fact: The company name is a combination of two German immigrants responsible for keeping the company alive, Eberhard Anheuser and his son-in-law Adolphus Busch.
Have you even read the pdf's?? Just the 2 races you chose to quote:Except @MustangRyan mentions that
And how is tyres blowing frequently in a race considered acceptable
Martinsville, 14 cautions for 92 laps. [Beneficiary in Brackets] 3-10 (Car #30 Accident Turn 3 [None]); 42-47 (Competition [7]); 104-109 (Car #17 Accident Turn 2 [83]);
115-119 (Car #7, 32, 38 Accident Turn 3 [78]); 171-178 (Car #13 Spin Turn 2 [83]); 201-207 (Car #1, 88 Accident Turn 2 [23]); 220-225 (Car #23 Accident Turn 4 [17]); 232-
237 (Debris In Turn 1 [5]); 251-257 (Car #83 Accident Turn 4 [13]); 316-322 (Car #66 Accident Turn 4 [14]); 341-346 (Car #42 Spin Turn 2 [20]); 350-357 (Debris On
Backstretch [83]); 412-417 (Car #78 Accident Turn 2 [51]); 460-465 (Car #99 Spin Turn 2 [38])
Show me all these accidents are from "tyres blowing" and you have a point, until then, it's inconclusive evidence against Goodyear.
Kansas, 8 cautions for 47 laps. [Beneficiary in Brackets] 48-52 (Car #15 Spin Backstretch [4]); 61-66 (Car #7, 34, 40, 83 Accident Turn 4 [3]); 72-74 (Car #11 Spin
Turn 2 [27]); 111-118 (Car #9 Spin Frontstretch [4]); 151-160 (Car #1 Accident Turn 3 [18]); 181-184 (Car #41 Spin Frontstretch [20]); 188-194 (Car #51, 38, 34, 47, 27, 13
Accident Frontstretch [78]); 204-207 (Car #41 Spin Turn 2 [12]).
5 spins, 3 accidents, again, how many exactly due to a tyre blowing, please?
Kansas is 267 laps, take out those 47 caution laps, that's 8 cautions in 220 laps... 330 miles in a 43 car field, only 8 cautions? with the last 60 laps caution free? I stand corrected, Goodyear isn't doing an adequate job, it's doing a good job, save for maybe 1 or 2 races.
I liked the beginning of your post, not the rest.
cautions aren't always due to tire failures. A spinout or an accident isn't always due to a tire failure.
the safety car is a pace car, it's not a minority report car that prevents future tire blowouts from happening, allowing all "the other 42 cars come in and get new tires." (
), just because one car spun out, for a possibly unknown yet reason.I've heard Darrell Waltrip himself tell that it's tough to say if the blown tire caused the spin or the opposite, but since MustangRyan said spin & accidents = tire blowouts,
to the master and don't you dare question his (lack of) logic!they'd just pit, period, because
a) tire wear out and times drop off, and you're better off losing 30 seconds or more at once to get new tires than 1mn little by little by staying on the track (at which point yeah, you definitely enhance your risk of failures)
b) they'd run out of fuel before running out of tires, and when they do come to pit road, the time it takes to fill the car up is enough to have them change all 4 tires during the refueling process.
I'd like, again, an example of a 2014 Cup race without green flag stops due to "serious tire problems", I see lots of accidents or spins in the pdf's, but no evidence they're (all) from tire failures...
Take the first Richmond race, looking at the thread you'd think there was 20+ cautions in 400 laps, with never any long green flag run, the reality is quite different:
9 cautions for 66 laps. [Beneficiary in Brackets] 2-7 (Car #15, 42 Accident (Turn 1) [None]); 42-46 (Competition [10]); 100-106 (Debris (Frontstretch) [35]);
162-170 (Debris (Turn 2) [41]); 227-238 (Car #36 Accident (Turn 3) [27]); 297-304 (Car #17 Accident (Turn 3) [42]); 369-376 (Debris (Turn 3) [38]); 378-382 (Car #11, 18, 55
Accident (Turn 3) [99]); 386-391 (Car #30 Fluid On Track (Turn 1) [41]).
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Forgot about that one, but it is a flat short track so it's not that much of a surprise.
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I'm just going to assume that you didn't watch any of these races. Did you go back and read the thread where we were posting during the Richmond race? The tires were so predictably terrible that I was able to predict the next blowout within one lap.Have you even read the pdf's?? Just the 2 races you chose to quote:
Martinsville, 14 cautions for 92 laps. [Beneficiary in Brackets] 3-10 (Car #30 Accident Turn 3 [None]); 42-47 (Competition [7]); 104-109 (Car #17 Accident Turn 2 [83]);
115-119 (Car #7, 32, 38 Accident Turn 3 [78]); 171-178 (Car #13 Spin Turn 2 [83]); 201-207 (Car #1, 88 Accident Turn 2 [23]); 220-225 (Car #23 Accident Turn 4 [17]); 232-
237 (Debris In Turn 1 [5]); 251-257 (Car #83 Accident Turn 4 [13]); 316-322 (Car #66 Accident Turn 4 [14]); 341-346 (Car #42 Spin Turn 2 [20]); 350-357 (Debris On
Backstretch [83]); 412-417 (Car #78 Accident Turn 2 [51]); 460-465 (Car #99 Spin Turn 2 [38])
Show me all these accidents are from "tyres blowing" and you have a point, until then, it's inconclusive evidence against Goodyear.
Kansas, 8 cautions for 47 laps. [Beneficiary in Brackets] 48-52 (Car #15 Spin Backstretch [4]); 61-66 (Car #7, 34, 40, 83 Accident Turn 4 [3]); 72-74 (Car #11 Spin
Turn 2 [27]); 111-118 (Car #9 Spin Frontstretch [4]); 151-160 (Car #1 Accident Turn 3 [18]); 181-184 (Car #41 Spin Frontstretch [20]); 188-194 (Car #51, 38, 34, 47, 27, 13
Accident Frontstretch [78]); 204-207 (Car #41 Spin Turn 2 [12]).
5 spins, 3 accidents, again, how many exactly due to a tyre blowing, please?
Kansas is 267 laps, take out those 47 caution laps, that's 8 cautions in 220 laps... 330 miles in a 43 car field, only 8 cautions? with the last 60 laps caution free? I stand corrected, Goodyear isn't doing an adequate job, it's doing a good job, save for maybe 1 or 2 races.
I liked the beginning of your post, not the rest.
cautions aren't always due to tire failures. A spinout or an accident isn't always due to a tire failure.
the safety car is a pace car, it's not a minority report car that prevents future tire blowouts from happening, allowing all "the other 42 cars come in and get new tires." (
I've heard Darrell Waltrip himself tell that it's tough to say if the blown tire caused the spin or the opposite, but since MustangRyan said spin & accidents = tire blowouts,
they'd just pit, period, because
a) tire wear out and times drop off, and you're better off losing 30 seconds or more at once to get new tires than 1mn little by little by staying on the track (at which point yeah, you definitely enhance your risk of failures)
b) they'd run out of fuel before running out of tires, and when they do come to pit road, the time it takes to fill the car up is enough to have them change all 4 tires during the refueling process.
I'd like, again, an example of a 2014 Cup race without green flag stops due to "serious tire problems", I see lots of accidents or spins in the pdf's, but no evidence they're (all) from tire failures...
Take the first Richmond race, looking at the thread you'd think there was 20+ cautions in 400 laps, with never any long green flag run, the reality is quite different:
9 cautions for 66 laps. [Beneficiary in Brackets] 2-7 (Car #15, 42 Accident (Turn 1) [None]); 42-46 (Competition [10]); 100-106 (Debris (Frontstretch) [35]);
162-170 (Debris (Turn 2) [41]); 227-238 (Car #36 Accident (Turn 3) [27]); 297-304 (Car #17 Accident (Turn 3) [42]); 369-376 (Debris (Turn 3) [38]); 378-382 (Car #11, 18, 55
Accident (Turn 3) [99]); 386-391 (Car #30 Fluid On Track (Turn 1) [41]).
Twice.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/2014-nascar-thread.290527/page-105#post-9602094
The tires were lasting about 56 laps at Richmond, which is less than 45 miles. Imagine tires not making it 18 laps at Daytona without exploding.
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I just got two free tickets for the Martinsville Chase race this morning. Hopefully, it isn't as cold and windy as it was for the spring race. A surprise truck race Sunday doubleheader again would be great, though!
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I guess Goodyear brought a different tire for this race after the chaos of the spring race.
Clint Bowyer@ClintBowyer3s
Finally a tire with some character. I think it will produce better racing for y'all. First time I've chased clean track in a long time!
Clint Bowyer@ClintBowyer3s
Finally a tire with some character. I think it will produce better racing for y'all. First time I've chased clean track in a long time!
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Kyle Busch celebrates beating inferior drivers with superior equipment.
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If Kyle Busch focused solely on the Cup series instead of being a pompous jackass by stealing money and trophies from the regulars while driving vastly superior equipment *I know other Cup drivers do it, but Busch is by far the worst offender*, he wouldn't be the most hated driver among fans.
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Kyle focusing just on cup isn't going to make the 18 team perform at the same level as the 54 team when it comes to building the cars at the shop. I really don't think him running in NW races is hampering his performance on the cup side. Maybe it's spoiled him a little bit, and has made him whinier on the cup side but that's it.
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I guarantee that won't do a damn thing to keep people from hating him. As you say, other cup drivers do it as well (Kevin Harvick was by far the worst as he not only did it while driving for RCR, but for his own team as well) and people don't hate them. Kyle is simply this generation's driver to hate. The last one that was the popular one to hate? Jeff Gordon.
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I really hope NASCAR caps the amount of races a driver running for Cup points(excluding rookies) can run in lower tiered series. I think 5 would be more than adequate as you could still have Cup drivers in the lower divisions to get people to watch while at the same time not turning people off by seeing the same two drivers beating lesser drivers on a weekly basis. Plus, most Cup drivers only run a handful of Nationwide races anyways so the only drivers that would really be affected would be Brad and Kyle.
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With an illegal rear end to boot!
http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-me...k-to-r-d-center-nascar-nationwide-series.html
